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ScorpioRising
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posted September 04, 2006 11:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there a way to see which planets are in which house at the moment? And How can one tell when a planet will be in a certain house.

My bf's birthday is 03/26/82-Miami, FL, 4:00 Am. I was wondering when his Saturn would come into 7th house and what that means for him.

Thanks Guys!!!

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ScorpioRising
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posted September 05, 2006 12:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim? Astroleolady?

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astroleolady
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posted September 05, 2006 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroleolady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ScorpioRising,

The current postions of the planets in relation to the natal chart are called Transits.

If you go to www.astro.com extended chart section, you can look up transits for any chosen date in question. Just select "natal chart and transits" for the chart type. And input the date that you want them for. A chart will pop up with the natal planets on the inside wheel and the transiting planets on the outside wheel. If you click on "click to get additional features" a transit grid will also pop up.

Currently, transiting Saturn is just now conjuncting your partner's Descendant. He has transiting Saturn in orb to trine his Moon (separating), oppose his Venus, sextile his Saturn, and oppose his Ascendant. Saturn will be in his 7th until the Fall of 2009 and will venture back into his 7th during the Summer of 2010.

Transiting Saturn in the 7th is a time of concentrating on and limiting one's partners. It's a time of reality, duty, responsibility and seriousness in connection with partners, both business and personal. Some partnerships could end and some could solidify and become more concrete. Saturn represents the structures in our life. He could be more withdrawn during this transit.

Any Saturn transits will stir up 12th issues (the subconscious mind, inner strength) because he has Capricorn on the 12th house cusp.

Hope that helps.

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Kamilla
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posted September 05, 2006 09:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a good article. It refers to Saturn in 7th in natal chart but I thought it might be helpful for understanding the transit as well.

Liz Greene:
The seventh house is traditionally that of marriage and the marriage partner as well as that of open enemies. The characteristics which are valued in others, and which are sought in a partner, are symbolised by this house as well as the characteristics which are possessed by our enemies and through which we are vulnerable to opposition. In the seventh house, the perfect match is represented, the attributes which, when added to the components of the personality of the individual, will round him out and make him whole. The situations which the person is likely to attrat in marriage are also represented here; and some indication of what kind of partner the person himself is likely to be.

We have for a long time accepted a rather superficial interpretation for Libra and its corresponding house; and the psychological mechanism of projection is most clearly and obviously displayed by the traditional meaning assigned to this house of the 'other'. For the other is in the end within oneself; and it is a balance between the male and female halves of the man's own psyche which stands behind his balance with a marriage partner. We seek in others what we are not able to express consciously ourselves; and we also hate in others what we are not able to express. No perfect match with another can create inner wholeness. Marriage as it is reflected by the seventh house is a reality only in proportion to the inner integration of the individual; otherwise, it is a charade, and although this view is apparently a cynical or depressive one, it is possible that it is in fact hopeful because it suggests the possibility of something better than what we see around us. The basic psychological mechanism of projection of the unconscious, transexual half of the psyche - termed by Jung the anima in men and the animus in women - is intimately connected with the qualities of the marriage partner as they are evidenced by the seventh house.

When Saturn is in the seventh house, the opportunity for an inner integration or balancing of opposites is offered, for it is unlikely that the individual will find the qualities he seeks happily expressed by a partner. It is more likely that he will attract to himself situaitons which involve some degree of pain, isolation, rejection, and disappointment until he begins to re-orient himself toward an inner search. This placement is analogous to the coniunctio or mystical marriage of alchemy, which in psychological terms suggests an inner integration which results in a new centre for the psyche and new balance and meaning in life. In alchemical symbolism this marriage is always accompanied by darkness and death previous to the distillation of the elixir; and the darkness which often accompanies a seventh house Saturn is matched only by the brilliance of the gold which is also promised.

The most basic interpretation of Saturn in the seventh house is sorrow, difficulty, or constriction in marriage or other close relationships. Generally these sorrows appear to be the hand of external fate and often do not seem to be connected with any fault in the individual himself. Saturn in this house is frequently in his most elaborate disguise because his action is so completely externalised. It always seems to be the other person's fault. This is characteristic of seventh house planets; and good or bad luck, happiness or unhappiness, appear to come through the agency of the partner or the opponent. We are accustomed to interpreting this house as a symbol of the effects of others upon us without considering that these effects are the direct result of our own inner needs and conflicts projected outward upon others. It is not wholly the partner's shortcomings that are responsible when Saturn in the seventh house does not foster a union of unmitigated bliss.

The restrictions of a seventh house Saturn are often of a very obvious sort. Commonly, isolation or aloneness is one sort of restriction. We may also see the older, more serious partner who, although stable and faithful and perhaps financially solvent as well, dampens and constricts the individual's expression because he does not understand or appreciate his partner's thoughts and dreams. The partner may be ailing or dependent in some way through illness or monetary obligations, thereby becoming a responsibility rather than a companion. Sometimes he is possessive and demanding, or he may bea disappointment simply because he is incompatible, or abandons the individual, or causes hurt through emotional or physical infidelity. In situations of this kind, we are accustomed to assuming that it is the person's bad luck in the choice of a mate. Everything is usually all right at the beginning. It all seems to happen later, after the knot is tied. We may then hear the familiar cry, 'I never realised when I met him...'.

There is much that we know about others at the first moment of contact, for we are as sensitive to the subliminal signals given in a thousand subtle ways by our fellows as the lower kingdoms of nature are to the subtle signals of their environment. But these are intuitive realisations; and they are not often welcome if the inner needs contradict the conscious ideal of what a mate should be. It is invariably the inner needs which are expressed, and which are answered, for like attracts like. The fact that someone later seems to be diferent is due not to bad luck but to a deliberate inner choice which was made at the very beginning. Once again, it is wise to assume some responsibility where Saturn is concerned, for the awareness of these inner needs and the honest sharing of them is very likely to be a prerequisite for happy and productive union when Saturn is found in the seventh house. Although it may at first seem difficult to understand why an individual would choose, consciously or unconsciously, a partner who will hurt, disappoint, or limit him, it is not so difficult to understand that a man may be at war with himself and be compelled by unconscious motives of which he is unaware. His choice of partner is often a reflection of this war.

The consistent thread which runs through the many expressions of Saturn in the seventh house seems to be the successful avoidance of a relationship which might involve real union on all levels instead of merely the physical or emotional. The dangers of dependency or vulnerability are carefully sidestepped by Saturn's action although the man may be unaware that he is doing this on a conscious level. Seen from the viewpoint of the detached observer, relationships formed with a Saturnian influence are often 'safe' in that the partner is himself dependent, weak, needful, and unable to form any kind of threat or support to the individual. The partner may be cold or unfaithful or incapable of establishing a meaningful relationship himself; and this is a neat mechanism for avoiding the effort and responsibility of a fully conscious union while having a scapegoat on whom the failure of the union may be blamed. Saturn in the seventh house does not necessarily describe the failure of marriage because of the failure of the partner; but it often appears this way to the conscious eye of the individual who must project his own inaccessibility onto someone else.

From the point of view of the personality, this mechanism appears to be a depressing one, for it would appear that there is something lying deep within the individual's psyche which will not permit him happiness in union. This is true, but is only depressing when seen out of context. What is really implied is that happiness in union is not possible unless the union is based upon values other than the ordinary superficial ones of appearance, financial status, emotional dependency, and social pleasure; for these causes carry with them inevitably the seeds of failure if Saturn is in the seventh house. He often palces great emphasis on the formal structure of marriage while managing to avoid the inner exchange of which the formal structure is the symbol. Saturn in the seventh house tends to symbolise a rather painful arrangement because of the ensuing loneliness. But in the end, the thing which is sought is inner integration, an inner marriage, and inner wholeness rather than deendency upon another person for the centre of one's psychic life. From the point of view of the self, the total psyche rather than of the personality, Saturn placed here offers a great opportunity. There is no suggestion of the necessity of a lonely life; there is rather the inner push to understand the deeper levels of union, the psychic fact of which marriage is a symbol, and the kind of true relationship which stems from two people who have centres of their own and are therefore free consciously to choose.

Patterns of hurt and rejection are common with Saturn in the seventh house. There is often much talk of giving, for Saturn often plays the martyr; yet it is frequently found that the individual who compains the most about having given so much with so little reward has in reality given little that does not have a condition attached. He is frightened of being alone; yet he is equally frightened that he will be hurt; so he tries to follow both these impulses, and establishes relationships into which his inner self does not enter. Often Saturn will overcompensate; and instead of being the one who is consistently abandoned, he will play the Don Juan figure - of either sex - and give the impression of being hard, callous, and unfeeling. This is very rarely the true inner nature of Saturn; but it is one of his most frequent masks. He is more likely to be morbidly sensitive underneath his armour, so he will seek safety rather than the possible pain of a union which might end in his rejection. Sacrificing love for safety, which he often calls duty, he may believe that he has made an advantageous choice and then finds he cannot extricate himself when the enormity of his sacrifice becomes clear to him. The man with Saturn in the seventh house who attempts to make a partnership a material affair generally finds that he must pay a higher price than he intended. This is often the case when Saturn's inclination toward truth and dispelling of illusory values is blocked. It is not necessary to postulate the idea of hell after death when one has glimpsed the inner hell of loneliness which is often the companion of this attempt to distort Saturn's energies.

Saturn in an angular house suggests that events, and direct contacts with others, are involved in the working out of the process of inner discovery. In the seventh, this is apparent in that the marriage partner becomes either a source of suffering or a source of great opportunity for mutual growth. This choice is free to the individual; but he must first realise that he has a choice; if he does not, it is not his bad karma which has brought him suffering, but simply ignorance.

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ScorpioRising
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posted September 05, 2006 06:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much guys! COuld saturn in 7th mean marriage for us? or a Break up? I would really appreciate any light you guys could shed on this for me!

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posted September 05, 2006 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroleolady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio,

Modern astrology really isn't about exact prediction, but more about possibilities and potentials.

There is potential in his chart for a business and/or a personal relationship to have a break up and/or to become more serious with a deeper commitment. That doesn't necessarily mean a marriage will occur though.

He will be looking at and evaluating his current business and personal relationships to see if they will continue to fit in with how he is currently structuring his life. The ones of value he will keep and the ones that he determines not to be, he will remove. Saturn transits feel like a testing time. They can be quite frustrating.

His free will and fate will, along with yours, will determine what exactly will come to light.

Good luck to you both.

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posted September 05, 2006 07:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Astroleolady. His mother (capricorn) and I clash, and he often is stuck between...I wonder what this means with this transit.

Everyone feel free to jump in please. This saturn 7th house transit is making me fear for our relationship...

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posted September 06, 2006 10:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*worry bump*

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posted September 06, 2006 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroleolady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio,

Here's some online information for you regarding Saturn transits:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/transitsSaturn18.4.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/saturntransits.html

All I can suggest is to not worry about this transit. That's easier said than done though. Saturn is going to be in his 7th house for a few years, a long time, so if you worry it's not going to do you any good mentally or physically.

Fighting with his mom does put him in the middle, so try to avoid that as much as possible.

Try and keep things light for now... tread water so to speak.

In reality, in the end, what's going to happen is going to happen. All you can do is try your best to keep the relationship happy and productive from your end. Hopefully, he'll do the same.

Best wishes.

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