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Azalaksh
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posted September 23, 2006 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Liz Greene, “The Astrological Neptune and the Quest for Redemption” --
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Neptune in the 7th House

When Neptune appears in the 7th house, the dream of Paradise becomes the vision of perfect union, in which the individual can be contained, nourished and unconditionally loved forever. This vision is not always conscious. Many individuals, in whom the rational functions are strong, remain unaware of such expectations, and will vehemently disclaim any such need. Nevertheless the pattern enacts itself according to the ancient myth, experienced through projection. The watery bliss of Eden may then appear as the suffocating maw of the big fish, since both are dimensions of Neptune; and the familiar cry may be heard of not wanting to be devoured by a needy and dependent partner. Confusion is an appropriate word to describe the paradoxical feelings Neptune in the 7th reflects in relationship. The confusion springs from the individual's unconscious quest for redemption through and by others.

With Neptune in the 7th, the search for the redeemer may be literally enacted. Neptune in the 7th can be predisposed to marrying a parental surrogate, mother-father in one, who after a time begins to devour like the big fish; then the redeemer appears as a lover who, often creative but wounded by life, needs saving and offers salvation at the same time. The two fish are thus divided, like Asherah and Lotan, and the individual projects both. Equally often, the partner or spouse is a victim. In "saving" such a partner lies the hope of one's own redemption. Neptune in the 7th may thus play the "strong" partner to a weak mate—the alcoholic, the drug addict, the individual with serious emotional problems—thereby avoiding the reality of one's own weakness and fragility. But if one encounters someone stronger, then the little child emerges, and the apparent strength collapses, revealing the chaos and vulnerability beneath. Neptune in the 7th is not doomed to disappointing relationships, nor condemned by "karma" to relinquish them altogether. But the individual may evidence a marked reluctance to face the issues involved. The difficulties caused by a 7th house Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or Chiron may also begin with projection; every planet in the 7th house usually does. But once it becomes apparent that a pattern is at work, the individual is usually willing to explore what is really going on. Not so with Neptune, which cannot bear too bright a light.

The individual who seeks redemption in the arms of another may also play the lover, cheerfully breaking up other people's relationships in the name of "saving" the poor man or woman who is trapped with such a terrible partner. Or he or she may be the deceived spouse. Neptune in the 7th house enjoys triangles. Behind the noble salvation of other lost souls lies a hungry child, who wants nothing less than everything from a partner, yet who may be unwilling to face the enormity of such needs, nor the despair of not having them met. Help may lie in a stronger relationship with Saturn, whose realism can reveal one's own manipulative ploys as well as providing the self-sufficiency necessary to find Eden somewhere other than in one's partner. Neptune in the 7th may be a gifted counsellor, or a minister to the needs of others; and this is perhaps a more appropriate vehicle for the expression of the mythic redeemer in human relationship. But there can be no healing, of self or of others, as long as the unconscious infant bedecks mortals in immortal garb.

Neptune in the 7th may be addicted to the pursuit of the unobtainable, for the glamour and elusiveness of what we cannot have promises endless possibilities of salvation. Once we have established a flesh-and-blood relationship, Neptune cannot sustain its idealisations. This dynamic often lies behind the propensity to select the beloved from the ranks of the already married or the sexually disinclined, or even from the ranks of the priesthood. It may also fuel the self-destructive impulse which impels many people with Neptune in the 7th to eschew all hope of a happy relationship, suffering in an unhappy one because one might earn one's reward in some distant future before, or even after, death. The inclination toward self-sacrifice so often displayed with Neptune in the 7th may conceal very murky waters. Ultimately the sacrifice required may not be personal fulfillment, but rather, identification with the redeemer and the redeemed.

With Neptune in the 7th, we need to experience its longings, aspirations and magic through others. Perhaps we also need Neptunian people around us. Attraction to those of an artistic or mystical persuasion may not be the same as attraction to the psychological infant who mirrors our own infantility. As our own internal balance grows, our attractions change, although the archetypal core remains the same. The 7th house is also not limited to the intimacy of a spouse or lover. It is sometimes called the house of the public, because it reflects our entry into the world of others and our ways of interacting with them. Planets placed in any angular house tend to find their expression through events and people. Neptune in the 7th depends upon others to unfold its story, for we require our mirrors to be literal. All of the characters in Neptune's drama—devouring oceanic mother, divine redeemer, and suffering victim—are usually projected, at one time or another during the course of life. Other people generally belong to one of these three groups, and anything in between tends not to be noticed. Society, too, can be divided according to this triad, for Neptune in the 7th may display strong political inclinations. Neptunian idealisations may be expressed primarily in public life, and may confer not only the ability to sense the needs and sufferings of the collective, but also a remarkable blindness to one's own aspirations to power.

It is important for those with Neptune in the 7th, who choose to move in such an arena, to be honest about the degree of subjectivity involved in their perceptions of society. The Neptunian leader may easily become the Neptunian victim, torn apart—metaphorically or even physically—by the crowd. An interesting example of this in the modern world is Erich Honecker, the Marxist leader of East Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall. Honecker's chart reveals Neptune conjunct the Descendant, 3 degrees from the cusp. Although technically in the 6th house, any planet this close to the Descendant will be expressed through the 7th. Initially Honecker saw himself, and was perceived, as the saviour of the East German people. By the time the Wall was dismantled at the end of 1989, he had become the scapegoat of the people, for his methods were identical with those of the fascist powers he had so virulently opposed. His self-blindness is characteristic of the darker side of Neptune; for he became the very thing he hunted, and was the destroyer of that which he sought to save.

Perceiving others through the lens of Neptune's longing is an ambiguous gift. It can reflect remarkable sensitivity to the pulse of the world "out there," as well as to those individuals with whom one comes in close contact. Such responsiveness can be expressed in many creative and healing ways. But Neptune's suffering through others, when placed in the 7th, is largely self-created. It arises from a mixture of idealised fantasies, infantile needs, and the nature of the people whom one calls upon to participate in one's drama. Disillusionment with others is the natural product of a 7th house Neptune. It is the individual's capacity to deal with this disillusionment, through sufficient recognition of one's own and others' limits, which determines whether or not Neptune in the 7th will create a life of victimisation or of rich and rewarding relationships. Neptune is never content with prosaic interaction. The glory of the theatre must infuse life, for all the world is a stage and Neptune in the 7th is the chief actor. No solution will be found by suppressing Neptune's longing, for it will merely enter through the back door, and appear in one's partner or in an ungrateful public who have turned against their idol. Perhaps the secret lies in allowing others to be both mythic and human at the same time.


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posted September 23, 2006 11:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you.

I think a lot of it rings true from when I was younger.

I especially can relate to the "putting someone on a pedestal" part. I did this with an aries male most of my life. It was a long process, but I finally see he isn't who I thought, and that he isn't what I want in a lover. I still care for him as a person, but I'm over him.

I think I've gotten a hold on it now, but of course one must always remember past mistakes in order to not repeat history.

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posted September 24, 2006 02:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhh Ive got this too. And it's conjunct my Venus in Sag also in the 7th, and involved in a T square - square Moon in Pisces, and square Saturn in Virgo. All I can say is that this sucks.

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posted September 25, 2006 09:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aza - does Liz G have an interpretation for Neptune in 5th house? Thanks

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posted September 25, 2006 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Liz Greene's Neptune book. I loved it. It's very psychological.

One of the things that I would like to add about Neptune in 7th is...well..she talks about how the partner could have psychological problems,but...I would also say that it could just be a partner who has a history of special needs(Autism,Aspergers,Dyspraxia,Dyslexia,AD/HD,Sensory integration disorder,as well as learning disabilities,certain syndromes and disabilities like Down Syndrome,Fragile X,Williams,Turner's Syndrome as well as things like dwarfism). Also..keep in mind that psychological problems and special needs conditions have significant overlap. The difficulties of having these special needs conditions can lead to psychological problems. I know this personally.


My mother has Neptune in 5th,and she has a child with history of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and special education. That's me. Her 5th/12th house ruler Venus squares Neptune,and my father had those issues.

My girlfriend has Neptune sextile Moon in 7th house..so Neptune influences 7th house. She has Venus sesiquadrate Neptune. She had an exbf that had history of special education. Of course, I have history of special education,Dyslexia,and Dyspraxia.


Neptune could be something that requires more understanding and compassion as well which evokes sympathy from others. The conditions themselves could lead to the people with special needs to acquire understanding and compassion for others..especially for the underdogs,downtrodden,unfortunate. The conditions that I speak of are often are misunderstood,misdiagnosed as well as lead to victimization. Many special needs people get bullied. For instance, if a Dyspraxic child is so uncoordinated that he can't control his body movements. Other children might pick on him and beat him up,knowing that he can't defend himself well. A special education child can be called "retard" by regular school children. A Dyslexic child can be teased by fellow students for making too many mistakes during reading class.

Now imagine these same people being:

one's relationship partner or lover--Neptune in 7th,Venus-Neptune

being one's parents---Neptune in 4th/10th house axis or Sun-Moon aspecting Neptune

being one's employee,coworker---Neptune in 6th

being one's child,romantic lover/partner----Neptune in 5th

being one's boss---Neptune in 10th

being one's teacher---Neptune in 9th

being one's sibling,relative,neighbor,student---Neptune in 3rd

being one's friend---Neptune in 11th

being one's sexual partner,the one that money is loaned/loaned from, cause of death---Neptune in 8th
(Kip Kinkel who shot his parents and killed students in Oregon was Dyslexic with developmental issues. The Colombine shooters were taking medication for AD/HD...many of the children in school shootings were on Ritalin or other AD/HD medication...I also read about Lee Harvey Oswald being Dyslexic,and he's the one that assassinated President John F. Kennedy)

being in prison,institutions,hospitals,mentally ill,using drugs,keeping themselves secret(being in the closet)---Neptune in 12th

Here is stuff about Learning Disabilities/Pyschological Problems
http://ldpride.net/emotions.htm http://www.jiacam.org/0101/Jiacam05_1_7.pdf http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlPrinter=true&xmlFilePath=journals/ij mh/vol1n2/learning.xml http://www.helpguide.org/mental/learning_disabilities.htm http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=734 http://www.dyslexia.co.il/gilda/article5.html http://www.ldanatl.org/aboutld/adults/social_emotional/adult_emotional.asp http://ldonline.org/article/5998?theme=print http://www.dyslexiaonline.com/information/syndrome.html

Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia (#49) http://www.interdys.org/servlet/compose?section_id=5&page_id=79

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posted September 25, 2006 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala

Lizzie's book just poppin up all over...
I am still trying to understand it....Neptune is elusive....
Neptune in the 10th..conjunct Mars and MC
and yes, I am the boss.

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posted September 26, 2006 01:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus: My nephew and niece are autistic and I often fear my child will be too. What you say makes a hell of a lot of sense...people overlook diseases such as these.

I never knew that about the columbine and other cases you've presented. Do you think it was the drugs(very neptunian) or the illnesses - both?

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posted November 30, 2019 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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