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Glaucus
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posted September 26, 2006 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Marcia Stark is a Medical Astrology,and she has has a section for AD/HD,but I wasn't convinced. Both examples had other problems.


Her books is MEDICAL ASTROLOGY Healing for the 21st Century

Psychological factors
Children who are hyperactive have difficulty concentrating in school and therefore are underachievers. This creates low self esteem which they may carry throughout their lives. They often get into trouble with teachers due to their impulsiveness,which contributes to poor relationships as they grow older. Often their parents have these same symptoms and have not given them boundaries,or sufficient ways to discipline themselves and focus their energy.

Astrological Patterns
Uranus may be angular or making hard aspects to Mercury,Mars,or Juptier which rules the liver. Saturn and Uranus are often in hard aspect in longitude or declination. Uranus is the rebellious energy breaking out of a mold. Saturn is boundaries or restrictions. The signs Aquarius,Gemini,and Sagittarius are often prominent. Hard aspects from Mercury to Mars and Mercury to Uranus as well as hard aspects from Uranus to the Sun or Moon,are frequently seen.

Midpoints
Of the specific health midpoints,Sun/Moon,Saturn/Neptune,Mars/Saturn,,Mars/Uranus,and Mars/Neptune are used.

I have:
Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint - '17
Sun semisquare Mars/Uranus midpoint - '15
Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint - '13

Other midpoints to look at are:

Mercury/Uranus----refers to the spinal cord and disturbances and of equilibrium,which impact the neurological system.


Sun/Uranus---indicates rhythmic functions of the cells and body and relates to the nervous system

Saturn/Uranus---indicates irritability and inhibition,as well as tension in the body. It can refer to blockages in the heart.

I have North Node oppose Saturn/Uranus midpoint

Often Mercury/Uranus equals an important point in the chart such as the nodes,Pluto,or the ascendant. Mars/Uranus often equals another planet or an angle.


The young man has learning disabilities,history of intensive speech therapy in high school,and has trouble finding the correct words when he begins to speak. Those are the same problems that I have which are Dyslexic-related. I had intensive speech therapy in 3 yrs of special education in early elementary school. and I can have trouble finding correct words when I speak. Of course,was diagnosed with auditory form of Dyslexia and developmental coordination disorder at 4 yrs old. Some say George Bush is Dyslexic because he has those word retrieval issues when he speaks.
The young man has Mercury-Venus in Pisces square Moon-Neptune in Sagittarius squared retrograde 3rd house ruler Saturn in Gemini. I have something similar. I have Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune Sagittarius in 3rd. I also have Mercury-Venus-Neptune parallel that is contraparallel Saturn. I also have Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint

March 2, 1978
10:32 PM
Bronx, New York


The young girl had a lot of ear infections between the ages of one and three,and was given many antibiotics. Her hearing was affected,and she ended up having surgery on her ear drum when she was about two and half. She also had a speech problem,but after some speech therapy, she is fine and reads well. She is noted to having a short attention span,but becomes totally absorbed when watching television. Those could be connected to Dyslexia too. A lot of Dyslexics have a history of ear infections and speech problems that required speech therapy. I had a severe infection when I was 3 months old that required me to be taken to hospital. I had a history of auditory problems including turning things around when I heard them and also needed people to slow down when talking to me. I also had speech therapy. The girl has Moon square Uranus-Neptune conjunction. She has Saturn oppose Mars in Virgo in 3rd. I have Saturn oppose a planet in 3rd house like her. As for her reading well. That can be a bit vague. Maybe she decodes(sounds out when looking at them--that's phonological processing--phonics is for) words well,but maybe has problems remembering what she reads. I definitely have problems remembering what I read. The Vetern Affairs neurologist that examined me told me that it's because of my auditory processing deficits. He also told me that my slow saccadic eye movements could cause me to have problems reading too. The girl's short attention span could be from auditory processing deficit. After all, she does have history of ear infections which could adversely affected her auditory processing. Auditory Processing Disorders are often misdiagnosed as AD/HD.

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Pasadena,California

As you see, I am not convinced of her ADD examples. She is not distinguishing Dyslexia and other related conditions from ADD. Her examples have other conditions including speech problems,learning disabilities, Only 2 examples is not enough to show me ADD indicators. She says that poor diet is contributing to the ADD problem which didn't appear until the 1970's. That's not true. ADD was known by other names like Minimal Brain Dysfunction. Ritalin was a drug that was a medication used before 1970. My uncle was hyperactive and he was recommended to take medication,and this was before I was born in 1971. He was in special education for his speech problems and hyperactivity.
I believe Marcia Starck needs to go back to the drawing board and do more astrological research. I also feel that she needs to read up about Dyslexia and auditory processing disorders as well as ADD. Marcia Starck in her medical astrology book said that Pallas figures into Dyslexia and learning disorders,but she also said bipolar disorders too. Also she seemed to focus Dyslexia as a visual disorder when most Dyslexics have phonological,auditory processing problems. I wonder where she gets her Dyslexia info.
She focus on ADD as hyperactivity and impulsivity. Hyperactivity and impulsivity aren't necessary for a diagnosis of ADD. Inattentiveness is also. Today, the DSM-IV-TR has 3 types of ADHD. There is ADHD inattentive type,ADHD hyperactive type,and ADHD combined type. ADHD inattentive type is inattentiveness issues without hyperactivity. ADHD hyperactive type is hyperactivity/impulsivity issues without inattentiveness. I was diagnosed as having ADHD inattentive type at the age of 32 in 2004.

Many AD/HDers tend to be highly sensitive(sensory integration issues are common) and very emotional too. AD/HD symptoms tend to overlap with bipolar. I was diagnosed Bipolar myself before diagnosed as having AD/HD. There is a significant comorbidity of those 2 conditions. Many of them self medicate with drugs and alcohol as well as get in trouble with the law. I feel that I have come from an AD/HD family on my mom's side,and there is heavy drug and alcohol use in that family. A lot of potheads in my family. Also my father had Dyslexic,Dyspraxic characteristics and he had drug problems himself. He might have had AD/HD. The inattentive types tend to come across as spacy,daydreaming types. This seems more Neptune to me. I have found some people who were diagnosed as having ADD to have strong hard Neptune aspects as well as Mercury-Neptune theme..even Neptune in 3rd which I have. Marcia Starck's own ADD examples have strong hard Neptune aspects. They both have Moon-Neptune aspects like me. I find that in learning disabled too. Some believe that AD/HD is a learning disability too. Learning disabilities and AD/HD tend to be comorbid. Some studies show that 40 percent of Dyslexics have AD/HD. Dr. Levinson believes that 90 percent of Dyslexics have AD/HD and 90 percent of AD/HDers have Dyslexia. Therefore,he believes that Dyslexia and AD/HD are 2 sides of the same coin and linked to cerebellar vestibular dysfunction. He didn't believe that I have AD/HD. He didn't prescribe medication for AD/HD.

Novelty seeking gene,DRD4 7R has been connected to the hunter trait that is AD/HD. Thom Hartmann believes that the problems that AD/HDers have are actually traits that hunters used. It was my reading his books that made me stop believing that AD/HD is a disorder that needs to be medicated but just an alternative way of being and thinking. He believes that educational reform is strongly needed. He believes that the school teaching doesn't match the learning style of Hunter types. He calls normal people Farmer types. He even made a point that the educational/grading system we have is factory worker-based. He noted that a lazy,uncaring auditory sequential style teacher came up with the concept of grades which are based on the factory working system. This made it easier to teach so many students and spend less time with them. Before his invention, it was just pass and fail. Teachers had small classes and were very close to their students and adjusted to their learning styles. Today, teachers don't do that. They don't see that there is anything wrong with their teaching. They view that there is something wrong with the student. Teaching is mainly auditory sequential,and visual spatial learners have trouble learning from that style of teaching. I am definitely one of them.

Thom Hartmann has authored in the area of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADD or ADHD) and adult attention-deficit disorder (AADD) and he is the creator (first proposed by him in 1978, first published nationally in 1992) of the now well-known hunter vs. farmer theory - that ADD is an expected evolutionary adaptation to hunting lifestyles. These individuals have the ability to rapidly shift their focus and external attention and to hold multiple trains of thought. This causes difficulties when they must live and work in cultures in which "farming" - well-planned, predictable, organized and repetitive behaviours are typical. Hartmann has established specialized schools for children with [AD/HD].
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann

As you see, I wouldn't necessarily connect AD/HD to being a disorder caused by diet,nutrition,health problems.


Here is his site..it has articles and message board. The scientists discovery of DRD4 7R gene has strongly supported his Hunter Theory about AD/HD www.thomhartmann.com/home-add.shtml


here is the scientific article
Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Related To Advantageous Gene
The researchers found 56 variations, or alleles (al-LEELEs) of a gene called DRD4, which produces the receptor for dopamine, a neurotransmitter. One allele, known as 7R, was strongly associated with ADHD. By analyzing the variations in DRD4, they also found that the 7R allele was created recently and may have provided an evolutionary advantage at some time in human history. The study could not determine, however, if that evolutionary selection is still occurring. www.sciencedaily.com/release...4512.htm

If DRD4 7R gene is an advantageous gene,then why is ADHDers need to be fixed by medication or cutting out certain foods? It doesn't make sense to me.


Dyslexic/Autistic, Ronald D. Davis has a unique way of viewing AD/HD which he believes if connected to Dyslexia. He wrote the book,the GIFT OF DYSLEXIA and is founder of an
international Dyslexia organization. He states that:

"Disorientation and distorted perceptions do more than create symptoms
of dyslexia. The dyslexic or A.D.D. child uses disorientation for
entertainment; he may be disoriented for hours on end creating the
imaginary world he plays in.

What we accept as reality is what we experience. The way we realize an
experience is that we perceive it. Reality, then, is what we perceive
it to be. When disorientation occurs, perception becomes distorted. A
person who is disoriented experiences a reality that is not being
experienced by others—a false, or alternate, reality.

Because of their frequent disorientation, many dyslexic or A.D.D.
individuals do not learn the basic lessons of life. Cause and effect
do not exist in the disorienting child's imaginary, alternate reality
world. Thus, the child never learns the concept of consequence.

Additionally, the child is also experiencing a distorted sense of
time. A minute can be a very long time or very short— but it is never
the same. A person who experiences time uniformly can develop an
inherent sense of how long it takes a minute to go by. Most children
have an awareness of the passage of time by age five; by age seven,
they can sense the passage of five minutes. But the disorienting child
doesn't experience the passage of time uniformly, and so does not
develop an inherent sense of the passage of time at all, even as a
teenager or adult.

With an inherent sense of time, we will also develop an inherent sense
of sequence. That is, we understand the way things follow each other
one after another.

If we have time and sequence, we will also develop an inherent sense
of order as opposed to disorder. But without the sense of time, we can
never progress to understanding sequence or order."


Although ADD and impaired balance/coordination/rhythm were recognized by many experts to be present in patients with Dyslexia or Learning Disabilities, Dr. Levinson was the first to discover that dyslexia or LD and ADD all stem from one and the same inner-ear (cerebellar-vestibular) dysfunction.

Clearly, if ADD symptoms occur in 90% of dyslexics characterized by only inner-ear neurological signs diagnostic of an inner-ear dysfunction, and respond favorably to medications and therapy which improve only inner-ear functioning — then both dyslexia and ADD are mere reflections of a common inner-ear impairment. They're just two sides of the same "coin."


The following is THE EVERYTHING PARENT'S GUIDE TO CHILDREN WITH DYSLEXIA
by Abigail Marshall:

The letters ADD are commonly used to refer to Attention Deficit
Disorder-Inattentive Type; whereas ADHD refers to Attention Deficit
with Hyperactivity. Both patterns of attention deficits are very
common among children with dyslexia. Also, it is very common among
children with dyslexia. Also, it is very common for children with
dyslexia to be misdiagnosed as having ADD because of symptoms that
are common to both conditions.

A child with dyslexia is twice as likely as other children to
have ADD; about 15 percent of students with reading problems are
also diagnosed with ADD. Conversely, a child with ADD is twice as
likely to have difficulties with reading about 36 percent of
children with ADD also have Dyslexia.


It is not clear why it is so common for children to have both ADD
and reading problems. Of course, ADD child will find it difficult to
learn if she cannot focus attention in classroom, but it is more
likely that there is a common set of learning traits to both
conditions. Some educators believe that, like dyslexia, ADD stems
from a predominantly right-brained learning style. Like dyslexia,
ADD is often seen in highly creative individuals and is common in
gifted children. In many ways, the symptoms of ADD may be the result
of an overactive mind and an unharnessed imagination.


1. Fails to pay close attention to details or makes careless
mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities
2. Has difficulty holding attention in tasks or play activities.
3. Does not seem to listen when spoken to directly
4. Does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish
schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (not because he is
rebelling or has not understood instructions)
5. Has difficulty organizing tasks and activities.
6. Avoids or dislikes tasks that require sustained mental effort
(such as schoolwork or homework).
7. Loses things necessary for tasks or activities (e.g. toys, school
assignments, pencils, books, or tools).
8. Is easily distracted by extraneous external stimuli.
9. Is forgetful in daily activities.

However, each of the above symptoms is also a common characteristic
of dyslexia. Your child's academic and language processing
difficulties will simply make it difficult for him to sustain
attention, follow instructions, or complete schoolwork. Thus you
should be careful before accepting a diagnosis of "inattentive" type
ADHD. In some cases, a mistaken diagnosis can lead to delays in
getting help or special tutoring to address reading problems.
Studies show that medication commonly prescribed for AD/HD do not
help children learn academic skills.

HYPERACTIVITY-IMPULSIVITY TYPE

The second type of ADHD, Hyperactivity-impulsivity type, is more
distinct from dyslexia. According to DSM-IV, it is diagnosed when
the child has six or more of the following symptoms.

1. Fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat.
2. Does not stay in seat in classroom or in other situations in
which remaining seated is expected
3. Runs around or climbs excessively in situations in which it is
inappropriate (in adolescents, may be limited to subjective feelings
of restlessness).
4. Has difficulty playing or engaging in leisure activities quietly.
5. Is often "on the go" or often acts if "driven by a motor"
6. Talks excessively
7. Blurts out answers before questions have been completed.
8. Has difficulty awaiting turn.
9. Interrupts or intrudes on others (e.g.,butts into conversations
or games).

Many of these behaviors may also be a result of the learning
problems associated with dyslexia. A child who is frustrated or
confused in classroom will have a hard time sitting still or obeying
rules. Again, it is important for you to consider the content
surrounding the observed behavior.

by Abigail
Marshall


I honestly feel that neurodivergent conditions are too hard to pin down and are often misunderstood. A lot of us don't want to be fixed but like who we are but need special help to help us live productive lives. Even that special help is hard to pin down and varies.
Seeing the big picture would definitely help with understanding neurodiverse conditions and prevent misdiagnoses. We can recognize the positive influences of the outerplanet energies and not the negative influences of the outerplanet energies.


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posted September 26, 2006 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for posting this info, Glaucus! My 10yo son was diagnosed ADHD 5 years ago. The first list of 9 items fits him perfectly: "yes" to every one. I don't see any hard Uranus aspects (except a wide-ish Moon opp). I haven't checked all the midpoints you listed, or declinations, but if you would like to have a look at his chart for any clues, or similarities to your own, here it is:
http://www.geocities.com/azalaksh/astro/CJ.transits.chart.09-26-06.gif

Thanks again!
Zala

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posted September 27, 2006 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You rock Raymond
Really exellent work!
Thanks for posting that

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WoW 'Zala!... Your Son and my Son have very similar charts! Same year for sure, but the day is close too, I'm sure...but, house placements are just about identical!
Don't have anything to give as far as this strings topic but, your Son's chart got the 'double take' reaction out of me, at first.

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quote:
hunter vs. farmer theory - that ADD is an expected evolutionary adaptation to hunting lifestyles. These individuals have the ability to rapidly shift their focus and external attention and to hold multiple trains of thought. This causes difficulties when they must live and work in cultures in which "farming" - well-planned, predictable, organized and repetitive behaviours are typical. Hartmann has established specialized schools for children with [AD/HD].

Interesting!!

Thanks for posting this stuff.

How do you control and curtail ADHD and its symptoms?

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posted September 27, 2006 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala,

His Stellium Sun-Mercury-Mars conjunction in Aries in 9th house is indicator of being very passionate,fiery,energetic as well as restless. Their dispositor Mars is trine Pluto,and that aspect indicates being very energetic and intense activity.

Moon conj Ascendant in Leo is very emotionally expressive and can dramatize emotions. It's trined my Sun-Mercury conjunction. This indicates that communication and expressing feelings can be very easy for him. The fire trine is very passionate,dynamic expression.

His Sun conj Mercury is conjunct within 2 degrees. That's a Mercury combust. It can indicate a high degree of nervous energy that can lead to mental burnout. That conjunction is oppose Chiron,and that can indicate expression,communications that are maverick,holistic oriented,and outside the box. There could be possible wounds,pain from others because he doesn't fit in. Definitely a sign of a "one of a kind" unique person. He could end up in the healing arts.

Uranus conj Neptune in 6th indicates that there can be problems with daily routine and organization due to the unconventional,erratic nature(Uranus) as well as nebulous,confusing(Nature). This could point to somebody that has a strong dislike for anything routine. Uranus conj Neptune in 6th can also indicate unusual health problems that are hard to pin down and misdiagnosed. There could also be unusual disturbances in digestive system and oversensitive digestive system. Medications could have adverse affects due to the hypersensitvity of the digestive system and may require a smaller than normal dosage. Uranus conj Neptune in 6th might have job instability and confusion. There could be a chance that he could end up self employed so he can utilize his innovativeness and creativity in his work. He does have Sun-Mercury oppose Chiron for thinking outside the box.

Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,and AD/HDers share disorganization in common. I have Dyslexia,and Dyspraxia,and I tend to be disorganized. Messy desks is typical of me. hahahahaa
I have Uranus-Neptune influence in 6th house like your son. Aquarius is on my 6th house cusp with Mars in Aquarius in 6th house conjunct Moon in Pisces in 6th,and that conjunction is square Neptune in 3rd. I also have the hypersensitivity to medications and misdiagnoses. I definitely have a history of employment issues too.


Do you think that he really has AD/HD or do you think that he's just gifted,creative and just doesn't fit in the norm? Do you think he might have a learning disability like Dyslexial. A lot of AD/HD and Learning Disabled are gifted too. They can have very uneven grades and test scores. They can be mistaken for average because their giftedness masks their learning disabilities and ADHD. Their disabilities mask their giftedness. A real paradox. I am personally that way myself.

May I have his birthdata.
I want to check his declinations and midpoints.

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posted September 27, 2006 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How to control AD/HD and it's symptoms. Well..I don't believe in medicating it. That's for sure. I believe that discipline,willpower,structure helps...depends on the person though. I also feel that it's good to pursue careers that fit with your AD/HD traits and not try to be something that others want you to be. Some artists are forced to be doctors by parents. That's an example.

Some believe that AD/HD,Dyslexia,and Dyspraxia are connected to Omega 3 fatty acid deficiencies. Fish oil,cod liver oil,or flaxseed oil might help your brain process better.


High degree of energy can be channeled into sports,dancing,Martial Arts,and other activities that involve movement.

I don't think that I need medication to help me focus and concentrate.I might be ADD when I am doing deskwork, but I am definitely not ADD when it comes to massage therapy. I feel that it is because I hate deskwork. I hate routine work. A lot of it has to do with reading and organizing things which many Dyslexics and Dyspraxics have problems
with. While I can use my sensitivity,3-D visualization,and thinking outside the box ability for massage therapy and astrology

I just have to do what makes me happy. I should use my strengths in my work.

My ultrasensitivity was a liability in the navy, but it's an asset in the holistic health field and metaphysical field.


A lot of people that are bored with certain subjects have problems focusing enough to learn about the subject,and so that
doesn't mean that they are ADD. I don't want to learn Freudian Psychology,and so I would have problems focusing and concentrating. I
love Jungian Psychology,and I can really focus and concentrate. I will hyperfocus and I will read things over and over again until I get into my long term memory. After all, many Dyslexics and Dyspraxics have
problems with short term memory,but Dyslexics short term memory is mainly about poor short term memory for words and sequences.

A lot of people are bored in mainstream schools because many teachers can seem boring,and they might thrive in alternative schools. That's pretty much me. That's why I went to massage therapy school,and I just
did the certificate program. I didn't do the associates degree program because I didn't want to do the general ed stuff that included Algebra and College English. I finished wih B average and perfect attendance. Some people might be bored in mainstream schools
because they are visual spatial learners,but teachers are teaching in auditory sequential style. That's pretty much me too.


Studies show that many gifted people are misdiagnosed as AD/HD because they are often bored because things aren't stimulating enough for them. Creative people can get misdiagnosed as AD/HD because they might
find school dull because teachers don't teach anything that appeals to their imagination.

MEDICAL ASTROLOGY has alternative treatments for ADHD. I will type that up and post later.

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TREATMENTS FOR ADD

1.Avoid any chemical additives in foods,pesticide sprayed vegetables and fruits,sugar,and sweeteners. Avoid hot spicy foods that tend to aggravate liver heat.

2. Avoid fluorescent lighting and household chemicals used for cleaning.

3. Eat a balanced diet with emphasis on whole grains for B complex vitamins,and dark green vegetables for their natural chlorophyll,which is the magnesium ion.

4. Use chelation therapy get rid of heavy metals such as mercury,cadmium,lead,and aluminum

5. Ozone treatments are very helpful for clearing the liver and getting rid of toxic material.

6. Supplementation with important minerals and nutritional factors in is very important. In research with ADD children, deficiencies in the essential fatty acids and in zinc were common.

7. Acupuncture and magnet therapy are helpful. Certain acupuncture points work to calm the spirit, as do magnets applied to the inside of the elbow and the inside of the wrists.

8. Finding the homeopathic constitutional remedy is very important.

9. Color therapy has worked well to relax the nervous system. Sound therapy has worked very well to balance the spirit and supply tones that may be missing from the individual's range.


SUPPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADD
GLA is one of the EFA's(essential fatty acids)which is found in evening primrose oil,borage oil,and black currant seed oil.

EPA and DHA are the Omega 3 long chain fatty acids that are found in fish oils. They are particularly helpful for those with allergies and chemical sensitivities.

Zinc helps the body in cases of chemical detoxication. It is very important for the immune system and regulates the function of the white blood cells.

Magnesium a key mineral for the nervous system and helps in the assimilation of calcium as well. It can be supplemented through liquid chlorophyll, as well as through capsules.

Manganese helps the nervous system and also helps in blood sugar disorders.

B Complex vitamins are important for stress and for the normal functioning of the nervous system. Deficiencies can contribute to depresson,insomnia,and irritability.

Bioflavonoids with Quercitin help the immune system and are important in protecting from allergic substances and chemical sensitivities. They also are necessary in circulation and in manufacturing vitamin C in the body.

Vitamin E is a strong antioxidant which helps to prevent the breakdown of nutrients.

Glutathione and L-cysteine----Glutathione is an antioxidant; it helps protect against environmental toxins and heavy mentals by detoxifying these chemicals, It is obtained from L-cysteine or N-acetyl cysteine.

Probiotics are very important in producing the B vitamins in the body; they also help with food assimilation. They may be taken in powdered of capsule form.


HERBAL RECOMMENDATIONS
Nervine herbs including hops,camomile,scullcap,catnip,lavender,and spearmint are very helpful as teas.

Alfalfa tea is good for making the body more alkaline and balancing the blood sugar.

Parsley tea made from fresh organic parsley simmed in water alkalinizes the body and clears the kidneys.

page 255 to 256
MEDICAL ASTROLOGY Healing for the 21st Century by Marcia Starck

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Glaucus ~

You've put up more great reading!! Your efforts are very much appreciated. I need to get ready for work, but wanted to thank you for your write-up on my boy!!

I'd rather not put our stats up here -- my email's at my Profile, would you zip me a note and I'll send them to you.....

Thanks again,
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Great stuff Glaucus!! Thank you for typing this all out!!

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I believe that discipline,willpower,structure helps...depends on the person though. I also feel that it's good to pursue careers that fit with your AD/HD traits and not try to be something that others want you to be. Some artists are forced to be doctors by parents.

I agree! I had a lot of willpower to stick with the traditional subjects in school...I also agree that most people arent cut out for it anyways...its not natural and I believe that system is a waste of time...it all boils down to class size...one teacher cant cater to the individual learning needs of 30 students per class.

Im still trying to figure out what makes me happy, what it is I am good at doing and what I can stick to without feeling stressed or bored.

I hate routine also. Wouldn't massage therapy end up being like a routine for you?...or would you do that part time?

Thanks for typing up the treatments as well. Ive never been diagnosed as having AD(H)D by a professional...the symptoms were true for me...I could have them for other reasons though. I'll try the treatments and see what happens.

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posted September 28, 2006 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Massage therapy isn't necessarily routine. It depends on what you do. There are a lot of modalities and techniques. Many massage therapists tend to be self employed. Many of them are part time. There are some that will work in chiropractic offices too. You are not sitting down and doing paperwork. That's what meant by routine work. I hate routine paperwork. I also don't care for mundane type work. You are on your feet a lot and constantly moving. It's very physical work There is a lot of flexibility with massage therapy. Sensitivity is a great asset for a massage therapist as well as strong desire to be of service to others and strong interest in health.

http://www.massagetherapycareers.com/

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posted September 28, 2006 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is stuff is my vocational report. It looks good for Massage therapy and Astrology. I was a was in the US Navy for 7 yrs,and my rating was Radioman(telecommunications). I worked in message processing center.

It is a wonderful thing to do the "right" work. To make a contribution, to provide a product or service, or to be of use are excellent things, all the more so when you are making lots of money and are recognized and appreciated. There is a direct correlation between work and time. So, as they say, if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. The information that follows will give you an edge on your journey down the road to success.

Midheaven in Gemini and Mercury in Scorpio:

You could have two jobs or careers. For example, you could have one career and then
another one writing or talking about the first. You enjoy a lot of intellectual stimulation, and you have a need to talk about your work. You are successful to the degree that you are using your mind, your skills, and your wits. You will be happy in your work if you are flexible, alert, swift, and clever. You will not be happy in your job if you gossip, exaggerate or tell lies on the job.

You could work in fields such as agency work, the airlines, or business and office
supplies. You are also suited for vocations involving travel, sales, data processing,
information systems, the media, writing and journalism, entertainment, transportation, or
anything literary.

Because you like to take charge and be powerful, you have a strong sense of deep
commitment and involvement in your work. However, you run the risk of abusing your
power if you are not careful.

Because the planet Mercury is said to be the "ruler" of your career, a good reading of
chapter 4 on Mercury is essential to making your professional life run smoother.

Ruler of 10 house in 3rd:

Local connections, neighbors, sisters & brothers, or short trips will all play a key role in your professional career. In order to earn more income, you should develop greater
communications skills. You have a great need to express yourself. So learn how to voice
your opinions and to get paid for doing it.

Ruler of 2nd house in 3rd:

Increasing your communications skills will increase your income. You CAN earn money
through speaking, writing, traveling and communicating.

Creative mental and verbal ability will pay off handsomely for you. Short trips and
mobile communications will also play a key role in your financial success. You may do some business with siblings or neighbors.

Ruler of 6th house in 2nd:

To earn the necessities of life, you could do something related to the animal kingdom. Or you could find employment helping others to get work. Your own ideal working conditions could include doing something that very easily flows with your sense of innate values. When it comes to training and task orientation, you could benefit from learning skills in health, nutrition and related fields.


Saturn Conjunct MC:

One way or another, you're going to deal with the power of hard work.

You can also advance to the top through displaying professionalism and expertise and
being competent, diligent and disciplined. You value tangible results and readily accept
responsibility.

Suitable work may include any position where you are the boss or are in charge. You
are also suited to be a professional, authority, or expert. Until you figure it out and get it together, you may well be overworked and underpaid.

Jupiter Opposition MC:

It probably isn't easy, yet somehow it may be necessary for you to deal with the power of your social skills.

You can also advance to the top by reaching beyond limits and expanding your current horizons. Go places and learn things. Place importance upon a belief system that fits your unique needs. The good news is that your stars are encouraging you to seek fame and fortune. Better yet, you can make a name for yourself. Best of all, if you put all this together, you will become some kind of optimistic wheeler-dealer.

A suitable career for you may include acting, politics, entertainment, advertising,
broadcasting, telecommunications, publishing, stock options, financial investment, the law or religion.

Uranus Trine MC:

It could be easy, and yet you may not be challenged enough to deal with the power of
computers, science and technology.

In your life the unpredictability factor is strong. Not even the world's greatest psychic astrologer would attempt to predict all of the wonderful surprises that await you. You can become free enough to do whatever you choose. You can also advance to the top by using your mental mastery and technical know-how. You need to feed your need for excitement and stimulation and do the off-beat, unorthodox things you want.

A suitable career may include TV, computers, astrology, science, or math.

MC Trine True Node:

It could be easy, and yet you may not be challenged enough to deal with the power of
belonging to a mastermind group.

You can also advance to the top through your abilities to meet people and establish
rapport. Suitable careers may include dating services and employment agencies.

Sun Biquintile MC:

Your special gift might be wasted. It might not be appreciated. You might not even be free enough to do it. The choice is yours on how to handle the direct application of power.

You can also advance to the top through self-involvement and self-promotion. Put
another way, you can become some kind of superstar. You cater to the needs of an
audience, have the need to be special and have fun, and were born with spontaneous
management and leadership ability.

Suitable work may include anything where you are in the limelight. You could work with
children. Your job could involve other people's fun. For example you could work in an amusement park, theater, or sunny resort area.

MC Sextile Chiron:

Although it might be easy for you, you may not be challenged enough to deal with the
power of your special skills to help you to achieve your destiny.

You can also advance to the top through being diligent, going out on a quest and sending others on quests, taking a maverick approach to some important work, or acting in an advisory capacity. You need to be useful on own terms.

Suitable work may include body work, chiropractic care, massage, herbs, astrology, or any of the ancient traditions which are making a come back under the banner of "New Age".

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I knew of a guy, with a similar chart to mine, including the T-square, who was into massage therapy.

But I dont think I would have the patience tho. I need to use my brain (while its working ) and ideas for work.

I can relate to your Gemini Midheaven (and the need for change, multi-tasking that would bring in in your career), because I have Mercury conjunct Midheaven...Jupiter opposite MC too. And Ive got both Uranus and Pluto in the 6th house.

The aspects to your MC are very good. Saturn conjunct may mean it'll take you a while and some hard work to reach where you want to be career wise. You won't give up and will get there eventually. The alternative healing arts definitely works with your chart.

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posted October 02, 2006 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus/gemini cusp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there.
I was wondering if any of you know of any connections with autism and astrology.
I have just had the most horrendously stressful fortnight. My son has just started school for the first time, and his teacher has informed me that she thinks there are a few personality quirks in him that indicate autism- possibly aspergers?

I'm not convinced. He's highly intelligent (as most autistics are), so if it is autism, it would be high functioning, (thank God.) But most of those on the autistic spectrum are unable to emote easily, whereas Daniel is very emotional. He cries easily and despises sudden change. He's a well behaved boy though- and very affectionate.

That said, I am obviously going to get him assessed by proffesionals- I just wondered if anyone knows of any reccurring patterns in astrology that indicate autistic tendencies. Any help would be much appriciated, as I am very worried. He's my pride and joy.

Here's his info:

Daniel
9th July 2002
22:19
London, England.

*Bear in mind that Stephen Speilberg, and Bill Gates have Aspergers Syndrome, so it can come in fairly useful for some people I suppose!

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posted October 02, 2006 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
t/g cusp ~

My boy was diagnosed like yours -- at the beginning of school. He was EXTREMELY sensitive. He didn't like to go to the bathroom at school because the toilets flushed too loud! A high and constant noise level (kids at recess?!?) would make him bonkers. He was diagnosed Autistic Spectrum, possible Aspergers. When he was smaller, he could NOT sit still, so they tagged him ADHD. I don't like it, but he is on meds now, and it's working for him. The meds allow him to FOCUS, and he says they help him cope with his life and his routines. I started giving him 1000mg of Fish Oil (with EPA and DHA) a year ago with his doctor's OK, and it has made a big difference. He still erupts, but in general he's on a much more even keel. And he still cries easily, and hates sudden changes, but he's better able to roll with it now that he's older.

Glaucus ~

Thanks again for all the info and especially your insights on my boy -- I'm really grateful for your efforts!

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posted October 02, 2006 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus/gemini cusp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Azalaksh! Thanks so much for your reply!

My lad definately sounds similar to your boy! Dan also hates loud noises, such as those hand driers that you get in public toilets! He's also scared of hoovers, hairdryers, blenders and anything in that vein....

He's not especially hyperactive though- he's fairly calm and sometimes even lazy. He does have a problem with listening. he tends to tune some people out and has to be asked 4 times before he clocks what you're asking him. He does understand what you're saying, but seems too faraway to hear you at first.

It's very interesting about the fish oil! My dad used to give me sister and I cod liver oil capsules when we were little, to aid our concentration. It worked until we got older and couldn't be bothered with taking them anymore!!! Anyway, I'll wait to see what the doc concludes!

I'm glad your lad is responding well now- you sound like you know what you're talking about!!! Thanks again!

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posted October 02, 2006 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have to tell you something. Autistics can be very emotional and have behavior problems because of that. They can act out a lot. Antipsychotics have been used to treat those problems that the autistics have. I am Dyspraxic(a condition that overlaps with autistic spectrum disorders) myself,and I have a history of emotionally overreacting...especially as a child...I am very hypersensitive to external stimuli....I take cod liver oil(DHA/EPA)and that helps considerably decrease my hypersensitivity.

Personally, I don't believe in that stuff. I am afraid that one day that neurodivergent conditions in general will be treated with psychiatric medications.


Most autistic people seem unusually "reactive," and reactive to unusual things. An autistic person who seems to take major emergencies in stride may become upset over any surprise happening, even a minor one (like dropping pencil). Autistic people may often seem unemotional, but can be very emotional when something is important to them. Many are much more candid and expressive with their emotions than normal people. http://www.autistics.org/library/whatis.html


Links about Risperdal used to treat autism http://www.bri.ucla.edu/bri_weekly/news_050701.asp http://groups.msn.com/TheAutismHomePage/risperidone.msnw http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161343,00.html http://www.medpagetoday.com/Pediatrics/Autism/tb/1308 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12151468&dopt=Abstract http://www.bbbautism.com/medications.htm


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Glaucus- thank you so much for your fantastic research! It was just the sort of thing I've been looking for, so bless you!

Reading some of the stuff on the first link, I thought; "Yeah! Wow that's Dan!" The stuff about having acute hearing, yet delayed reactions to answering questions, especially rung true. He's only 4, so it will be hard to tell if it is autism or simply just adjustment difficulties. (Starting school, etc).

As I mentioned before, although he has plently of energy, it is fairly channelled and he is mostly still and placid. I don't think there seems to be any ADHD, or Dyspraxia, but I'm not a doctor, so I'd better seek the advice of one before I try and diagnose him myself!

Going back to the dyspraxia/dyslexia thing it's very interesting that you should bring that up. I have a BIG family history of them both. I don't have dyslexia- infact I consider myself to be good at reading and writing, but I have always been very clumsy and uncoordinated. Hmmmm. I also CANNOT do maths. It is a foreign language to me. Discalculia or something isn't it? I maybe wrong, but more family members than not have these conditions. 2 are outright autistic.

Thank you again for taking the time to look those links up! They threw up some interesting points!

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posted October 02, 2006 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome,Ellie

I have auditory processing issues myself. I have auditory input speech lags. I am slow for things to register when people are talking to me. I had auditory reversals(turned things around when I heard stuff) that led me to have disorganized,jumbled up speech. People had to slow down when talking to me. I get auditory overload. I tend to get confused when people talk to me I had hearing and speech tested. I have problems remembering oral language. They told my mom it was a form of Dyslexia. It those auditory processing issues that get people to think I am stupid and slow. Even police thought I was disoriented(as mentally ill) because I was slow in responding to them because I had delays in understanding what they told me. I had asked the police for help because I got lost finding my way back to my aunt's house. I was visiting out of town. The auditory processing issues are common in Dyslexics and Dyspraxics. They also label it as Central Auditory Processing Disorder or Auditory Processing Disorder. They can oversensitive hearing and have problems listening when there is background noise. Speech and reading problems and language problems can be the result. Auditory Processing Disorder is recognized as one of the main causes of Dyslexia. It's not neccessarily autistic thing. I also think that Auditory Processing Disorder could be a manifestation of Dyslexia which can be different brain wiring. Also auditory processing deficits tend to be mistaken for attention deficits. We tend to be accused of not paying attention when we really are. Also our minds can end up wandering off if there is a lot of noise or there is a lot of talking. Imagine a person with auditory processing deficits having to pay attention to a teacher lecturing in class. They could have problems understanding what the teacher but can be accused of not paying attention. They can also react to sounds and so they can move around...that could be seen as hyperactivity.

Many Dyslexics and people with auditory processing disorder have a history of ear infections in childhood. I am one of them. I had severe ear infection when I was 3 months old,and I had to be hospitalized.


My mother told me that my father had both auditory processing problems and speech problems too. A matter of fact, she
told me that she was thinking of him when I got checked out because of my speech problems when I was 4 yrs old. After I explained to my mother about cluttering,she told me that my father did that. He was a clutterer just like me and not just a stutterer. My mother also has auditory processing issues too. She told me that she has a lot of Dyslexic symptoms that I read from Dr. Levinson's site.
http://www.levinsonmedical.com/information/syndrome.html


Here is something that Dr. Levinson wrote:

A SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE DYSLEXIA The Discovery of Cerebellar-Vestibular Syndromes and Therapies by Dr. Levinson
page 47

Although primary receptive aphasic speech disturbances were distinctly absent in this dyslexic sample, an occasional dyslexic reported experiencing an unusually long delay between hearing and comprehending a language sequence. As a result,they often found themselves either requesting speakers to repeat themselves as if they had not heard what was said, or forgetting what was said and repeating it later on as if it was their own thought. This interesting difficulty was expressed by a patient as follows: "I find myself saying, 'What?' and by the time I've asked the question I know what was said....An d at other times I'll say something only to find out I've just said repeated something told to me." This temporal receptive speech impairment appeared to mirror the temporal expressive speech delays noted in slurring,stammering,and stuttering,and seemed also consistent with the temporal-spatial sequencing disturbances generally characterizing the speech dysfunctions in dyslexia.
Auditory imperception or scrambling for spefici and sequential phonetic sounds was not infrequently observed. This disturbance appeared to parallel the visual scrambling and blurring phenomena previously described,and often provoked both speech and spelling errors.

SMART BUT FEELING DUMB New Research on Dyslexia by Dr. Levinson
page 233 - 234

The most common and subtle disturbances found among dyslexics,often leading many to become shy and avoid unnecessary speaking,are input and out speech lags. In the presence of a drifting sound input, many dyslexics will hear the sound and not know its meaning until several seconds or even several minutes later. If the sound sequence coming into the brain drifts, it will take the thinking brain several seconds or several minutes to compensate for the processing disturbance,and the patient will frequently ask, "What?" This reflex allows the patient time to compensate for the drifting input and eventually know what was said. No infrequently,dyslexics will speak loudly,perhaps to compensate unknowingly for auditory processing difficulties.


I can identify with all those things that Dr. Levinson said except for speaking loudly. Of course,I was diagnosed as form of Dyslexia after getting my speech and hearing tested at 4 yrs old. I was trained to hear things differently,had intensive speech therapy and phonics training. Dr Levinson verified that I have auditory processing issues by testing me with 3D auditory scanner and during neurological testing which he noted slow auditory input.

Dr. Levinson gave me audiological testing with 3D Auditory Scanner,and my test results were abnormal

AUDIOLOGICAL TESTING
To measure auditory blurring,Dr. Levinson devised an instrument capable of speeding up a series of clear sounds until they could no
longer be distinguished, with and without an interfering background,thus establishing the auditory blurring speed.


This is the page of my test that showed 3D auditory scanner was abnormal http://people.tribe.net/2e0a4c30-b134-49f8-ba74-0990f36b0a5f/photos/fe 58087b-2a2c-4b09-a8f6-07569f06e98a

This is the page of my test of the neurological testing noting that I have slow auditory input http://people.tribe.net/2e0a4c30-b134-49f8-ba74-0990f36b0a5f/photos/fa 7c249f-67cc-4c72-8280-d2bdd3922952

In 2006,I had a neurological testing at Veteran Affairs Hospital. The neurologist confirmed that I have auditory processing deficits. 2 weeks ago,I have neuropsychological tesing. My auditory processing deficits were confirmed.


The thing about Dyslexics is that we have right hemisphere strengths. We think mainly in pictures with strong 3-Dimensional visualization ability,vivid imagination,intuition as well as creative,global thinking.
My mother told me that she is like that herself. Seems run in families.

That will help you find out if the person with an auditory Processing Disorder is Dyslexic or not.

The neuropsychologist even told me that I have very strong visual spatial skills and very good problem solving skills. I impressed her on the block design subtest.

Block design is a subtest on many intelligence tests that tests visospatial and motor skills. The testee is required to take blocks that have all white sides, all red sides, and red and white sides and arrange them according to a pattern. They are timed on this task and compared to a normative sample.

Block Design - Abstract visual-perceptual ability; spatial and nonverbal problem-solving

A pure test of perceptual intelligence, Block Design is the only Perceptual subtest that factors heavily with overall intelligence. Block Design will give you a good clue to innate intellectual potential. However, Block Design is a visual-motor task and poor performance may be developmental or related to a motor deficiency.


This what Susan Barton says about Dyslexia.

It can’t be dyslexia. I had my child tested outside of the school system. They said it was: (pick one)
Auditory Discrimination Problem
Auditory Processing Disorder
Central Auditory Processing Disorder (CAPD)
Orthographic Deficit
Difficulty remembering spelling patterns
Dysgraphia
Dysnomia
Dysphonetic Deficit
Phonemic Awareness Deficit
Reading Disability (RD)
Reading Fluency Problem
Short-term or Long-term Memory Deficit
Specific Language Disability (SLD)
Visual Processing Disorder
Visual-Motor Integration Disorder
Visual Memory Deficit
Visual Tracking Problem
Visual Convergence Problem
Vocabulary on Demand Problem
Word Retrieval Deficit
Written Language Disorder

FACT:
What dyslexia is called depends upon the type of specialist who did the testing, and their knowledge of dyslexia.

Dyslexia affects many different areas, but some testers only check one area. They find one weakness and come to the wrong conclusion. They don’t realize that weakness may be part of a bigger problem: dyslexia.

It’s like the fable of the blind men who approach an elephant from various directions. The one who discovers the trunk describes the animal very differently than the one who finds the tail, than the one who finds the leg, the tusk, etc.

None of them “see” that what they found is just one part of a bigger thing, an elephant.


You have to see the big picture about Dyslexia. You can't just see one part and just label it without considering the whole. After all Dyslexic mind is a mind that involves seeing the big picture. I have a history of 17 of those problems. As you see, she listed the auditory processing stuff. Auditory processing issues can be part of Dyslexia. http://www.bartonreading.com/dys.html#myth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_processing_disorder http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html http://www.schwablearning.org/articles.asp?r=988 http://pages.cthome.net/cbristol/capd-lnk.html http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/medical-dictionary/capd.htm http://www.ncapd.org/News/apd_and_dyslexia.htm http://www.apduk.org/ http://www.aboutourkids.org/aboutour/articles/capd.html http://www.incrediblehorizons.com/Auditory-checklist.htm http://www.tomatis.com/English/Articles/dyslexia.htm http://www.planforlearning.com/default.asp?id=13

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posted October 04, 2006 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus/gemini cusp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fantastic stuff! Thank you!

I think my son has the same thing as you. I spoke to his teacher yesterday and she told me that, on a one to one basis, he is superb, but with the background noise from his classmates, he struggles. He clutters his speech also. It's not that he can't speak properly- infact he shows a very wide vocabulary- he just trips over his words a lot. You can always understand what he is saying. As for reading and writing, so far he is doing well.
I was not convinced about it being outright autism- what you've described seems to fit the bill perfectly and weirdly enough, I can even attribute some of those traits to myself!!!
It's the listening thing mostly. I know my son is by no means slow, nor do I regard myself as slow, but for some reason there is often a delay in reacting to instructions from somebody else. It's like my mind is too sluggish to process the information quickly enough, and perhaps this is what's happening with my son. That said, my mind is constantly on the go- so much so that I often have trouble getting to sleep, because it's still active!!!
You can call my son's name 3 or 4 times, before he reponds, and whilst others think this is disobdience, I have always disagreed. Now it seems as though I might be in the right. My friends and family have recently been remarking, that I do exactly the same thing!!!
I do have a massive family history of dyslexia, etc, and the more I think about it, the more things fall in to place- not just regarding my son and I, but also other relations!!! I will put forwrd your information to the doctor when I go and see him, and see if he can see what I see!!!

It's interesting that you had an ear infection. My son has never had one- nor me, but two of my (severly) dyslexic 1st cousins, a brother and sister, had ear infections in toddlerhood. They were also hospitalised. Their younger brother is very autistic indeed.
It's also strange that you mentioned about seeing the world through pictures and a sort of imagery. The elder cousin I just told you about, has described that, and I have long suspected that my son sees things in this way as well. Just little things here and there that tell me he veiws life differently than most.
I do think he's highly intelligent though, and not just because I'm his mum. It frustrates me when others think the opposite- I just wish they could see what I see!

I'm so sorry for boring you with my family history! It's just alot of the things you described seem to fit in so well with my nearest and dearest! I want to say thank you again for your wonderful research and taking the time to write back. Nothings 100% yet, so I will keep you updated with what the professionals think!!!
You seem like a very acutely intelligent scorp! And for someone with a form of dyslexia, you write beautifully!

Edit: I forgot to add that my son and I are ambidextrous- another symptom that can be attributed apparently! How strange this is getting!

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posted October 04, 2006 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Ellie,

There is no need to be sorry about telling about your family history. I was glad that you shared it with us. I am glad that you are realized what the problems that your son might be having. I hate for neurodivergent people like myself to be misdiagnosed...especially children. I definitely have a special compassion for neurodivergent children. I hate how they are being treated today..especially with their being medicated because they don't fit the norm. I am not surprised by what you said about how your son's auditory processing issues are being perceived by others. That's very normal stuff for people with auditory processing issues. I know this personally. They definitely seem to run in my family with both parents having those issues. I definitely know how auditory processing issues can be mistakened for being slow,stupid,and/or having AD/HD.

Thanks for your compliments. I wouldn't be able to be competent in language at all if it wasn't for my auditory therapy,speech therapy,and phonics as well as great special education teachers who believed in me. I thank my parents for getting me checked out because of my unintelligible,disorganized speech which the nuns in preschool caught and brought it to my mom's attention. Stuff like that back in the old days could get me burnt at the stake by christians because they would think I was influenced by the devil. hahahahaha


I have a strong 3rd house and Mercury aspects. I will show you interpretaions for them...according to my astroinsight report.


Here is my natal chart:

http://people.tribe.net/2e0a4c30-b134-49f8-ba74-0990f36b0a5f/photos/d29fef25-82f9-4319-824e-b289d4d2827f
note: I have (12th house ruler Sun-true Black Moon Lilith conjunction in Scorpio in 2nd near my 3rd house cusp. In the book,THE HOUSE CONNECTION by Karen Hamaker-Zondag, I read that planets within 3 degrees of the next house can be interpreted as being in next house. house. I have 3rd house ruler(Pluto)in 1st and 1st house ruler(Mercury) in 3rd. I also have 2nd/9th house ruler in 3rd. I have 4th house ruler(Jupiter)in 3rd. I also have night ruler of 3rd(Mars)in 6th. All that reflects how I processing information,communicate,and think.


The planet in sign and house combo is typed as header with the planet in sign interpreted first and the planet in house interpreted 2nd. Last, the planetary aspects including the declinations(I believe in 3D astrology)are interpreted


THESE INTEPRETATIONS ARE FROM COSMO NATAL REPORT BY KEPLER:

MERCURY IN SCORPIO IN 3RD


Mercury in Scorpio
- You have good mental concentration and the ability to become completely immersed in your work. You seem to know things at an instinctive, nonverbal level and prefer learning through direct experience or apprenticeship rather than vicariously via books or lectures. You have mechanical ability and work well with your hands. You could become adept at sculpture, pottery, carpentry, stained glass, or anything that involves doing and making things manually. Biology (and related fields such as medicine) interests you as well. You also have an instinctive rapport with animals, and may feel you relate better to them than to people! You tend to become narrowly focused upon your own specialized interests and may not have much to say or communicate outside that field.

Mercury in 3rd
-Inquisitive and communicative, your mind seems to be "on" all of the time and you are forever gathering information and sharing ideas. Your attention span may be rather brief; you have many and diverse interests, and are easily distracted. You learn quickly, are eager to pass on what you are learning and thinking about, and may talk excessively.


VENUS IN SCORPIO IN 3RD


Venus in Scorpio

In love, you desire a deep, intense, passionate union with your beloved and form very strong emotional bonds and attachments. You "marry" the person you love at a very deep emotional level, and are often extremely possessive and jealous of any threat to that union. You can be very demanding with your love partner. You tend to be somewhat suspicious of even platonic, friendly relationships your partner has. If you are ever betrayed, you are capable of hating with as much force and intensity as you once loved. You are attracted to people who have an aura of mystery about them.


Venus in 3rd
- Beautiful, elegant, and harmonious surroundings are very important to you, and you have an innate sense of style, design, and form. Socially, also, good form and politeness are important to you and you instinctively avoid crudeness and dissonance.

You enjoy talking about love, relationships, art and the beautiful side of life. You appreciate artistic people.

JUPITER IN SAGITTARIUS IN 3RD

Jupiter in Sagittarius
- Your strength lies in your ability to see the whole, rather than only the parts which compose it. You have a deep need to explore the world and to develop your own philosophy of life and sense of personal meaning. You vacillate between being open-minded and tolerant of differing views, and being dogmatic or overly zealous about your own viewpoint.

Jupiter in 3rd
-You have a great love of learning and an eager, curious, active mind which impels you to travel and see as much of the world as possible. You read widely, and may excel academically. You love being in a teacher-student relationship and may stay in school for many years, prolonging your studies for as long as possible! You also communicate well and would be an effective, inspiring teacher.

Public relations or any field involving communications and sharing information also suits you very well.


NEPTUNE IN SAGITTARIUS IN 3RD

You are part of a 14 year group of people that are extremely idealistic and farsighted in their dreams. Your age group is very liberal and expansive in outlook, and consequently churches become much more flexible and more eclectic in their approach during your life time. Religions that do not adapt to the broad-minded attitude of your age group simply are unable to attract very much interest and involvement from you.

A great deal of metaphysical musing and speculation is evident in your age group, and there is a very strong interest in all manner of psychic phenomena, UFO's, prophecy, etc. This interest will open many new doors and insights, but will also often lead to a great deal of fantasizing and speculation that is taken more seriously than it should be.

Neptune in 3rd
-Daydreaming, lack of concentration, and inattention to your surroundings can be problems for you. Your mind tends to wander unless you are using it in an imaginative, creative way. Dry facts and cold logic hold no appeal for you, and unless a subject has a colorful or personally inspiring element, you won't stick with it for long. You have a sensitive, intuitive bent.


MERCURY ASPECTS

Mercury conjunct Venus and Mercury parallel Venus (Mercury-Venus occultation)
- You appreciate aesthetics and have a fine sense of form, design, and beauty. You could develop considerable technical skill as an artist, designer, craftsman, or creative writer. You could also sell objects of beauty - artistic products, cosmetics, jewelry, etc.

You have the ability to please and harmonize well with others and tend to ameliorate relationships between people. Your sense of humor, tact, and personal charm are of great benefit to you in any work with people on a one-to-one level.

Mercury contraparallel Saturn
-You have an aptitude for solving difficult mental problems due to your careful, methodical approach, attention to detail, and tenacity in following a matter through to its conclusion. You have good powers of concentration and enjoy studying and thinking in solitude. You can get wrapped up entirely in your own thoughts and completely engrossed in some small detail. You are slow and cautious, but extremely thorough in your work. Conservative and something of a skeptic, you may be narrow-minded or closed to any idea which has no concrete proof or scientific verification. You prefer dealing with facts rather than abstract speculation. You may also be distrustful or fearful of anything you cannot understand with your rational mind. You are well-suited to work in research or any field that requires careful study and thought.

Mercury parallel Neptune
-Your mind does not function in a linear, logical manner and you are often unable to express your thoughts in simple, everyday language. Symbols, images, art, or music better express your ideas. Flights of imagination and fantasy carry you into strange and beautiful worlds, and you could develop the ability to transcribe some of your perceptions to share with others, for example, by writing fantasy, fiction, lyrics, or poetry. You are sensitive to nuances and possess intuitive or psychic gifts, but you may become confused between imagination and true perception. You have a strong mystical and idealistic bent, and have difficulty concentrating your attention on practical or mundane activities. You are strongly attracted to metaphysical and spiritual topics.

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posted October 06, 2006 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus/gemini cusp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! With so many planets in the 3rd house, it's no wonder you write so well, despite your auditory processing issues. Especially Mercury (at home- good comunication skills) Jupiter (affinity with the written word) and Neptune (Visionary).

Daniel is slowly progressing at school. I think that despite his problems, he will go far and end up doing very well for himself! I don't know why, I just have a feeling! The descriptions you gave me about auditory processing issues, has been the only thing that have hit the nail on the head, not just regarding my son and I, but also other relations! I will be putting it forward to our doctor to see what he says. Thanks again for all your help.

You have a fascinating birth chart! Would I be right in thinking that you've- so far- led a very interesting life? I've always been intruigued by scorpios, being my opposite sign and all!

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The range of Autism is so vast. Ive worked with and taken care of children of both ends of the spectrum. Though Im not a special education teacher or technically qualified. It's very odd actually...autistic kids had a way of finding me, during the school year and on my summer vacations. (could have to do with my t-square with saturn in the 5th)

Some of them were brilliant, some never uttered a word, some were extremely violent and abusive, and some you wondered why they were labelled autistic.

I wonder if there's any similiarties in the charts of people with autism...anyone ever come upon any studies?

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Glaucus -

You must have been terrified when you took too long to make an oral response. I would equate the feeling like one of being "trapped" in your body. To me, being an Air Sign trying to become more like a Taurus Asc felt like that. Air doesn't want to be contained (Water can't).

It makes me think of all the crazy superstitions which arose due to misdiagnosis throughout history. Hope it turned out OK.

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I know this is old but I want to add to this. I have ADHD and as a child I got into ALOT of trouble, and I often times, spit my medicine out(hated feeling contolled). But as time grew on I matured


The biggest thing for me was having a third house Uranus which I think has something to do with it. Also I have Saturn cpnjunct Uranus in sagg in the 3rd house. Uranus is sextile my sun. My mercury only conj. Pluto and Venus in Scorpio, its only two aspects.

But my Sun is sextile Uranus. As far as mars, he is in the first in libra(as well as my Sun)and he makes no aspects to Uranus. Nothing about my mars, to me, indicates adhd not like the third house did.


I also had a conduct disorder and it was horrible. I do have alot of energy period and you have to direct it but that only comes with time. Until then, we do need a STRONG teacher that can handle our energy b/c a young adhd person has a problem(well at least some)with authority. The only authority figures I did listen to were strong ones that didn't give up on me yet kept me in line.

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