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Alterna
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posted September 28, 2006 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alterna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 28, 2006 03:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not know whether the Sun person would make any promise to you or not. I got the same case. His Sun exactly oppose my Sun/Moon midpoint. He is love of my life. For me, it is true that the Sun/Moon owner would feel more. Actually, for my feeling, I am the person who makes promise to the relationship I do not know his actual feeling anyway.

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posted September 28, 2006 06:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also think the Sun-Moon-owner would feel more.

A very basic element of his nature (Sun), the way he acts and maybe also his body triggers the connection of Sun and Moon inside of you, a feeling of fulfillment and completion. It`s as if he completes you, makes you whole.
And yes, I think it`s a very important midpoint.
I also would look to the midpoint of Venus-Mars for sexual attraction.


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posted September 28, 2006 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if the sun/moon owner would feel it more but I will say that I'm the sun person and I feel that ishh too!

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posted September 28, 2006 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for triplecancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
which orbs do we have to use? planets? would venus square sun/moon midpoint with orb 248' count?

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posted September 28, 2006 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 28, 2006 11:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ebertin, who was the first modern astrologer to use midpoints as far as I know (Glaucus, correct me, if I am wrong), suggested to use an orb of 200 for Sun, Moon, AC and MC, and an or of 130 for the other planets.
Other astrologer suggest an orb of 100.
Basically, the smaller the orb, the stronger the effect.
So, I wouldn`t count an orb of 248 to the Sun/Moon-midpoint.
But I`d make an exception if there was a conjunction of Venus and another planet, and the midpoint of that conjunction would be in orb with the Sun-Moon-Midpoint.

For example:
My Sun-Moon-Midpoint is on 2131 Capricorn.
The man I`m interested in has Venus on 2406 Libra and Mars on 1818 Libra.
Both planets have a too wide orb to be counted as squaring my Sun-Moon-midpoint.
But his Venus-Mars-midpoint is on 2112 Libra.
That means his Venus-Mars midpoint is square my Sun-Moon midpoint with an orb of 19`. And I think i feel the effect quite clearly.


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posted September 28, 2006 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
3 degrees is too wide an orb???

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posted September 28, 2006 04:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alterna,

If your Sun\Moon midpoint is at 27 Taurus, you are less than 1 degree from Caput Algol sometimes known as "the most evil star in the sky".

According to my SolarFire software, Algol is at 26 Taurus 15' 56" so a more precise location of your Sun/Moon midpoint which includes the minutes of longitude as well as the degree may be informative.

My own Sun/Moon midpoint is at 26 Taurus 25. I can't say that it is a bowl of cherries but intensity can be high at times.

Here is what my SolarFire software says about Algol:

Female passion and intensity ---
Considered the most evil star in the sky, this label is not supported by working with Algol in many charts. According to the Greeks, the star is the severed head of Medusa and is used by Perseus to save Andromeda, as well as his mother. Algol is all the passion and intensity of the feminine which can be used effectively or destructively.

There is a lot of information on the web about Algol if you care to search it out. One of the sites I ran across was http://www.skyscript.co.uk/algol.html
which shows some famous personages with Algol influences. I suspect that our Sun/Moon midpoints also qualify as "sensitive points" for Algol and that our love relationships are colored by contact with it.

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posted September 28, 2006 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alterna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you everyone for your responses!


Alisa: How did you feel when you first met him?


DD:

Indeed, when I'm with this person I feel so... -comfortable- and like you said 'complete'. I just wish I could affect him as much as he affects me.

I looked at our Venus/Mars midpoints and it turns out that our Moons both hard aspect eachothers Venus/Mars midpoints...

His Moon (13 Cancer 13) squares my Venus/Mars Midpoint (12 Aries 27.5) and My Moon (27 Gemini 18) squares his Venus/Mars Midpoint (0 Cap 55)

Well, I now that I read your post about orbs I think that my moon just barely didn't make the cut.

Oh, And his Venus/Mars midpoint conjuncts my Uranus exactly (0 Cap 56).

Dulce Luna: Hehe. That makes me feel a bit better knowing I might not be the only one feeling that 'issh'!

Arcnpi:

I actually made a mistake!

My Midpoint is actually 29 Taurus 17 and not 27 Taurus. My Moon is 27 Gemini so I mixed up the two numbers. (Ironically my Midpoint is still opposing the Sun of my interest) Would being 3 degrees away from Algol still some sort of effect on me? I know that in my relationships I'm always very, very INTENSE. Intense is the exact word I use also.

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posted September 28, 2006 08:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alterna said:
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Would being 3 degrees away from Algol still some sort of effect on me? I know that in my relationships I'm always very, very INTENSE. Intense is the exact word I use also.
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Check out this webpage. http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html
This guy thinks Algol deserves a 6-degree orb. You can also see other fixed stars that might affect your chart.

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posted September 28, 2006 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alterna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! This is going a bit off topic, but this is very fascinating! Thank you very much. =)

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posted September 29, 2006 04:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alterna

On the first day we met, we only had 15 minutes talk about general topic in our business trip. Then, I felt to myself, I had long been waiting for this guy for my entire life. I did not know why I felt like this on that day. I just knew that it is him. I finally found him!! Then, after we had a chance to be friends one year later, I found that we were very comfortable to each other. Probably there are lots of other aspects supporting this as well like Moon conjunct ASC, Venus conjunct ASC, Moon conjunct Mercury, etc.

Now, life without him makes me feel that something is missing. Before I met him, I felt that I do not want anyone to make me whole.

If you are always so intense in relationship, probably you would be the most intense ever with this guy

You want to know the same thing like me "Does he feel the same?" I have tried to find our for 2 years without knowing answer yet I hope that our feeling would be reciporcated since his Sun/Moon midpoint also square my ASC with 2 orb.

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posted September 30, 2006 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alterna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alisa

That is so wonderful, and it is exactly how I feel too. I actually only met this guy only a month ago, and within the first few minutes of meeting him I felt that I really wanted to get to know this person. Now that I know him a bit more, I always want to be around him. However, that part is complicated-- my feelings are not exactly returned. That's a long story. But he says that I am a "dangerous friend" because he could eventually grow to become more comfortable with me. Maybe I will have to wait a year like you as well.

The main synastry that I can see immediately are how his Moon (trines), Mercury (conjuncts), Venus (conjuncts), and Jupiter (trines) all aspect my Pluto.

I hope you find your answer soon =)

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posted September 30, 2006 04:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alterna

The fact is that he was the person who chase me. He gave me a call after we met second times six months later. Then he kept calling me one or two times a week while I hardly called him. Men like to chase. They would like the girl who they decide to chase. If we chase them, they would say "No, I don't feel like you.". It was very hard while you would like to call one person a lot but you have to wait every single minute for his call. He is your Sun/Moon. It would drive you crazy if you do sth like me. I know. However, this strategy works! Just share my thought although it is not relevant to astrology though.

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posted September 30, 2006 06:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alterna,

well, you have one Venus-mars-midpoint at least; that should indicate a strong attraction.

I looked up the Moon= Venus/ Mars in my new book; I will have to translate it, because it`s in German, so if there are any mistakes in it, I apologize:

Moon = Venus / Mars
"passionate; healthy sexdrive; desireable; devoted; affectionate; enthusiastic; uncontrolled; to create with joy; to create harmony; to act out of emotions; strong sexual instincts; Passion; sexuality"

And one more thing: Even though I think the one with the midpoint would feel more, it`s not really a one way thing.
In this case you also activate his moon, his emotional side; and I guess that means that he reacts emotionally to you; he may care for you or want to protect you.
Also, if someone`s Venus activates the midpoint of another person, the first one still reacts with his / her Venus to the other person; so he or she would certainly feel a strong attraction to the other one.

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posted September 30, 2006 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That is so wonderful, and it is exactly how I feel too. I actually only met this guy only a month ago, and within the first few minutes of meeting him I felt that I really wanted to get to know this person. Now that I know him a bit more, I always want to be around him

Thats how I felt too, and remember....I'm the sun person . Only in my case, because I make my life so complicated when it shouldn't be *bangs head on the desk*, it took almost two years for something to finally happen.

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posted September 30, 2006 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alterna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alisa: Wow, he was the one who approached me too. We met two more times after we met that same week, very briefly, and then he messenged me online that Friday. I was very surprised. Then after that, I would always message him. I see him just about everyday too. The complicated part is that he already liked someone else before he met me, so he feels obligated to her (she likes him in return but nothing has happened yet.) But I think I will take your advice, despite it's non-relavance to astrology, and try to become more patient. I'm Gemini moon... it is hard for me, haha. But I'm also Taurus sun.


DD: Thank you for this translation. And it is true, what you said about the Moon person: he is very protective of me and reacts emotionally -- when I'm happy, he's happy, and when I'm sad, he's sad too. What other midpoints do you think would be significant?


Dulce Luna: And Hahahaha. *bangs head against desk too* I can't imagine waiting two years; Well, I could, but... well... who knows-- Time will tell. Who finally sealed the deal in the end: You or the Sun/Moon?

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posted September 30, 2006 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Ummm, everyone is different-in my case t'was the sun/moon. But I think that may have had more to do with me being Cancerian than anything(I never make first move). You say this guy is a scorpio right, thats different cause they make moves when they're sure of your interest. (My sun/moon is a Scorpio) Cancerians (especially ones with virgo moons ) almost never do only because we over-analyze when we really shouldn't. So you may not have anything to worry about in the "time" department.

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posted September 30, 2006 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alterna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny you say that 'cause this Scorpio has a Cancer moon. LOL

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posted September 30, 2006 02:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alterna

I think that the aspects with 165 degree apart (quindecile) are very strong too.

The following midpoints are strong too:
Moon/Cupido : Wife
Moon/Mar : Ideal woman

And you can look at asteroids too like Psyche, Eros, Amor, Valentine. I think Amor is very important. It means unconditional love.

Be patient. Whatever will be, will be!

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posted October 04, 2006 01:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome arcnpi

That's interesting about Algol. I liked both those links.

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posted October 11, 2006 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump!

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posted October 11, 2006 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sun=his sun/moon midpoint.

Sigh...

Also have venus/mars=mars (forget whose is whose though!). He absolutely blew me away from the first time we met. If what is said is true, I possibly effect him more than he effects me. Gee I feel sorry for him if thats true cos I'm completely gone over him.

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posted October 11, 2006 02:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here is an interesting mid-point calculator.
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/midpoints/index.php

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