posted October 08, 2006 10:58 AM              

For example, the 4th House Rules the Moon. My Moon in Cancer is in the 3rd House and struggles with attachment/detachment here. My Venus Conjunct Pluto is in my 4th House, so I'm desirous of a stable home life for sure. But then I've got a Uranus Singleton in the 4th too.

To top off, I've got my North Node in the 4th too. It's like I was born with a need to REALLY get my 4th House in order.

Thanks for any feedback.

posted October 08, 2006 09:32 PM              

Moon in the 12th, T-squared by Sun and Mars in the 10th and Saturn conj. Pluto in the 4th. (Hope I got the terminology correct...)

posted October 09, 2006 08:31 AM              

I kind of have a conflict here, regarding 4th house/cancer.

My moon is very happily and well-placed in cancer, meaning of course that I love my home, children and family.

My fourth house cusp is virgo and oh yes, I keep my house very neat and tidy! You know, a place for eveything and everything in it's place. (I have to add though that my full fifth house energy seeps through as I do have lots of artwork, pretty objects, family photo's and collectors things around!)

But conflicting these positive things I have mars, uranus and pluto in the fourth house. What a gang!!! I feel these to signify my relations with older family members rather my own 'little' family, you know my kids. I have no conflict with my kids. But my mother and father, well it's been terrible to say the least.

Would this make sense? Is the fourth house in fact our parents maybe rather than our offspring? I feel the fifth house is offspring more and mine is full of happy planets, like jupiter and venus and the sun.

posted October 09, 2006 11:18 AM              

Stephanie Camilleri:
The Moon in the fourth house gives a great hunger for emotional security. People with this position will pour all their emotional energies into securing the steady, protective maternal kind of love that they must have in order to go out and achieve something. Love relationships are dangerous for them because they do not play around and can be wounded to the depths of their being by the apparent treachery of loved ones whose emotional needs are not as deep as their own. This attitude can be repressive to others. They are the children who required an official 'best friend'. If they feel secure in the love at home, they can rise to great heights of accomplishment as they have a deep instinct for people and business, and their need for security is a powerful driving force. If the Moon is in an Earth sign, physical security is also very important to them, and they will do whatever it takes to own land and have a substantial savings account.
In some cases, their standards of devotion are so high that they can turn aside from all long-term emotional commitments out of fear of being hurt. Also, if betrayed, their love can turn to hate, and they will bear grudges and be exceedingly vindictive towards former loved ones.

Howard Sasportas:
Whereas the Sun in the 4th struggles to free itself from too great an identification with the family, the Moon in the 4th finds security and a sense of belonging within this structure. Refuge from life's battles is sought by withdrawing back into the home. Even when they have a family of their own, those with this placement may pack their bags and run back to the family of origin when difficulties arise. THey need the home to be a kind of retreat and sanctuary, and therefore they are highly attuned to the undercurrents and changes of atmosphere in that environment. Nonetheless, they may not always make their own feelings obvious to others. Often they regress into their early childhood behavior patterns when the struggles of life become too much. I know one person with this placement who whenever he is upset has an intense craving for chocolate chip cookies because that is what his mother gave him to make him feel better as a child. It is as if there is a mechanism in the psyche which says 'All right, I've had enough growing up for now; I'm going backwards for a while'.
A child normally looks to its mother for security and containment; but with the Moon in the 4th it is possible that the father emanated a safer feeling than the mother. Some with this placement may still be searching for a father to make life secure for them. In the long run, the parent needs to be found on an archetypal level from within the self. Depending on the aspects to the Moon in this house, qualities of caring and nurturance might have been learned from the father rather than the mother.
Sometimes the 4th house Moon wanders restlessly in search of the home or even the coutnry in which it feels the most safe or has the greatest sense of belonging. Sometimes it is the conditions within the home itself which fluctuate. Often there is an interest in family lineage, real estate or archaeology, and perhaps a strong desire to live by water. The conditions surrounding the end of life may be shown by the aspects to the Moon in this house.

posted October 11, 2006 03:32 AM              

teaologist -

Yeah, your terminology is understandable.

Here we can look at both your Moon's placement, as well as any Planets in your 4th House.

For your Moon, it's part of a T-Square. I have one too, Mars T-Squared by a Moon/Saturn Opposition. Very similar cz our Moon, Mars & Saturn are involved. Any time we talk about any kind of harsh Moon/Cancer/4th House Aspects to the Saturn/Capricorn/10th House, I relate so well. I imagine your are ultrasensitive with a Moon in the 12th, but you probably experience some frustration when your emotions start to build up and there's no constructive outlet.

And for your 4th House, you have Pluto there like me too (Conj Venus). So upheavels are probably more common for you too, and you have to sort of forge your own way even if it's against the family's opinion. I can relate.

Full-fifthhouse-loulou -

I have Moon in Cancer too. My 4th House Cusp is in Leo, with a Sun in the 5th. I totally get what you mean about the 5th House energy cz I like the same "artsy" environment. My Venus Conj Pluto are in Virgo in the 4th House, so you and I have similar energies too.

It makes for wanting a close supportive family environment A LOT, I mean, since I was little, and having the complete opposite just breaks my heart. No matter if I try to create the environment in my own direction, it NEVER feels complete.

And it would be like, fine ... ok ... if it wasn't for other 4th House energies FORCING me to sort of make gold out of jello. I'm continually feeling like it's just futile.

As for the parents or offspring, I agree with you. And also, to me the 4th House is more about home environment in general. You have that Uranus in the 4th like me too! So right there, it already means unexpected changes in residence or family dynamics. Has that been the case with you? Does that artsy stuff get packed and moved around some? Maybe cz you have kids, you've maybe fought that urge?

Kamilla -

Although my Moon is not placed in the 4th, I can really relate to

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need the home to be a kind of retreat and sanctuary, and therefore they are highly attuned to the undercurrents and changes of atmosphere in that environment. Nonetheless, they may not always make their own feelings obvious to others. Often they regress into their early childhood behavior patterns when the struggles of life become too much.

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A LOT!

and also, this TOTALLY sounds like me

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wanders restlessly in search of the home or even the coutnry in which it feels the most safe or has the greatest sense of belonging. Sometimes it is the conditions within the home itself which fluctuate. Often there is an interest in family lineage, real estate or archaeology, and perhaps a strong desire to live by water.

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Thank you very much for sharing that while I continue to forge on in search of relief.

posted October 11, 2006 01:27 PM              

The last paragraph that you quoted definitely applies to me. After quite a bit of wandering I finally settled 5000 miles away and across the ocean from where I started. Oh, and I do live near the water.

My Fourth House is loaded too. Moon in exact conjunction to Lilith, then Venus conjunct Neptune. This pair makes hard aspects to Mars and Saturn. Add 4th House Cusp in Scorpio and no wonder my ex-husband said I should be living alone...lol.

Here is something for Venus in 4th House

Stephanie Camilleri:
With good aspects, this is a good place for Venus. There will be great pleasure in the home, much love and sharing. There is a love of family and of family tradition, an interest in roots and heritage, which may include history, wealth, nobility, things in which we can take pride. The father is usually handsome, charming, easy-going, or fun-loving. It is a partial testimony to daughters, sisters, and female relatives, usually attractive, fun-loving and artistic.
The home environment is very important to these people, who will be inclined to spend a large portion of the money available to them on it, painting, cleaning, restoring, adding on, and renewing. They are more inclined to enjoy staying home or entertaining at home than going out. They may even have a business in their home or a workshop, or work out of thier home in some way. It is a partial testimony to success in real estate, landscaping, gardening, or inn-keeping.
Without stress aspects, it indicates a happy childhood with indulgent parents and a peaceful, happy old age.
With difficult aspects, however, this house is not such a good place for Venus. The angularity is intense, so that difficulties are magnified. The early environment may be pleasurable or exciting in some way, but too hectic, confused, or unstable. The father may be not only indulgent, but self-indulgent as well, and get into financial difficulties. He may be too fun-loving, drink, or have affairs. Either the childhood home or the father (or both) may be lost, leaving a bittersweet memory of a time and place that is gone forever. A self-indulgent mother may dominate the home environment.
In any case, whatever problems this angular Venus may bring with hard aspects, it generally forces them to rebuild their personal set of values from the ground up. Something is wrong with the value system inherited from the family, and they must re-examine everything in light of personal experience and study in order to re-evaluate goals, lifestyle, and basic attitudes. A stressed fourth house Venus forces one to grow and keep growing throughout life. At first there may be some unfortunate experiences; but, as they live and learn, they pass through many stages and come at last to a much better understanding of life. It is a strong testimony for wisdom in old age, however painful or pleasant the means of acquiring it, and for the contentment that wisdom brings.

posted October 15, 2006 03:36 PM              

Since my last post, I've been thinking about this, and why those interpretations for a Moon in the 4th House explained SOME things so accurately. I figured it's because my Moon is in Cancer (Cancer is Ruled by the Moon).

Kamilla -

I've got a new curiousity. Thank you for those excerpts on Venus in the 4th House. Dreyer's part about

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these individuals may seek out partners whom they believe will provide what they have lacked; instead, their choices often eerily mirror their mothers and / or fathers

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I think it's part of everyone's psychology, but maybe with harsh Aspects to Venus, it creates BLINDERS so that yeah, we keep getting a different version of the same thing, but somehow the Venus plays part in continually making this a challenge (whereas others would realize and then learn from their mistakes quicker).

The thing is, I don't see what one would usually consider a "harsh" Aspect to my Venus. I've got Venus Sextile Neptune, & Venus Conjunct Pluto. I want to address this because my earlier thinking was that of Venus creating "blinders" if afflicted. But perhaps although I have a Sextile to Neptile, it increases the dreamy quality, perhaps too much. I don't know where to look next. Anyone have any ideas?

And as for Conjunct Pluto, it may increase any desire to think differently than the family. I have a Scorpio Stellium in the 6th, so this may be important.

The Camilleri excerpt had a lot of things really straight, it reflected the good of what I gather from my 4th House, but also very accurate about the challenges

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it generally forces them to rebuild their personal set of values from the ground up. Something is wrong with the value system inherited from the family, and they must re-examine everything in light of personal experience and study in order to re-evaluate goals, lifestyle, and basic attitudes. A stressed fourth house Venus forces one to grow and keep growing throughout life. At first there may be some unfortunate experiences; but, as they live and learn, they pass through many stages and come at last to a much better understanding of life. It is a strong testimony for wisdom in old age, however painful or pleasant the means of acquiring it, and for the contentment that wisdom brings.

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Wow ... see, that quote has to do with "difficult aspects" to Venus, and I don't have any that are so obvious. Yet, that quote is my life in a nutshell. Rebuilding values from the ground up, examining in light of PERSONAL EXPERIENCES. These two points made even more intense by a Jupiter/Saturn Conjunct in Capricorn in the 9th House, and also by MC & South Node in Aquarius, and a Uranus Singleton in Leo in the 4th House.

Does anyone have an opinions of a "challenging Aspect" to Venus when it comes to the Semisextile and the Semisquare?

I DO write more often about how Chiron is feels important to my Chart, and I do have a Venus Opposite Chiron.