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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted December 02, 2006 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering what does it mean that my boyfriend's Vertext is almost (by 1 or 2 degrees) conjunct my Arabic Part of Love and that my Vertex is almost conjunct (6 degrees apart) his North Node?

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posted December 03, 2006 01:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know much about Arabic Parts but what you described sounds kind of good... how do you find the Part of Love? What other Parts are important in relationships?

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posted December 03, 2006 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try this website, i hope it opens. Its an Arabic Parks calculator and i do all my parts there
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php

I still havnt found out which parts mean what but it seems cool and im trying to find out more. There is also a midpint calcultor if you want
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/midpoints/index.php

Hope it works

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posted December 03, 2006 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know there is part of marriage of a woman, which for me is conjunct his DC and Arabic part of a man which is conjunct my DC. But i dont know if thats the commonly used one there is just Arabic Part of Marriage and stuff like that

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posted December 03, 2006 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


arabic parts are pretty much planetary pictures that Uranian Astrologers use.

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posted December 03, 2006 03:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool, thanks for the info!

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posted December 03, 2006 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome

Glaucus, I was wondering by what do you mean planetary pictures and what are Uranian astrologers?

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posted December 03, 2006 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not always good at explaining stuff,and so I will show you.

In his early writings in the 1920s, Witte experimented with numerous historical astrology techniques, including the astrological houses, planetary formulae similar to 'Arabic parts', and planetary rulership systems. His approach to astrology was to verify or deny assumptions by means of observation rather than rely on astrological traditions. Witte also proposed the existence of hypothetical trans-Neptunian objects, which are considered essential to the practice of Uranian astrology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranian_astrology

A planetary picture is a combination of three or more zodiacal elements around a common axis. The meanings of each of these many possible combinations are well known to the Uranian astrologer. These combinations were first published in the United States by Hans Niggemann and reflect the technology, views, and interests of the World War I era. I have modernized many of these definitions to reflect the current technologies and interests of the world, and they are presented later in this chapter.

As an example of equation-manipulation using the dial, let’s suppose that in a given horoscope, the midpoint of A + B is the same us the midpoint of C + D. This could come about on the 90° Dial when two planets ten degrees apart share the same midpoint with two planets twenty degrees apart. As an illustration see figure 4: the Sun is at 20° Aries and the Moon is at 10° Cancer (both Cardinal signs, of course, read in the same third of the dial). The actual midpoint is at 0° Gemini, but appears to be at 15° of the Cardinal segment on the 90° Dial, diametrically across the dial from 0° of the Mutables.

Let us further suppose that Venus is at 25° Aries and Mars is at 5° Capricorn. The actual midpoint of Venus and Mars is at 0° Virgo, but appears to be at 15° of the Cardinal segment on the 90° Dial.

Both sets of midpoints share a common axis, and this presents a specific planetary picture for the hypothetical horoscope. Note also that the resultant 5° arc opening between the Sun and Venus is the same as the arc opening between the Moon and Mars, on the 90° Dial.

In shorthand notation, the preceding example can be expressed as
Su/Mo = Ve/Ma

which really means
Su + Mo = Ve + Ma
2 2

which can also be expressed as
Su + Mo = Ve + Ma

Returning to the rule of an equation, we can subtract Venus from both sides, resulting in the Planetary Picture
Su + Mo - Ve = Ma

Similarly, we can subtract Mars from both sides of
Su + Mo = Ve + Ma

to obtain the Planetary Picture
Su + Mo - Ma = Ve

To the Uranian astrologer, these two planetary pictures have different meanings.
http://www.arlenekramer.com/uranian_system.asp


This also explains planetary pictures
http://www.alabe.com/symast2.html


I prefer Cosmobiology over Uranian Astrology because it also extensively uses midpoints but no hypothetical planets and no planetary pictures except for

stuff like midpoint trees

for instance

My Sun = Mars/Uranus = Pluto/MC = Jupiter/Pluto
45 degree series which can be seen on a 90 degree dial with conjunctions,squares,and oppositions appearing as conjunctions. semisquares and sesquiquadrates appear as oppositions


The school of astrology known as Cosmobiology was founded in the late 1930s by a German astrologer named Reinhold Ebertin (1901-1988) who was a student of the founder of the Hamburg School of Astrology Alfred Witte (1878-1941). The main difference between the two schools is that Cosmobiology rejects the hypothetical Trans-Neptunian objects used by the Hamburg School and later Uranian astrologers. Another difference is the significant expansion of Cosmobiology into medical astrology, Dr Ebertin being a physician.

Cosmobiology continued Alfred Witte's later primary emphasis on the use of astrological midpoints along with the following 8th-harmonic aspects in the natal chart because he considered them to be the most potent in terms of personal influence: conjunction (0°), semi-square (45°), square (90°), sesquiquadrate (135°), and opposition (180°). Today, Uranian astrologers often extend to using the 16th harmonic (the aspects first proposed by Johannes Kepler), thus including the semi-octile (22.5°) and its multiples (45°, 67.5°, 90°, 112.5°, 135°, 157.5°).

In cosmobiological analysis, planets are inserted into a special type of horoscope often referred to as a 'Cosmogram' (derived from the Uranian 90° dial chart) and delineated.

The primary reference/research text for Cosmobiology was first published in 1940 by the German astrologer Reinhold Ebertin. The name of the book is The Combination of Stellar Influences. The original German title is Kombination der Gestirneinflusse. Its foundations were derived largely from the early versions of the "Regelwerk für Planetenbilder" by Alfred Witte, and then further built upon by Ebertin and colleagues.

What is noteworthy about both Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology are their emphasis on critical analysis and testing by observing more clearly measurable or observable astrological correlations, rather than to simply perpetuate observations or assumptions written in historical astrological texts, a problem leading to widespread criticism of mainstream Classical Astrology. For this reason, both Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology are more likely to qualify as sciences, despite widespread historical biases against astrology due to the ambiguities of the still widely-used. Some have speculated that the term "Cosmobiology" was coined specifically to divorce its precepts from the manifold ambiguities of, and subsequent widespread biases against, Classical Astrology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmobiology


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posted December 03, 2006 05:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey I've been playing with the Arabic Parts calculator... some spooky coincidences so far! I need to get more detailed (ie house placements, my bf's chart, etc) but so far I've found that my Part of Astrology is EXACTLY CONJUNCT my Venus in Gemini, which is conjunct my bf's Venus, and it's through him that I've gotten more "serious" about astrology than I used to be... my Part of Love is conjunct his midheaven, and my Part of Marriage is conjunct our composite moon in one calculation, and in the other calculation it's conjunct his AC! My Part of Energy/Sex Drive is also conjunct his moon. That's just for a start and I haven't looked any deeper than that, but wow I'm *almost* freaked out by it!

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posted December 03, 2006 06:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been playing around with this too but have no clue what it means.

my marriage point is
aquarius 23°9

yet I have NO AIR in my chart so i wonder how that plays out

it is sextile my Moon in Aries 21°54'40 with a with 1°55 orb

sextile my Venus in Sagittarius 21°11'10 with 1°98 orb

square Saturn Scorpio 18°31'12 with 4°78 orb

square True Node in Taurus 27°26'17 with 4°17 orb

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posted December 03, 2006 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thats awesome you guys. I was trying to see more into it and i got some info on certain arabic parts. Like part of mother is supposed to tell you either your mom's overall behavior or her actual sun sign. And my part of mother is Leo, which is what my mom's sun is. I was thoroughly freaked out by that. I definately want to know what exactly those things mean. But i find arabic parts fascinating...on a lighter note someone please explain to me why im flunking Astronomy...seriously this is soooooo pathetic especially since it used to be my favorite subject for most of my life...i have an exam tomorrow and i just fell asleep while studying...ugh

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posted December 03, 2006 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm my bf's Arabic Part of Destiny is in his 5th house in Cancer conjunct my Mercury, Mars and MC.

My arabic part of destiny is also in my 5th house in Pisces conjunct his Jupiter and my Juno.

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posted December 03, 2006 08:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok... my bf always told me that the Arabic Parts were extremely accurate... which is one reason I wanted to avoid them - didn't want to be too curious and find out if or when I might get assassinated or have my head cut off.

Now that I've been playing with this calculator some more, I see it is sooo spooky! Here are the new things I've found:

My Part of Mother conjunct my mother's sun
My Part of Father conjunct my Mars, in my 4th house - this is significant because my parents divorced when I was three.
My Part of Benefic Change conjunct my bf's sun
My Part of Love conjunct his midheaven
My Part of Marriage conjunct his ASC
His Part of Love exactly conjunct my Jupiter in the 5th
His Part of Desire in my 8th
His Part of Marriage exactly conjunct my Sun (in the 5th)

Two alternative calculations for my Part of Marriage fall in his 9th house (my ASC is also the cusp of his 9th) - I'm told the 9th house relates to the second marriage.

(As a reality check, I compared all of this with the charts of other men I know or have met - and none of these Parts play any part in my relationships with them whatsoever! This makes the interplay between me and my bf's charts even more eye-opening)... Now I'm curious are there Parts for "good marriage" and "bad marriage"??? Am I actually going to marry him??? Does the fact that we live together mean that we are already "married"?

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posted December 03, 2006 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OH MAN GEMINILOVER!! My parents were divorced when i was 3 as well and my part of father is conjunct my Jupiter in 7th...ehh...and north node...wow....

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posted December 04, 2006 12:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yah the AP lover was leo 6°38 which is conjuct my gfs asc 8°00..with 1°42 orb

my AP lover is also trine her venus aries with 0°05 orb! Holy crap that is a small orb! so is that real intense and what does it mean!?

sextile her gem mars with 3°49 orb

but square her sun with 3°24 orb


my eccentricity is cap 8°42 and is trine her sun with 2°20 orb and trine her moon with 0°28 orb. I do act rather weird with her . bit square her aries venus with 2°09 orb.

energy sex drive in sag 1°52 opp. her mars in gemini with 0°57 orb. trine aries venus 4°41 orb. trine leo asc 6°08 orb.

my partner AP 19°47 trine her sag uranus 2°25 and trine mercury aries 6°28. opp jupiter aqua 4°45

wedding AP in aqua 10°13 conjuct her aqua descendent with 2°13 orb.

ahhh i can't do more of this need to google what it all means

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posted December 04, 2006 01:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG, that's amazing about your parents divorcing when you were three! Did Jupiter in your 7th already hold some significance for you in relation to that? Because Mars in my 4th always reflected my father to me - trouble in my early life (that I don't even remember - probably my parents arguing), and I heard somewhere that the fourth house relates to the father and men in general. So Mars in my fourth always had that significance to me... and now there it is plain to see, conjunct my Part of Father! Weeeeeird...

This is all so interesting!

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Those are tight orbs, carlloydfan! The conjunctions I listed are all within five degrees, a few are only 1 or 2 degrees, and some are 0 degrees. I find all of this to be quite amazing...

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posted December 04, 2006 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes it definately has significance for me because its in the 7th house and i do aweful in one on one relationships with men. I either treat them like crap or worship them and almost always totally fear their mother (my parents divorced cuz of my paternal grandmother)...yup suckiness for my 7th house. But this is rather cool

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Wow, is your Jupiter badly aspected? My Mars is the apex of a t-square.

I just read that your Sun represents the husband... that makes me and my bf's Part of Marriage conjunction even more significant!

Have you looked at any of your bf's aspects to your sun with the Arabic Parts?

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posted December 04, 2006 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Part of Mother came out to 16 degrees Virgo.

My Mom's a Leo.

My Moon's in Virgo, but at the 29th degree.

16 degrees would fall under my 5th -Leo Ruled- house.

16 degrees Virgo is exactly my Saturn (in the 1st)/Mercury (in the 7th) midpoint.

Not sure what to make of that.

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posted December 04, 2006 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marriage of Man (1) lands right on top of my Mars in Scorpio in the 6th. 27 degrees for both, and a mere 5 minutes apart.

Marriage of Man (2) lands at Taurus 7 degrees, which would be in my 12th house.

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posted December 04, 2006 03:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, AG... I'm not sure how exact the degrees have to be in order for it to make sense. But it does make sense to me that your Part of Mother is in the same sign as your moon. Have you looked closely at the aspects to the Parts and what they might mean?

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posted December 04, 2006 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Part of Mother would square both Saturn and my Mercury as well.

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Hmm, I have no idea what that means... but my bf has a copy of the Arabic Parts book that's mentioned on the site, so I'll read through that and if I find anything of interest to this thread I will post it!

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posted December 04, 2006 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG seriously? He has that book? I would love to know more of what it all means. My Jupiter isnt really badly aspected

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