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AcousticGod
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posted December 11, 2006 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw you reply this recently:

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I believe we bring more with us to this lifetime than our charts.....

And it brought to mind something I've been thinking about:

'Bluejay' Spreads His Wings
How A Young Musical Genius Scored A Major Recording Deal

(CBS) Jay Greenberg is an American composer who some say is the greatest musical genius to come along in 200 years. He wrote five symphonies by the time he was 13 years old.

Correspondent Scott Pelley first met Jay two years ago when his works were being performed on stage; the story was seen by executives at Sony BMG, who signed Jay as a recording artist. Recently, Pelley caught up with the young composer again in Britain, where the London Symphony Orchestra was recording Jay's fifth symphony.


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Jay, who signs his works with the nickname "Bluejay," is 14 now. When he caught the ear of 60 Minutes in 2004, this remarkable boy was only 12 years old and had written a piece called "The Storm," commissioned by the New Haven Symphony in Connecticut.

He wrote every note for each and every instrument — and the really amazing part is that he wrote it in just a few hours.

Composer Sam Zyman says we haven't seen his like in probably 200 years. "We are talking about a prodigy of the level of the greatest prodigies in history when it comes to composition. I am talking about the likes of Mozart, and Mendelssohn and Saint-Saëns," he tells Pelley.

Zyman taught music theory to Jay at the Julliard School in New York, where he has been teaching 19 years.

"This is an absolute fact. This is objective. This is not a subjective opinion," Zyman says. "Jay could be sitting here, and he could be composing right now. He could finish a piano sonata before our eyes in probably 25 minutes. And it would be a great piece."

How is it possible? Jay told Pelley he doesn't know where the music comes from — but that it comes fully written, playing like an orchestra in his head.

"As you hear it playing, can you change it as it goes along? Can you say to yourself, 'Oh, let's bring the oboes in here,' or 'Let's bring the string section here?'" Pelley asks.

"No, they seem — they seem to come in by themselves if they need to," Jay replies. "It's as if the unconscious mind is giving orders at the speed of light. You know, I mean, so I just hear it as if it were a smooth performance of a work that is already written when it isn't."

Jay's parents are as surprised by his talent as anyone. Neither of them is a professional musician. His father, Robert, is a linguist, a scholar in Slavic languages who lost his sight at the age of 36 to retinitis pigmentosa. His mother, Orna, is an Israeli-born painter.

Michael, Jay's 10-year-old brother, is not a musical prodigy, but Robert and Orna remember when they figured out that Jay was.

"I think around, two, when he started writing and actually drawing instruments, we knew that he was fascinated with it," his mother explains.

At the ago of 2, she says, Jay started writing and managed to draw and ask for a cello. "I was surprised, because neither of us have anything to do with string instruments. And I didn't expect him to know what it was," Orna says.

"What a cello was?" Pelley asks.

"Right," she replies.

Orna says there was no cello in the house and that her son had never seen a cello before. But he knew he wanted one.

So his mother brought him to a music store where he was shown a miniature cello. "And he just sat there. He put the cello. And he started playing on it. And I was like, 'How do you know how to do this?'" Orna remembers.

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By age 3, Jay was still drawing cellos, but he had turned them into notes on a scale. He was beginning to compose.

"He hears music in his head all the time. And he'll start composing and he doesn't even realize it probably, that he's doing it. But the teachers would get angry, and they would call us in for emergency meetings, you know, with seven people, sitting there trying to figure out how they're going accommodate our son," Robert explains.

"Or stop him," Orna adds. In second grade, she says her son was "very problematic."

Jay has been told his hearing is many times more sensitive than an average person's. The sound of the city has to be shut out manually, but Jay can't turn off the music in his head. In fact, he told Pelley he often hears more than one new composition at a time.

"Multiple channels is what it's been termed," Jay explains. "That my brain is able to control two or three different musics at the same time, along with the channel of every day life and everything else."

By the age of 10, Jay was going to Julliard, among the world’s top conservatories of music, on a full scholarship. At age 11 he was studying music theory with third-year college students. He may be the smallest guy in class, but when the music comes up in his head, Jay has a lot of confidence about what he puts down on paper.

"Do you ever go back and say, 'No, no, no. That’s not right. This should be this way instead of that way,'" Pelley asks.

"No, I don't really ever do that," Jay replies.

Asked if he goes back to edit and revise his compositions, Jay says he doesn't need to, "because it just usually comes — it comes right the first time."

Sam Adler teaches Jay at Julliard, and he agrees Jay can be great — but only if he constantly questions his gift.

"Let's take a great genius in the musical world, someone like Beethoven. When you look at a Beethoven score, it's horrendous. He didn't have an eraser. So he had to cross it out. And it looks as if, you know, he was never satisfied. And that is something that comes with maturity. And I think that's going to happen to Jay," Adler says.

Asked if it's fair to say that there is potential, Adler says, "Absolutely."

Jay's studies include piano lessons with Elizabeth Wolfe. But Jay told Pelley he doesn't need an instrument — only his mind — to write music.

Asked what happens when he first hears a tune rise in his head, Jay says, "Well, at first I just listen to it, and then I start humming it. And then while walking, and I like walking a lot when I am inspired. Because then I walk to the beat of the music … and I often start conducting as well.”

In 2004, Jay was not an average 12-year-old — and he knew it. Catching onto baseball isn't as natural as playing piano.

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When Pelley caught up with Jay nearly two years later at the Abbey Road Studios in London, his fifth symphony was in the hands of the London Symphony Orchestra, recording for Sony BMG.

In the studio where the Beatles recorded and the "Star Wars" films were scored, Jay heard his symphony for the first time.

Asked where he was when he first started writing his fifth symphony, Jay says, "I was in room 301 of my school staring absently at a map across — on the opposite wall — bored to distraction."

The class was history. "But don’t tell my teacher, OK,” Jay says, laughing.

"That first day, I wrote about 23 bars of the first movement during that class and then, probably about 60 or 70 bars altogether," he recalls.

The finished work runs 190 pages and 1,328 bars. Jay's role at the studio is to make sure all the notes play just as he's imagined.

Every year or two, a brilliant child pianist or genius violin player emerges. Asked where Jay ranks, Zyman says "To be a prodigy composer is far rarer. You have to conquer these issues. How do you notate this rhythm? What's the range of the oboe? Can this be played on the piano? How do you compose for the harp? There are hundreds of thousands of bits of information that you need to master to be able to write a piece of music."

Music is not the only sound Jay is listening to inside his head. He's interested in just about everything — and, for now, he sees music almost as a hobby not necessarily his destiny.

"For example, one thing — I might study physics or psychology or as I mentioned, the computer science or cartography or a lot of other things," Jay explains.

Pelley says Jay's mind makes him the most mystifying interview he has ever done. As he talks, you can see in his eyes that he's thinking about or listening to a dozen other channels.

Asked what would make him happy, Jay says, "That's a good question. Who can really define happiness?"

For Jay, happiness seems to flow from keeping his mind challenged.

Many accomplished composers spend a lifetime writing no more than five symphonies. Jay wrote his fifth at age 13. It’s impossible to know where his mind will take him — and us — but, the 60 Minutes team noticed that at the end of the recording session he was getting bored. As the orchestra played the last bars of this work, Jay pulled out his paper and started writing another.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/22/60minutes/main2205521.shtml

It's astounding, and I would say that this is a strong argument for past lives. How could he know about these instruments, and be so gifted to just start up the way he did? It's really incredible.

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posted December 11, 2006 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I saw that show.
Really cool.

They also reviewed a "memory pill"
that blocks out traumatic memories
for people with PTSD.
Also cool.

There is some interesting and convincing stuff
on past lives in Brian Weiss M.D.'s books, too.
"Many Masters, Many Lives" is the first and most famous.

I believe the things we bring with us
are visible in the chart,
but you have to have the eyes
of an expert astrologer to spot them.

If this be error,
and upon me proved,
I never writ,
nor no man ever practiced expert astrology.

hsc

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Azalaksh
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posted December 11, 2006 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya AG ~

I’ll leave it to you to decide whether my speculations are too off-the-wall or not

I’ve read that some people here are natural “receivers” for energies from other dimensions, The Other Side if you will….. That their purpose here is to “channel” inspiration, invention and knowledge to raise the level of evolvement of the collective here on Earth.

The other speculation for Bluejay’s abilities is obvious (to me) – he’s been here before as a skilled musician/composer. It’s possible that Bach or Strauss or whoever (haven’t heard the symphonies he’s written so don’t know the “style”) has returned for another shot at the ultimate in musical beauty

Interesting article – thanks for putting it up.

Steve ~

quote:
I believe the things we bring with us
are visible in the chart,
but you have to have the eyes
of an expert astrologer to spot them.
I’d like to see what you’d make of this young man’s chart….. as I believe there are attributes we possess that are not on ANY chart

Zala

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posted December 11, 2006 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,

I actually watched the show for the story you mentioned about the memory pill. I was hoping it would be something to improve memory as my girlfriend is convinced that her memory is poor. (My memory with some things sucks as well, but don't really care. )

Zala,

I just found Bluejay's story incredible... drawing instruments before he even knew what they were! He was only 2 years old! There's got to be something to that instinctual familiarity.

Both your theories are fine by me. I had an extremely trippy and disconcerting dream last night that probably couldn't have happened on this world, but I could entertain that it happened somewhere else, or in some other dimension (if dreams have any bearing on reality whatsoever).

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posted December 11, 2006 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, and I'd love to see his chart regardless of whether his talent is written in there or not.

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posted December 11, 2006 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG ~

What about your trippy and disconcerting dream – what were the elements in it??
“if dreams have any bearing on reality whatsoever” – I think they do!! I believe our “dreams” can affect and even change our “reality”…..
Had a dream the other night about moving – I seem to dream of that a lot lately, me & my son looking at new houses – and my “waking” self told my “dreaming” self to go out and look at the street & house numbers, I wanted to know the address!! Just to see what may happen in the future with those numbers…..

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posted December 11, 2006 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK Steve, anything stand out for you?? No birthtime, so noon used.....
I dig the Pisces Moon

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posted December 11, 2006 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's how I described it in an email earlier today:

Edit: Took my dream out. I plead the 5th.

Pretty gruesome stuff. I've dreampt of war before, but I don't think I've ever encountered death in a dream.

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posted December 11, 2006 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, and it didn't seem to be our Earth, because the physics of throwing up those huge blocks seems unlikely as did the way they hung in the air for longer than you'd expect. Them staying square and upright also doesn't strike me as normal.

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posted December 11, 2006 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"not normal" eh Agreed!! But many things can be un-normal in our dreams..... with the suspension of "normal" reality..... will get back to you in a bit, I'm looking for one of my books.....

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posted December 11, 2006 06:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala i totally agree with you. I also feel that the chart can only give an indication of might be there. we can be more than our charts. we have to be more than our charts! we r living, learning, evolving human beings!! how can the complex circuitry of your brain, be captured in terms of a handful of planets and their positions. a percentage of it, yes. but not all of it. just like the conscious mind taps only into a very small percentage of the power available to the human mind.

ok, i guess its getting very vague

abt the chart: i see tht it has a weird sort of symmetry about it.(but may be tht was inevitable since all the planets r bunched up in almost exactly half of it. neptune and uranus aspects to moon in pisces.

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posted December 11, 2006 06:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
u knw wht, sometimes it seems to me tht whn we do a chart analysis like this, we 'look' for things in an attempt at explaining away wht we already see in the person. its like saying, uh-oh, he has these aspects, no wonder he is so talented. forgetting all this while tht thr might hv been other kids born at the same time, with probably exactly similar charts, but who r not musical prodigies. its like we r undermining tht person in some way, like we r reducing a human being to his chart.

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posted December 11, 2006 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said, ILWL!!! We ARE continually evolving and changing.....

A natal chart is a road-map of potential – a good road-map, but not complete, and lacking minute detail. A birth chart and transits can show topography and weather systems, but not how we will deal with them. The same birth chart could be for me, for my cat, or for the Accounting firm down the street. Those inborn potentials can be realized or lie dormant. Those potentials can be used or abused. These potentials and challenges are a puzzle, or a maze, we must navigate, endure, overcome, or rise above. I think we have the cosmic setup we do because we need help learning our lessons Saturn, Uranus and Pluto are the experts at blowing something undesirable to smithereens so we can build a better life for ourselves. I also think that once you've grappled with and come to terms with an aspect in your chart, then it, or transits to it, don't affect you as much as they will if you are still living in/with your issue.

My brother and a friend of his were born less than an hour apart in the same hospital – they are totally different beings. What then accounts for this?? It has to be something else we bring to the table as spiritual beings having a human experience, as well as the nurturing we receive and family environment we’re raised in…..

I see a tendency here at this forum of doing exactly what you said: reducing a human being to his chart. But that’s the way we learn when we’re in kindergarten Yet people are more than the sum of their parts. And as humans we don't yet understand the workings and integration of all those separate parts. Taking something apart, naming and codifying each piece as to its nature and function, then putting it back together with an eye toward blending the code-names of all the parts is exactly what we do in Astrology, is it not? Yet does it really help us get any closer to an understanding of the *entire* organism?

Zala

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posted December 11, 2006 07:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Zala for your lovely reply. a post from one of the people i respect on this forum means a lot to me

You know, what you said about astrology is soo very true. in fact, i feel like i have outgrown some of the stuff i used to dig earlier. what i am ultimately interested in is, how astrology can help me uncover patterns in this chaos, how we can make some sense out of what happens in our lives. for example what a pluto transit really means in a higher sense. (i found those lectures by liz greene that HD posted sooo intriguing). kind of trying to link astrology with spirituality. tht's the kind of stuff that i really like.

In fact, i had a favor to ask of you. i noticed that u dug up some threads on NN once. i forgot to save them then. i tried very hard to find them again, but have lost them. if u have them handy somewhr, can u post them again here. ie, if u can find them without having to search through the archives...infact any old links to threads that were really good in your opinion, but which might have been missed by newbies like me.

thanks
ILWL

*edit* what you said about the whole being more than the sum of its parts....reminds me of psychology. and it shud, bcoz both astrology and psychology r an attempt at understanding the complexities in human beings. i really like Jungian psychology too. I cant help feeling that some day all these branches will merge into one coherent body of knowledge. i mean, i dont think our understanding of the mysteries of the human mind is ever going to be complete. but that we will discover the missing connections between all these seemingly diverse branches of study.

*edit*

You have expressed the last para so well....its almost poetic

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Saturn, Uranus and Pluto are the experts at blowing something undesirable to smithereens so we can build a better life for ourselves.

loved this line too...

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posted December 11, 2006 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which NN threads would you like?? Where's yours (sign/house)?? I have a bunch of Chiron stuff too..... And have you visited the Cool Links thread that I try to keep bumped up when I can??
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006272.html

Between us, HD and I have a lot of Liz Greene typed out -- is there anything of hers in particular that you're interested in?? Wanna read up on your Saturn by Liz (need sign/house)?? Or Neptune?? Liz isn't always easy to get through, so I jump at the chance to expose her to those who've expressed an interest and can handle the slog

**edit** Hey thanks for the "poetic" kudos -- occasionally I do express things well (**modesty & humility brought to you by a Leo Asc**)

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posted December 11, 2006 07:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Zala!

my NN is in Leo in 1st house.

Saturn...want to know all about saturn aspects to Venus, and sun too. Saturn is in 3rd/Libra for me. And the ruler of my DC. Neptune, Uranus in 5th. Pluto, now tht one goes really deep. I am not sure i have understood it at all. I have Pluto aspects to Sun and Asc, and still not sure what they really mean. HD mentioned about Chiron transits, but that is another one i dont really have a feel for.

Actually, i am interested in pretty much everything tht's Liz Greene tht i can lay my hands on (or mouse on, as the case may be ). I did ask HD for some more stuff, and he directed me to links tht i devoured But Liz needs more than one reading to really sink in

I will check out the cool links thread.

*edit* hehe, your comments in italics always crack me up

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posted December 11, 2006 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(**we loves being the Entertainment Committee** )

If you like Liz, you may like Erin Sullivan too -- here's a couple excerpts from her book "Saturn in Transit", do you have Adobe Reader?? Rotate them counterclockwise one notch instead of turning your head 90 degrees to the right

Intro to Saturn in Transit
The Personal Heroic Journey

Will work on some of your other requests

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posted December 11, 2006 08:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala, thanks a ton!! that was real quick! for a moment i thought u had a cancer asc...but its leo....mine is like 27 degree cancer... Doesn't HD also have saturn in libra in 3rd?

i forgot to mention in my last post- i have neptune singleton in 5th - its the only fire in my chart other than the NN, which isnt really a planet. also, it is virtually unaspected....just a sextile to pluto which is a generational aspect. do u think tht's significant? wud Liz or somebody else have something to say abt it?

ILWL

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posted December 11, 2006 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Doesn't HD also have saturn in libra in 3rd?
Yep, shall we start a CyberLocal Saturnine Chapter??

Re: Neptune/Pluto sextile -- I'm a member of one too, but Pluto in Leo, Neptune in Libra..... is your chart posted somewhere here??

I think Liz does have something to say about that -- in her book "The Outer Planets and Their Cycles - The Astrology of the Collective". I'll see what I can scare up

Z

PS: Sorry about hijacking your thread AG, but you know how it goes.....

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posted December 11, 2006 09:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow....i was abt to suggest tht myself
hey i just posted re: saturn. wht do u think of it?

my chart is here:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p75/alpsice/chart.gif

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