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eatbooks
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posted December 22, 2006 09:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what do you think points to healing powers in a natal chart? sun conj. pluto sounds about right but what about other aspects? pluto in the 8th?

also what gives someone a healing touch or presence?

is it only pluto influenced folks? or do you think theres other indicators?


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posted December 22, 2006 10:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would look at Chiron for healing qualities.

The difficulty that comes with a strong Chiron in the natal chart, however, is sometimes the inability to heal yourself.

I have Chiron:
opp. Sun
conj. Moon
opp. Mercury
biquintile Venus
square Mars
square Jupiter
opp. Saturn
opp. Uranus
trine NN

I tend to attract people who need help or are the dependent types. So I spend a lot of time giving advice, and healing people. But at the end of the day I sometimes feel drained and unable to keep myself in a good place.
I think with age I will be able to better use my Chiron abilities without sacrificing myself.

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Salisa
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posted December 22, 2006 10:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think another indicator can be chiron and neptune as they are both associated with healing. hmmmm maybe even ceres.
My father can heal people with his hands he has moon in 12th
pluto in 12th house
Moon conjunct pluto
Pluto conjunct Leo AC
moon conjunct AC
pluto trine chiron
chiron trine AC
Chiron trine Moon
Chiron sextile neptune
Sun in scorpio
Sun square pluto

The only trait I wished that I had was my fathers was his healing ability.
I have some healing ability but its second rate compared to his. (he's better with physical healing I'm better with emotional)
Here are mine:

Pluto in 2nd or 3rd house
Moon in 7th or 8th house
Pluto sextile Virgo AC
Chiron square AC
Chiron conjunct MC
Chiron trine moon
Chiron trine jupiter
Pluto biquintile Chiron
Ceres 0 degree cancer trine pluto

sigh..... my positions and aspects aren't much compaired to his(in terms of healing) . how annoying.....

I would guess the most powerful positions for pluto in healing would be the 4th,6th,8th,and 12th
and maybe linked to the signs virgo, cancer and pisces.

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posted December 22, 2006 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

i've always had a "healing" touch-my natal Pluto ascends in Leo in the 12th, Chiron in Sag in the 4th...don't know what these positions show in relation to the topic. What I have noticed is I can sort of 'randomly' heal? and people have had a strong reaction to this so I tend not to do this very much.
For instance, used to attend a 'bible thumper' of a little church. Great Christian aerobics and loud singing...the kids could be a little wiggly and loud there..the pastors wife was a great complainer and often complained about her back problem. She did not approve of me for some reason LOL & during healing services I did not get to 'lay hands on her'. In fact she was good at evading me. One time as we were leaving church, I maneuvered behind her and laid my hand on her back and felt the healing go into her-She made a big sigh and turned around. When she saw me and knew it was me she was saying'no..not from you! Why from you?' Weird, huh?

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posted December 22, 2006 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dad has quite powerful healing abilities. He gives hands-on healing to relieve all kinds of physical and even emotional pain.

His placements:

Moon R6 conj SN conj Pars Fortunae conj Chiron in Scorpio in the 8th square Pluto opp. asteroid Reiki

Sun conj Selena in Cancer in the 5th trine Chiron

Ceres in Cancer in the 4th trine Moon (Sco) and asteroid Panacea (Pisc) conj Mercury (which rules hands), sextile asteroid Reiki (Tau)

ASC in Aqua conj BML conj asteroid Panacea

Pluto conj Saturn conj Vesta in Leo in the 6th

asteroid Reiki conj NN in Taurus in the 2nd

asteroid Panacea in Pisces in the 1st sextile Reiki

asteroid Aesculapia in Libra exactly conj Neptune co-R 1 in the 7th

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posted December 22, 2006 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen healing mentioned in my chart numerous times, but I forget what aspect it was. Mars in Scorpio in the 6th (sextile Moon in Virgo)? I'm not sure.

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william
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posted December 22, 2006 01:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i find that neptune sextile to pluto can have healing powers if there is a conscious planet conjunct one of them.also a pattern with a opposition and two other planets sextile seems to be asscoiated with healing.that is a pattern is like one half a grand sextile ,a opposition with two sextiles on the same side.the planets envolved don't seem to matter but a sextile of pluto and neptune makes this pattern a healing force almost always.
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AcousticGod
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posted December 22, 2006 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm... I have the Neptune sextile Pluto as well with Moon conjunct Pluto and Venus conjunct Neptune.

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posted December 22, 2006 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto is regenerational, not healing. Ceres is a nourishing, like the moon. Chiron is the healer and wounder. Neptune is also a healer due to its associations with pisces

Neptune sextile Pluto is a generational aspecct, so its nothing to get excited about.

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Salisa
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posted December 22, 2006 03:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think he was saying the neptune pluto aspect it self has the power of healing, but that it can be triggered and the power of the aspect can be taken from a generational stage to a personal one.

And I do believe pluto can be healing by its power of regeneration & transformation, is healing not transformation and regeneration. after all what is healing if not the ability to tranform illness into health and if we do not regenerate we do not heal. Pluto can be many thigs and healing is one of them. Not in the healing sence of neptune but still.

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posted December 22, 2006 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you put it that way, pluto can be healing, however you need that step of regeneration/transformation to get to it. Chiron itself for what I know is about healing bluntly.

Nep sex pluto - can be if it is in the more personal houses maybe or like you say a triggering through transits.

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Maire31
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posted December 23, 2006 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maire31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do well in terms of healing others emotionally, unfortunately I haven't been as successful turning this inwardly, still working on that...sigh.

I've got Pluto conj Asc opposing Chiron conj Desc with Neptune sextiling Pluto, trine Chiron. My Moon also sextiles Pluto and trines Chiron & Venus. Everything is water, except Pluto which is Virgo. Healing feels natural for me, even when I was a kid.

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Sweet Stars
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posted December 23, 2006 10:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know but I have the ability to heal with my hands sometimes. When someone is sick I do some astral travel (I think that's what I do) and perform some healing type stuff on them. Lately it's gotten stronger after my Uncle had a stroke. I wouldn't sleep at night because I was busy trying to heal him. Now the white lights shoot out of my hands and I feel vibrations.

It was a very bad stroke

But he's feeling excellent now


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Sweet Stars
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posted December 23, 2006 10:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my chart:


http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=f5afilevajJqe-u1121319007&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=1&nho2=3&btyp=2&mth=gw&sday=26&smon=12&syr=2006&hsy=0&zod=&orbp=&rs=&add=18&add=19&add=20&add=22& add=12&add=13&add=14&add=15&add=23&add=136199&node=-Yn&ast=433


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Gemini Nymph
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posted December 24, 2006 09:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your chart expired. You need to save it in photobucket or some place similar and then repost it.

I have healing power too, but I don't recall what in my chart indicates that.

I do have 1H Pluto sextile 3H Jupiter-Neptune conjunction. The conjunction is disassociated, with Jup in Sco and Nep in Sag, which makes my Nep a fire singleton. Also Neptune rules my 7H Pisces moon, which opposes my 1H Pluto.

There was something other than the Pluto-Neptune-Moon theme in my chart, but I've forgotten what it was. Chiron is exact conjunct Eris in 8H my chart and opposes 1H Uranus, forming a Kite with my air Grand Trine. Perhaps that's something.

There was also something with an asteriod or some fixed star or something. I do have Anubis conjunct my MC, and that's suppose to indicate someone who can see into the afterlife and draw insight and power - there's suppose to be a healing connection with that. Vesta also is associated with healing, and it's in Aqua, 5h, trine my Venus and square my Sun-moon midpoint.

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Maire31
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posted December 24, 2006 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maire31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GemNymph, I was reading your post and noticed your mention of Eris. Can you share any info/links on Eris? Haven't a clue as to its meaning/influence. I went to see where mine was and found Eris is 10'21 Aries/8th conjunct my Aries Sun at 10'25. Should also add Aries Merc is 11'23.

I also looked at Ceres, after reading 23's mention of it. My Ceres is conjunct my Asc & Pluto with Moon sextiling it as well.

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eatbooks
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posted December 25, 2006 10:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Gemini Nymph
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posted December 25, 2006 11:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Merry Christams!

Maire - since Eris is very recent and newly named, it's still being debated. It's one of the trans-Pluto planets recently discovered. Zane Stein has been the leading astrologer on many of the newer, small bodies in current astrology. This is the list of keyword Zane's suggesting in connection with Eris:

"Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord; pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal, belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth; contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding, swindling; society's ethics; race intent."

You can also check out Zane's page on Eris - lots of info about Eris astronomically and mythologically, but as you can see, astrologers are still working this one out: http://zanestein.com/Trans-pluto.htm#UB313

One thing on that page (ot's about midway down) I find interesting is the connection with Eris to the dialetic process made by John Halloran. This is the letter Zane posted in his scetion:

"It appears that the philosopher Hegel saw the evolutionary stage that is beyond Pluto.
Hegel saw the dialectic between thesis and antithesis as a constructive process that leads to a higher synthesis.

There is a discussion of Hegel's ideas excerpted at:


www2.pfeiffer.edu/~lridener/courses/HEGEL.HTML
Quotes from this page:


"Dialectic is defined by Hegel as the power (or energy or force) of negativity."
"Dialectic is thus the transition of things, and of knowledge, from potentiality or abstraction to actuality and content, but in such a way that the arising of a fuller determination points beyond itself to a further determination. Every determination is both a result and a new beginning, concrete and abstract, for it occurs within a process of the becoming of a thing (or of knowledge), and hence is concrete relative to the origin of the process but abstract relative to the telos of the whole process. A thing becomes more and more fully developed through this successive dialectic of self-reconstruction."

So discord is part of a constant on-going dialectic process of maturation, of leaving behind one-sided viewpoints and partial truths. It shakes up the status quo and says that a more complete perspective is necessary.

Regards,

John Halloran"

That's all heady stuff to digest I know. But interesting. I think for now we can simply look to Eris as an indicator of progress and further growth. It's trans-Pluto, so that this progress is "beyong Pluto" as Halloran siggests, seems logical. So it's a growth that extend past Pluto's transfiguring power - could healing be involved with that? Certainly.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted December 25, 2006 11:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for Ceres, that's mainly nurturing, mothering and maternal protection/guidence, but I suppose healing can factor in with those virtues, certainly the conforting a mother brings to a child who's hurt or scared. I have Sun conjunct Ceres, and I'm good with small children and animals. I'm kindof detached and aloof in an Uranian way, but yet I can have a very conforting, protecting presence around them.

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Sweet Stars
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posted December 25, 2006 01:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's my chart again:



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posted December 25, 2006 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The difficulty that comes with a strong Chiron in the natal chart, however, is sometimes the inability to heal yourself.

Tell me about it.
My Chiron is the handle on a bucket configuration.
It is part of a T-Square,
involving a second opposition (to a stellium!!!),
so, it's almost a Grand FIXED Cross.

Chiron in Square (1st house!) Moon
Chiron Opposition Sun
Chiron Opposition Venus
Chiron Opposition MC
Chiron Opposition Uranus
Chiron closely Square Jupiter
(Jupiter opposes moon and squares solar stellium)

Chiron recieves no significant easy aspects,
but trines chart ruling Saturn by 5 degrees.

It's in the 3rd house,
and has affected my integration.
I create and heal with my words.
I offer profound understanding and advice.

I'm a classic wounded healer.
I attract wounded birds and patch them up,
but can't seem to get my own act off the ground.
... Yet.

HSC

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posted December 26, 2006 12:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Yod in my chart,
involving Chiron quincunx
both Pluto and Neptune.
Chiron quincunx Pluto,
Chiron quincunx Neptune,
Pluto sextiles Neptune,
Chiron opposition Mars, (apex)
Mars-stationary direct
Neptune-stationary-retrograde
Pluto-retrograde.
Pluto-1st degree
Neptune-1st degree
Chiron-29th degree
Mars-29th degree
anarethic degrees...
Pluto-4th house, Scorpio
Neptune-5th house, Capricorn
Chiron-11th house, Taurus
Mars-5th house, Scorpio

Does this indicate
a strong healing power?

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sue g
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posted December 26, 2006 01:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto in the 6th - Pluto in the sixth house

With Pluto in the Sixth House opportunities for transforming or regenerating yourself may come through your career, or working environment. Concentrating much energy, will-power and discipline into your chosen profession will bring financial gain, recognition and social status. Ways of improving health should be sought - adhering to a correct diet, proper exercise and a positive mental attitude could dramatically enhance your life. Many with this placing of Pluto possess inherent spiritual healing powers.

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william
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posted December 26, 2006 01:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi all.
i have studied the charts of healer a little.
i have hands on healing power and was long assocaited with a "astral healer".
i would like to do charts of healer if any of you would sent me dobs.i'll sent back or post the results.astrozod,using hotmail.com.
pluto is definetly a healing power own its own.the problem is that many times one does not focus on its power until something has already caused dis-ease.
also if one doesnot beleive in healing powers then the most power aspects are meaningless.modern western culture on the whole does not prepare our personalities for the use of healing force.
acoustic god:those look like healing aspects to me,it becomes a question of personality structure whether they manifest or not.
william

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Salisa
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posted December 27, 2006 04:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would love to here your thoughts william. Here's my dob 6/11/1985 11:57am Fairfield CA
and my fathers dob 11/4/1950 1:06 pm Atlanta GA

Thanks

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