posted January 01, 2007 11:24 AM              

So seeing I'm a Plutonian type (1H Pluto aspecting both lumaries and 4 other planets),I brought up mine, and yeah, intriguing placements: Right on the 5H cusp, exact quincunx my 10H Merc, trine my ASC and semisextile my Mars-Aphrodite-NN.

I found this interesting article on Persephone: http://www.llewellynjournal.com/article/1092

She only interprets Persephone through the houses, but it's a start.

Some tidbits:

"Where she shows up in our natal chart can be a place we look at to see and discover for ourselves where we feel taken captive and where we feel we have not been allowed to be ourselves."

"There is no reason for us to wander around lost in our own landscape. We can reclaim ourselves and our natural power, be in charge of our lives, make our own choices, and we do not ever need to ask anyone’s permission to be ourselves. That is the gift of Persephone to us down through the ages; she reminds us that if we don’t make our own decisions, someone else will. And they may not be decisions we want, or agree with.

Once we realize that we can burst out of our captivity anytime we choose, we can bring any area of our existence that was taken over by another back to new life. We can have confidence that we can make decisions for ourselves, and once we act on them, we change our lives for the better at once."

At first this made me sad. I do have a lot of trouble expressing my 5H, and I do tend to let other people exert power over me in that area. This is particularly the case with my past experiences with abuse and how that has effected my creativity and my desire to have children. Painful things to think about, but also potentially empowering, seeing a great deal of my healing has to do with reclaiming my own power and asserting my ability to make decisions for myself.

I hope this can be of interest to others, perhaps other Plutonians or others who are healing from past abuse.

And yes, 399 is the asteriod number for Persephone.

Here's to healing and growth in the new year!

posted January 01, 2007 12:04 PM              

Sorry to hear about your problems...abuse is a horrible thing and it always makes me sad to hear of anyone who has been treated badly as a child

Love and healing to you.....can send you some reiki if you like....do you have a pic anywhere?

posted January 01, 2007 12:11 PM              

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Ninth House: we may be afraid to practice any other religious belief besides the one we were raised in as children

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posted January 01, 2007 12:17 PM              

I used to find that difficult, and now I work for myself I dont have to contend with that!

posted January 01, 2007 12:26 PM              

*rolls eyes*

I am not doing well with this area of my chart..

posted January 01, 2007 01:32 PM              

Mine is at 9 degrees Pisces in my 6th house.

I've yet to embark on a 'serious' career, but since it is in the 'Virgoan' sixth house; I wonder if it would also include daily habits (eating, health, hygiene, and etc); loss of control there...now that would definately make sense to me.

Ironically, Persephone is conjunct my Ceres (also in 6th house)...yes, I suffered from an E.D. (I have been fine for a couple of years now )...I admit, I still have other habits, but...this really got me thinking...

posted January 01, 2007 02:33 PM              

I have persephone in the 1st, and I agree with the description. It came as a bit of a shock though, but in a good way . My parents have very strong characters, and throughout my childhood and adolescence, I really never knew who I was, except be a sort of conduit for my parents, especially my mum. Whatever they said, criticism or praise, affected me very deeply, and my sense of who I was was dependent on them. I certainly understand it now.
She always unknowingly tried to control me - to do things her way, and seldom, if never let me free reign of my individual expression. I don't really blame her, though, because she's no good at human psychology and doesn't understand that stifling individuality is detrimental to metal wellbeing. But now I never let it bother me that much - I won't call myself rude (though she sometimes does), but i'll speak up for myself, and won't allow any stifling of my self anymore. My mum and me have Mar in Sag both, so we tend to be honest in our opinions, and love to "fight" it out. (But it honestly isn't as bad as it sounds here ).

posted January 01, 2007 02:36 PM              

i have Persephone in my first house conjunct my Ascendant Virgo between 2 degrees.

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"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted January 01, 2007 02:37 PM              

Missa I agree with you

having it conj. my AC is frustrating.

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted January 01, 2007 02:42 PM              

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted January 01, 2007 02:49 PM              

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Unless you can explore different avenues of expression and embark on your own life experiences, you may remain hidden and in the dark about that most important person, namely yourself.

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posted January 01, 2007 02:55 PM              

Could I ask you something....our son has this asteroid Persephone in 9th house in Aqua sitting right on top of Uranus. Can you give me your feeling around this?

You read his chart for me before and it was dead on,,,,cant forget what you said about him being "lippy"....oh my is he ever!!!???

posted January 01, 2007 03:47 PM              

(or maybe thats my lunar pisces feeling that, )

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted January 01, 2007 04:00 PM              

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If Persephone shows up in the First House of your chart, you may feel as if your basic personality, which is ruled by the First House, was never allowed free expression. Perhaps your parents were so dominating that they overpowered your sense of self and you never found out who you really are. When you aren’t allowed to feel your own feelings or think for yourself, you end up as a false imitation of someone else. A tremendous sense of emptiness and lack of self esteem follows that experience. Unless you can explore different avenues of expression and embark on your own life experiences, you may remain hidden and in the dark about that most important person, namely yourself.

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posted January 01, 2007 05:01 PM              

sue - I read your son's chart? Wow, that most have been a while ago.

I am still feeling out this whole Persephone thing myself. Aqua Uranus + 9H + Persephone. That strikes me are concerning his intellectual development and ability to find his own "intellectual identity" so to speak. To play on the idea presented in teh article about Perseph in the 9H, perhaps it'll be a particular challenge for him to form ideas about world that are truly his own, perhaps due to being obstructed by or hold down by ideas forced onto him through religion or education. I have this notion - it may not be very precise - of the kind of people I saw in college as a philosophy/theology tutor, the kind of people who had a hard time breaking away from intellectual habits they had about "big things" like life, religion, God, etc., that they had learned in their youth.

I would hazard to guess that in an *extreme* case (and this would likely depend on what else is in his chart - sorry I don't really recall it), that he could be very easily attracted to ideas of other people, in effect letting others think for him. And with the Aqua influence, such ideas can be turned around into some social mission, creating a "zealot" fervor in order to change the world and other people according to those ideas. That's proabaly a very scary thing to think about, but I can kind of see that. I know people associate Uranus and Aquarius with independence and individuality, but there's a trapping there, because Uranus/Aquarius are so paradoxical. They strive toward those ideals, but they can often acts in ways very contrary to them. Aquarius, on a deeper "shadow" level, yearns for some kind of orthodoxy to follow at its core, something that will never change, and in this sense can be very rigid. Aquarius, as Linda herself often pointed out wisely, wants to change everything but itself. With the negative side of Persephone, there may be a blickage to seeing that Aquarian rigidty that may leave your son a little more vulnerable to things like propoganda and attractive, zealous, yet narrow ideologies.

I would like to think this doesn't HAVE to be so, and certainly we know that a chart isn't fate. But I think it's good to be aware of that, and if you do see hints of intellectual rigidity in him as he goes and develops, that it may be wise to intervene with a gentle hand to encourage him to continually ask questions, to not fear being wrong or changing his viewpoint, and to try to see things from other people's point of view.

posted January 02, 2007 11:35 AM              

Very interesting and helpful

Your knowledge of astrology is very profound isnt it?

posted January 02, 2007 11:44 AM              

Seventh House: we may be dominated by our marriage or business partners;

I do tend to like dominant men.

But not to dominant. I'm not a child.

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posted January 02, 2007 11:46 AM              

Thanks GN!

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