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shirty
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posted January 04, 2007 01:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone,

I'm wondering if the following would be normal behaviour for a cancer moon that is interested in you.

He's a Libra with Cancer Moon and talks about his ex and also went to a cottage for New Year's without telling me, but I didn't make it clear that I wanted to spend it with him. Nor did I ask him why he talks about his ex.. even though he is heartbroken over that incident.

My Capricorn sun, cancer moon friend says he is probably trying to get an emotional reaction from me to see if I care about him, because I have the tendency to suppress my emotional side when I like someone.. and then I get angry when they don't know I like them, haha.

Just wondering if you've had similar experiences, because I can't tell if he is talking about his ex (and doing other similar things) because he's not interested in me, or because he wants a reaction.

She says its a form of emotional manipulation cancer moons use, but it's not meant to be harmful, it's just how they see if someone cares about them.

Ack!

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posted January 04, 2007 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My Capricorn sun, cancer moon friend says he is probably trying to get an emotional reaction from me to see if I care about him,

Ill agree with you. I have known many Cancers and they are big on saying things to get a reaction and then claim they didnt. I am personally a Scorpio moon and i admit to testing people like that. I dont like it but i would throw in information to get a reaction and if I dont get the one i want (ie jealousy) i get hurt and think they dont care about me, but I do it more subtle and less rash than going somwhere without my parner or constantly talking about my ex...i do talk about other guys though just to see wat happens. We are aweful I know. My othe friend is a Gemini Cancer and hes BIIIIIG on this one, bigger than me actually but less subtle so often guilty of overkill.

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posted January 04, 2007 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also think since hes a Libra sun it could be a way of just sharing painful experiences in order to connect with you. I only share such things with someone i trully care about. If it was him talking how good his ex was id say its 100% reaction, if its him talking about how his ex HURT him then its 80% sharing 20% reaction. But yes that is how we water sign moons see if someone cares about us...my Cancer Scorpio ex always tells me the moment ur bf starts caring 100% about u being friendly with other guys thats when u know its over...i know its his way of making me paranoid but i test that all the time.

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shirty
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posted January 04, 2007 02:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the responses!

He talks about the fact that they did have a good relationship at one point, but only up to a point where his ex started acting like a jerk. His ex dates people and then hurts them.. and moves on. So he was sharing his pain that he is dealing with. He told me about the pain like a week after I met him, so I was really appreciative of his honesty.

I am definitely glad he is honest with me, and that he is sharing how he feels.. I definitely think part of it is to see if I care though. I am thinking I should suck it up and tell him straight up that I do care for him, etc, that I'm there for him as he recovers from the ex, but I can't be a therapist either. I want to pursue a relationship.

We've only been casually dating, so I am just getting mixed signals, especially since he is so upset about the ex..

Also, he told me he was 'so glad to have met' me and that he would be fine with good friends like me.. so I took that badly, when really I should take it as a huge compliment. I have to understand he is hurt but also show that I want a relationship at some point. It's a huge juggling act for me right now.

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posted January 04, 2007 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea i think its a good sign, dont take it poorly the friends thing, thats very important to an air sign. As for mixed signals, oh my air signs are always big on these, which makes me personally mad, when i like someone EVERYONE knows (saddly) but my bf hides it well...I wish i knew better how he fealt (Gemini Capricorn Aquarius). So honesty is definately good. If you dont mind me asking, what are ur placements

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shirty
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posted January 04, 2007 02:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you for the support! hehe it's nice to have someone understand.

well funnily enough, the only air in my chart is my singleton Moon in Gemini.

my placements:
Sun Sag 5th house
Moon Gem 11th house
Mercury Sag 5th house
Venus Scorpio 4th house
Mars Pisces 8th house
Jupiter Pisces 8th house
Saturn Sag 5th house
Uranus Sag 5th house
Pluto Scorpio 4th house
Neptune Capricorn 6th house

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posted January 04, 2007 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're very welcome I actually know a Saggi Gemini and hes an awesome friend My Pluto is also in Scorpio but in 2nd house (conj my first house moon) ughhh i dont like that placement at all. Venus in Scorpio must be intense, mine's in Taurus. Were u born in 86 by any chance? My bf has the same outer planets placement? My mars is in Cancer, i really like Mars in Pisces people i know quite a few. Very sweet

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shirty
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posted January 04, 2007 03:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
awesome! yes I was born in 86 what are your bf's main placements??
I forgot to add that I have a Leo ascendant hehe.

Venus in Taurus and Mars in Cancer sounds really nice too.. i also love your libra Asc! With a Scorpio moon do you put up a lot of walls?? I'm trying to figure out what placement in my chart makes me do that.. I was thinking Venus in Scorpio, but maybe I'm wrong since the guy I'm dating has that placement as well.

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posted January 04, 2007 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancer is the Crab. When crabs grab onto something, they don't let go. So, he has a hard time letting go of his ex, even though they are no longer together. That's why he is still talking about her.

As far as emotional manipulation, it's true that cancer and especially cancer moon tend toward emotional manipulation. They can't ask outright for what they want, and they are afraid of rejection, so they tend resort to emotional manipulation.

Unfortunately for them, even when they get what they want, people end up resenting them.

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shirty
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posted January 04, 2007 04:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Belage.

Now do you have any advice as far as how to deal with it? At least I'm aware of the fact.. it's just that I have no clue how to deal with it. I don't give the emotional reaction he wants, but that doesn't seem to help me at all. Because then I'm not showing who I am, I'm hiding behind a mask.

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posted January 04, 2007 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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They can't ask outright for what they want, and they are afraid of rejection, so they tend resort to emotional manipulation.


Yep. It kinda sucks too, not to mention the trouble I get into with my S.O. who gets suspicious when I act that way. ("Why can't you just be up front?")

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posted January 04, 2007 04:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm...it's not a good sign if he's talking about his ex. He might not be over her. What is he saying about her?

My ex used to do this and I used to think it was just to make me 'jealous' but he ended up leaving me for her.

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shirty
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posted January 04, 2007 04:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I know he isn't over his ex... but he says she wouldn't take him back again ever anyway. He has an idealized view of her.. like any unrequited love story, ya know. He is trying to get over it, but having a hard time.

But at least he's being honest?

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posted January 04, 2007 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shirty I am a Cancer Asc, Sun and Mars and I have to say what he is doing is EXACTLY what I have done if I like someone. I have even gone as far as to say to someone I like, "we have to set you up with so and so" and hopefully he'll know to answer correctly. In fact I am doing this right now with a guy (the pisces mars guy I spoke of) and he doesn't (like you) show that he cares. For instance I had been kinda flirting with a friend of his, and the pisces mars guy asked me if I liked him, I replied no and he then proceeded with well I guess that's a yes. I then asked him why did he care, and he said he didn't. In my book that is a BIG no no. But if you any questions on how to deal with him I would be more than happy to answer...plus I have some questions for you as my sag sun/pisces mars guy is also not prone to showing an emotional reaction.

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posted January 04, 2007 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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With a Scorpio moon do you put up a lot of walls??

Hehe actually the term I use is "electrified fence with rabid pit bulls as guards". But yea I definately do. And Leo ASC are very cool, i know about 5, very awesome. My bf is a
Sun -Gemini
Moon- Capricorn
Asc- Aquarius
Merc- Gemini
Venus- Cancer
Mars- Capricorn
and same outer planets as you Im born in 87

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Unfortunately for them, even when they get what they want, people end up resenting them.

Very true

Hmm i wonder how would one deal with that. I mean im probably biased because I would be speaking from the pt of someone who does do this. I think just anticipating their feelings would be cool. Definately dont get jealous, dont give in to them, we gotta learn to suck it up. LOL and if you do get jealous just slightly, very very slightly, just minor discomfort so that your not throwing a jealous fit air signs hate that (i know my bf does).

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Because then I'm not showing who I am, I'm hiding behind a mask.

Oooh i get very intrigued by this especially since i always try to do it and fail miserably. But its also hard to deal with after a long time because u dont know if you can trust the person. Since you guys havnt been going out for very long the hiding thing is good, once you know they are hooked on you completely and no one else you can reveal a bit about yourself slowly.

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Yep. It kinda sucks too, not to mention the trouble I get into with my S.O. who gets suspicious when I act that way. ("Why can't you just be up front?")

I got a double whammy, i cant be upfront becuse of the Scorpio moon fearing of being misunderstood and judged and the rising Libra wishing to not be embarassed of looking like a complete psycho.

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I then asked him why did he care, and he said he didn't. In my book that is a BIG no no.

YES OMG thats SUCH A NO NO! My bf does this! He insists i like someone, then starts to poke fun at me so i ask why does it matter and hes like ehhhh i dont care. Or i tell him ill go hang out with this other guy he was jealous of before and hes like w/e. When he showed he was jealous i believed he loved me. I mean he didnt flip out but just sat and sulked, that was awesome, now im like heeeeyyyy wat happened? And then i get insecure and assume he doesnt and just get all upset...

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posted January 04, 2007 06:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG....I am just starting to realize that people (okay....a cancer in particular) have this trait.

It seems very strange to me, as I have never tried to get a reaction out of anyone, as I am more straight forward WHEN I am straight forward. (i blame my scorp rising for being emotionally crazy sometimes)

It is annoying, as I try to please others sometimes and agree to some things just so the conversation is peachy keen. When talking to this friend, however, I definitly have to pay attention, because this cancer says things they MUST know I don't agree with but tries it out on me anyway.

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posted January 04, 2007 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Well I know he isn't over his ex... but he says she wouldn't take him back again ever anyway. He has an idealized view of her.. like any unrequited love story, ya know. He is trying to get over it, but having a hard time."

Shirty, if I were you, I wouldn't bother. Really. He is not boyfriend material right now, unless you like playing second best.

If you insist on dating him, let's see. From an astrological point of view, check out what aspect your planets make to his moon and his Venus. ALso, check out what aspects he makes to your moon and Venus. Sometimes, planets such as Pluto, Neptune or Jupiter, when making favorable aspects, can help the other person heal. Sometimes, Saturn helps ground relationships in reality.

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posted January 04, 2007 07:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to talk about my ex's a lot but not because I miss them. Just because I am reflecting.


The other day I was mentioning something about an ex and my boyfriend stayed real quiet.

I asked him if it bothered him and he said yes so I'm not gonna talk about them anymore.



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Gemini/Cancer cusp
Cancer Ascendant
Mercury Gemini
Taurus Moon *29
Venus Taurus
Mars Libra

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posted January 04, 2007 08:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right, at least he's honest. It's better to know now then find out later that he's still not over her.

But, yeah, I would definitely just take it slow for awhile if you don't want to get hurt.

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posted January 04, 2007 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The other day I was mentioning something about an ex and my boyfriend stayed real quiet.

I asked him if it bothered him and he said yes so I'm not gonna talk about them anymore


Tottaly understand my bf buried himself alive when talking about his ex. A bit double standard but thats the moon in Scorpio. Ur bf is a Scorpio sun right? I read somewhere Scorpios hate to her about an ex, very true with my moon. But i like to learn too, lol curiosity killed the Gemini sun

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posted January 05, 2007 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been trying to study a woman who probably has Pisces Sun/Cancer Moon/Scorpio rising...

Among the people I've known in my whole life, she's one of the most gifted, but at the same time, the most wasted (wasted as wasting her gift, not in the sense of being an alcoholic or a drug addict- at least I have yet to see those).

I meant she's made her talent destructive because she's chosen to use it that way.

Btw, my present username is going to be history very soon. Just posting to add my two cents

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shirty
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posted January 06, 2007 12:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I didn't reply to you all individually but thanks for your responses, they were great!

I have a depressing update though. I decided to tell him flat out that I knew he was still heartbroken from his ex, but that I was interested in him.. I said I was there for him if he needed me, etc.

He said he appreciated that, but he doesn't know what he wants right now. But he thinks he's almost over the ex..

anyway that was a hard convo for me, and hard for me to even confront him to get a clear response back.. and I guess I am just going to not put as much into it anymore. Maybe he will change his mind, but I'm not gonna give 100% and then get hurt.

I'm sort of upset that he would have asked me out so many times, and talked to me every day, flirted, etc, all the signs of being interested.. but then turn around and say he doesn't even really want anything right now.

Maybe he is just scared to commit when he's still a bit hurt from before? I dunno, this sucks though.

here's our birth info if anyone wants to have a look:

me:
December 15 1986
8:15pm
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

him;
October 14 1987
1:24pm
Newcastle, New Brunswick, Canada

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posted January 06, 2007 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shirty,

I know that really sucks. It does. I don't know what to say to you to make you feel better. I wish I knew. Better just let go, let him go his own way, and yourself moving on...

After all, tomorrow, is another day.

Linda said that was typically Aries, but in this case, I find it suitable for Saggis, too. It's a good quote for many of us, actually.

All the best

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posted January 07, 2007 07:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shirty, the guy is a Libra.
Speaking from experiences: Libras only want what they dont have.
Once they have choice, confusion sets in. And unfortunately not just for him.
With my recent Libra ex...I was mad for this guy and being largely Libra myself...the more he was unavailable, the more I gravitated towards him. But alas he was in love with someone else. Not quite his ex...but a girl he had had a thing with. He was a hopeless romantic.

We became good friends...with me secretly yearning for more. and eventually we got together. We made love and I was soo happy until the next morning. He told me he couldnt 'have sex' with somebody he wasnt in love with. It hurt like hell but I still wanted him in my life so I just got over it as best I could.

The next time we met he wanted us to have sex...and I politely declined...'Im not an object you know'. And I didnt budge.
Anyways to cut a long story short, we hooked up and dated for 3 years. a couple of those being long-distance.

The moral of the story being: Libras need help making up their minds. And so Cancers for that matter!

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posted January 07, 2007 12:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
D - Thanks for the kind words! and I think it's very true of Saggies.. I am a forward-looking being.. and that's what I'll be doing now. Packing up my things for the next challenge!! Thanks so much!

Dew - I have to agree with you there. So I guess Libra and Cancer is a pretty confused mix, haha. I have problems being direct so I thought it would be good for me to assert myself for once. I guess it is good that I told him and found out now, rather than 2 months later.

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