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Author Topic:   The Astrology of Loathing
Gemini Nymph
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posted January 06, 2007 12:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's this guy I just loath. He's my age, and he just irks the living **** out of me. I can't stand his voice, I can't stand his smile, I can't stand the way he stands or sits or gestures. He's sly, sneaky and thinks he's smart and that everyone's impressed by him. He's also painfully shallow. He thinks he's a philosopher and a poet, and whenever I'm in earshot of him telling someone this, I can't help but roll my eyes and/or leave the room before I say something rude. He had me read some of his poetry once - yuck. Wordy, pretentious, written to impress. And don't get me started on what he thinks passes for philosophy.

Anyhow a friend got me his birth data sans an exact time. Turns out he's a Scorp-Gem.

But get this:

- My Venus-Saturn conjunction is conjunct his Saturn and opposes his Venus and Mercury; likewise, his Saturn opposes my Neptune-Jupiter conjunction - obvious aesthetical and philosophical differences, and that certainly explains why I feel like I'm suffocating whenever he opens his mouth. And why I feel such a compulsion to hammer down on him. I'm not denying that I'm being judgemental.

- His Mars squares my Venus-Saturn conjunctions, and square my Jupiter-Neptune conjunction as well - no wonder why I find him so repulsive. I think this is largely responsible for why, when in his presence, I can't stop looking for flaws in him.

- His Sun squares my Mars - yeah, I'd love to just sock him in the mouth, at least once. Yes, he makes me feel like I should compete with him...and pummel him into the dust in the process. I never said I was egoless, y'know.

- His Mercury inconjunct my Sun - god, I so find him intellectually irksome, as well as intellectually inadequate

- His moon squares my moon - I'm just never gonna like him, am I?

We have almost no good synastry contacts with major planets. All we have is:

- his Venus-Mercy conjunct my Jupiter-Neptune, but I think that's overpowered by those hard Saturn-venus cross aspects

- His moon conjunct my Mercury-Sun. So does that mean if I stand close enough to him, he can telepathically sense my loathing?

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future_uncertain
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posted January 06, 2007 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew before you said so that he was a Scorpio. He sounds exactly like my Scorp boss. There are lots of lovely ones out there, but when they are bad, they're horrid!

And, yes, he irks the living **** out of me.

My sympathies...

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DayDreamer
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posted January 06, 2007 02:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sympathies GN for having a boss you cant stand.

The worst boss (well she wasnt THE boss, she must have been second in command in the department because she was head once upon a time) I have this huge feeling she was an alpha female Leo. She was big, short red hair, looked like a dyke. She would never say good morning, hello, how are you. She wouldnt even look at me when passing by her in the hall and wouldnt acknowledge my presence even if we were the only two people in teh room. Of her class she said, a few times actually, that she was like Castro, the dictator of her class and her students were her subjects. Only what she says goes. In her class no one talked, made a peep or leaved their seat without asking first. She loved talking about herself, giving people advice and telling them what to do and how to do it, even if her way wasnt the best or most efficient way. She wouldnt acknowledge peoples ideas even if they had better ones.

She was oblivious to her faults, or at least acted like that (if so she did a pretty darn good job at it)...she had poor social skills...and couldnt take the hint when she was rambling on and on particularly when she was giving other people advice. She seemed like an miserable b!atch.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted January 06, 2007 02:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's not my boss *thankfully* - that's someone future was talking about. This guy is just someone who runs around the same social circles I do. You know the type - the guy who shows up everywhere, even when he wasn't invited. Ugh. He was at a function tonight, and my guy got to meet him. Afterwards, my guy said "He doesn't seem *that* bad. Kinda full of himself, sure, but you think he's that bad?" and I just glared at him. He doesn't have as bad synastry with this guy as I do.

I should have guessed he was a Scorp. But he really doesn't look like one at all. He looks like a Gemini - he's about 5'9", fair hair, fair skin, hazel eyes, lithe build but looks like he was put together wrong somehow. I figure he had to have some Gem in him. I figure Gem moon because it's not uncommon for Gem moons to rub me the wrong way, despite my own glorious Gemininess.

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Zingi
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posted January 06, 2007 02:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
U know u coupld use a healthy dose of Scorpionic LOVE dear I extend some to you...

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DayDreamer
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posted January 06, 2007 02:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops sorry for confusing your stories ( think Glaucus sorta diagnosed me as dyslexic once?? )...

My sympathies to the both of you neverthless.

The aspects your Saturn/Venus make to his planets definitely would do the trick! My moon opposes my best friends moon yet for some reason (other more positive synastry aspects? shes got t-square almost identical to mine!) we emote and get along well?1?!

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lovely*
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posted January 06, 2007 04:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gem, I have too much Libra in my chart to loath anyone for too long. I do notice however my aversion to some people, but it was brought to my attention they somehow reflected the darker part of my own psyche.

we know what we know because we know it.

Your Virgo pluto-asc tends to rip into and disect the hell out of people doesn't it?

i wouldn't be surprised if this guy came down with a horrible cold tonight. you're energy is that strong GN.

that being said, i know the type. he sounds like a greasy lil fcker.

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sue g
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posted January 06, 2007 05:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"loathing" is a very strong word. I have a loaded 7th house so I try not to feel this way....i probably always end up seeing something good (although not always....there is this Gemini bloke I know....... )

Having said that he does sound like an annoying little bugger doesnt he....maybe he is lonely?

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ScorpSagSag
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posted January 06, 2007 07:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess is that he feels the same way as you and gets a kick out of making you loathe him. Only a guess, mind you...

I loathe this one guy on myspace named "Whateva: PUBLISHED AUTHOR". I want to kill him. OH MY GOD are you a published author? REEEEAAAALLLYYY? Ohhhh, can I shag you?!?!... (/end sarcasm) LOL!

I was in a group with him and his posts would ineviably go like this: "Blah, blah, blah. My publisher said...blah, blah, blah...when I published my whatever...blah, blah, blah...I'll have to ask my PUBLISHER..."

LMAO...everytime. I wanted to scream: WE KNOW! YOU HAVE A PUBLISHER!!! Don't get me wrong, I am not in the least envious or whatever, I just cannot stand blowhards...

*sigh* I loathe him..

I just checked his profile and it says Virgo. Dayum, I usually get along well with Virgos.

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Dulce Luna
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posted January 06, 2007 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Opposing moons is not actually a bad thing IMO. I know alot of "best friends" who have that combo as well as couples.

Moon square moon is a tricky one though....you grate on eachother's nerves. I have this with my sister and even though were close, I couldn't say I would be friends with her if we weren't related.

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posted January 06, 2007 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dulce,

My best friend and I have our moons exactly square.

You have to look at the whole chart
to see what the real difficulty is.

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Duality
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posted January 06, 2007 12:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GN, I know how you feel. Sometimes we meet people we loath at first sight and continue to loath them just as we meet people we instantly like without knowing them at all. It has happened to me (although extreme loathing is rare to me) but unfortunately I wasn't interested in astrology at the time so I don't have the b-dates.

I have to ask myself if it's the chicken and egg thing. Do we loath a person "irrationally" at first sight and then find everythng they say/do irritating or is it something about their conduct we instantly hate and that's where it develops from.
A few times it happened to me that I actually loathed a person at first sight withut knowing anything about them and later it turned out they were dreadful people. I'm not talking about mild dislike here or being annoyed with them. I'm talking about a gut turning feeling.
Sometimes I just don't like a person's FACE and it has nothing to do with esthetics. It can be someone ugly, average or beautiful. I happen to think that for some people, their (bad) nature/inner core simply shows through and at least to me it's clear.

ETA: I never judge a person by their sun sign. I've met Taurians and Scorps I've gotten along with brilliantly from the very start. I really think it's the whole synastry that counts. There are people of all signs I get along with or not. The sun is only a very small part of it.

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Dulce Luna
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posted January 06, 2007 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My best friend and I have our moons exactly square.

You have to look at the whole chart
to see what the real difficulty is.



Actually, I've had that feeling of annoyance with other people whose moons exactly squared mine....not just my sister.

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sue g
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posted January 06, 2007 02:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dulce

Where is your moon?

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Gemini Nymph
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posted January 06, 2007 03:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL. Well, to be prefectly honest, I'm generally a live and let live person - it's just once in a while someone comes along and just under my skin in a bad way. C'est la vie, eh? It's probably karma, so I wouldn't be surprised if I deserved it.

I'm not nearly as perturbed about him now as I was last night, immediately upon getting back from that function and having my guy goad me on the way home. It's worst immediately after contact, and then the next day, like this morning, I'm like "I can't believe I let him get to me that much."

I thought the synastry stuff is interesting and enlighting. I often strongly dislike those strong Plutonian feelings of repulsion I sometimes get, because they DO feel irrational, and being so airy, I am very uncomfortable with that. I don't claim it's all *his* fault - I'm a good deal to blame for my own reactions, it's quite true. He is what he is, and that I may not like him really doesn't amount to much. LOL

Duality - I actually didn't loathe him at first sight. I've done that before, and I was very open to this guy at first (although I admit, there was something off-putting about his physical appearence). But it wasn't long before he grew too sleazy for me to stomach. Now, I just have a hair-trigger reaction to him when I see him, and yeah, it's irrational and that only makes it worse for someone with a Virgo ASC and 4 personal planets in air signs!!!

ScorpSagSag - I don't know how he feels about me. Honestly, I don't care. I'm that ego-centric in my reaction to him, and I'm that flippant to him in general. It's all about my repulsion and mine alone!! LOL. However, to ponder that intriguing possibility, I don't think he gets a "kick" out of my reaction, since he doesn't seem to target me. He's just "around" and we bump into each other. I have seen him target other people though, people who's gladly flatter him, and he seems to get a buzz off of that. I'm not one of those people, so apparently, I'm not of much use to him. I wouldn't be surprise if he was completely oblivious to how I felt.

Sue - to me, someone with a 1H Pluto, "loathing" is a little mild. It's when I start talking about giving people the Pluto Glare of Death when it's *strong.* All I can says is thankfully, I have a wacky peregrine and wildly inconstant Aqua Mars, so when I do loath someone, it usually fades out pretty fast unless there's something that churns it up again (like running into that guy again).

lovely - "Your Virgo pluto-asc tends to rip into and disect the hell out of people doesn't it?" In word, **YES**. And there's no denying it. As my friends like to say of me: I don't suffer fools gladly - if anything, I suffer them spitefully. I think this is amped up by my Pluto opposed Pisce moon. My moon's very open, forgiving, quick to turn a blind eye to a lot of things. But when I feel someone's exploited my Piscean naivete and openness, especially through insincerity (the one thing that Piscean the saddest, and Pluto the maddest), my Pluto turns on its heels in full force.

Daydreamer - it's very possible to have a few hard aspects in a relationship or frriendship, if there's other things to balance them out and keep the energy this hard apsects create for being too tense, grating or sour. I just though this was a good example of when there's overwhelming hard aspects in synsatry, especially when person has a lot of hard aspects natally. In this case, however, both us have a lot of hard aspects natally.

And actually I kind of pity him, because his chart's not pretty - a lot of strong hard aspects, with all a few, mostly weak harmonious aspects. And then his Sun and moon are inconjunct. Putting my selfish attention to my own dislike of him aside, I'd say he's probably someone who's struggling a great deal with his sense of self and purpose.

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Dulce Luna
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posted January 06, 2007 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sue, my moon's in virgo

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sue g
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posted January 06, 2007 03:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh....mine is in Taurus

So they would trine...is that right?

Isnt trine an easy aspect?

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posted January 06, 2007 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Theres been a few times where a person has just rubbed me the wrong way just by being near them...as a matter of fact I've actually felt an attraction/repulsive combo at the same time if that sounds weird! Where one area of the person is so hot, and then it's just that little something about them is such turn off, and you feel torn between the two feelings. It's the hot and cold going back and forth...

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Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

I "FEEL" therefor I am

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Dulce Luna
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posted January 06, 2007 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, taurus and virgo would be trine...although I don't know what you're getting at ....

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sue g
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posted January 06, 2007 04:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahahahaha.....

Dont worry girl I aint after you

I just always felt an ease with certain people and you are one of em....thats all!!

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Dulce Luna
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posted January 06, 2007 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww thanks! The feeling is vice-versa as Mourinho would say

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posted January 06, 2007 10:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HSC,
My best friend and I also have moons that are exactly squared also and obviously we get along very well. I don't have the birthdate of anyone who really annoys me to see where the problem might be.

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Dulce Luna
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posted January 06, 2007 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My best friend and I also have moons that are exactly squared also and obviously we get along very well. I don't have the birthdate of anyone who really annoys me to see where the problem might be.

And what are you getting at?

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Dew
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posted January 07, 2007 06:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From my limited knowledge of astrology, I have noticed that a Gemini moon tends to bring out the worst of a Sun sign.
Really.....
All the people I cant stand are Gemini mooners. I just cant trust them at all. And I find it weird that they think that people 'cant' see them.
I hate that.
Im an extremely intuitive person and therefore I recide in a world whereby I think all people are intuitve and dont take them for granted.
A Gemini mooner is the complete antithesis to this. They love to **** with people.

But on the plus side...they make for interesting comnversations.
Anyone else noticed this?

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mysticaldream
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posted January 07, 2007 11:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And what are you getting at?
What I'm getting at is that squared moons don't always equal loathing or annoyance.
Why should it **** you off that not everyone shares your experience?
This is a board to learn from and my point of view is just as valid as yours. So now we have 2 people whose best friends have moons that are squared -- OBVIOUSLY it does not follow that everyone with squared moons will not get along. That's all I was trying to say, if I had another point, I wouldn't hesitate to make it. Good grief!

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