posted January 07, 2007 01:01 AM            

It is not an easy aspect to have, and drives you insane... periodically, I tend to feel lost, and need to 'find' myself again. It causes you to have a very nebulous sense of self.

If you have this aspect too, how do you cope? Is there a way to protect myself from suffering the ill-effects of this aspect? Any thoughts?

posted January 07, 2007 08:41 AM              

The main problem is that you are intuitively biased in a logical world. Look inward for your definition of Self and hold that vision.

When you must deal with logical/mundane issuses, try this: Think of someone who does this well. Now imagine how they would handle the situation. Now proceed as this person would.

In reality, you are learning to use the right brain to channel left-brain activity.

posted January 07, 2007 03:09 PM            

So true.. the difficulty for me has been that when I 'find myself', I lose it quite easily, because my nature is to be there when someone needs me, and I wind up giving it up in an effort to make them happy. It is hard to draw boundaries with other people, because there is this strong urge to be all things to all people, and I almost feel like a traitor when I try to draw lines.

It is a good idea to try to think of someone else who handles things better, and aim to emulate.. it has helped on occasion before. I will try that..

mysticaldream, izodesmozina,

I've been an emotional sponge all my life too!! It's so easy to pick up others' emotions and energies, that your mood seems to depend on theirs & fluctuates with their moods. And I have an earth stellium in Capricorn too (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury).

I think having my Venus in Pisces square my Neptune hasn't helped much either. I'm inclined to sacrificing my own needs to be there for others. Since my Venus is in 4th, this has mostly been my family that I have this disproportional sense of duty to.

Natasha,

I fall hard too when I do, so most of my life, I've built walls around me as a way of protecting myself - because when I'm in love or just love someone (could be platonic or familial), I give a whole lot of myself & wind up disappointed & feeling unappreciated when they don't reciprocate that way. I have an intuitive feel for what others are thinking, what they need, and morphing myself into that person who provides it, even if my own needs aren't being met.

BlueEyes24, It's odd how PIscean it makes you feel. I have my solid earth stellium in my 2nd house, but I still tend to be very dreamy and rely a whole lot on my intuition. The Venus in Pisces squaring my Neptune adds that dimension too..

Astrostudent,

Popularity's not too bad, but when it comes with a price... ouch!

posted January 07, 2007 03:17 PM            

I had my Saturn Return these past couple years too, and it has been quite a battle to find myself again, and I have finally felt strong enough to make that decision (to divorce); it helps that I have the support of my family - well, my mother at least. My father's sorely upset about it, and he desperately hopes it won't happen, and I'm finding myself waiting almost, for him to get comfortable with it, before I proceed. But this time, I just cannot take it any more... it hurts too much to deny what I need, to make sure everyone else is satisfied.

I've been through so much pain in the past couple years, and I want to make sure I can become stronger despite the challenges of these aspects, so I won't make such costly mistakes again.. It would help so much if you guys could share how you deal with this. What is a healthy way of choosing yourself over others?

posted January 07, 2007 10:06 PM              

For those who were disappointed by others, did you ever think that perhaps your expectations of them were too high or unrealistic?

Are you emotional to the point that you'd tell the other person that you luv them or u'd keep it to yourself for fear of rejection? Do u tend to play hard to get or not? Do u trust others easily or not? Is it easy for someone to get to ur heart through compliments or not?

Since ur senses r sensitive...do u have a tendency to exaggerate feelings (reflection of sensitivity...when u feel something greatly, u'd express them greatly) or r u sincere and say the way things r?

Do u tend to c the good in everyone (and ignore the bad), or r u not able to c the bad in them...that is, if this applies to u?

To everyone, can you equate a person w/ neptune conj asc to a person who has a pisces asc?

I'll think up of more questions later...very curious about ya dreamy psychic peeps

Hey sunshine...personally I don't have this aspect, but I think you would have to be pragmatic about the way u approach others. Keep emotional distance to the point that u make urself believe that (if u can do that) and those who go out of their way to help u, u go out of ur way to help them. Others, even u, might disagree to my approach, but if u can't balance it out...do it this way until u feel secure about urself, and then become urself again. It might seem mean, but why waste ur time and energy on those who don't care to appreciate u? Use ur intuition and discriminate b/w those who will appreciate u and those who won't...

posted January 07, 2007 10:30 PM              

Mars:
For those who were disappointed by others, did you ever think that perhaps your expectations of them were too high or unrealistic?

Yes and yes -- both too high and unrealistic.

Are you emotional to the point that you'd tell the other person that you luv them or u'd keep it to yourself for fear of rejection? Do u tend to play hard to get or not? Do u trust others easily or not? Is it easy for someone to get to ur heart through compliments or not? Hmmm...... early on I'd say TOO trusting. Would I tell someone my feelings for them? That depends on the situation, if I felt pretty sure it was mututal, of course. Sometimes you just send out those vibes without saying anything, to test the waters.......I guess everyone does that.

Since ur senses r sensitive...do u have a tendency to exaggerate feelings (reflection of sensitivity...when u feel something greatly, u'd express them greatly) or r u sincere and say the way things r? I think we sincerely feel things very strongly. Honestly, I wouldn't say I exaggerate my feelings..... I would say I downplay them to others and there is always more going on under the surface than they see.

Do u tend to c the good in everyone (and ignore the bad), or r u not able to c the bad in them...that is, if this applies to u?
It has taken a LONG time to be able to see people in a balanced way. I used to only want to see the good, the potential in someone; which is why it's so easy to get taken advantage of.

To everyone, can you equate a person w/ neptune conj asc to a person who has a pisces asc?
I would say there would be a lot of similarities.

posted January 08, 2007 12:47 PM              

Ok...I have more questions for u guys...I'm going to post the old again and then the new so u could copy and paste

Old qs

For those who were disappointed by others, did you ever think that perhaps your expectations of them were too high or unrealistic?

Are you emotional to the point that you'd tell the other person that you luv them or u'd keep it to yourself for fear of rejection? Do u tend to play hard to get or not? Do u trust others easily or not? Is it easy for someone to get to ur heart through compliments or not?

Since ur senses r sensitive...do u have a tendency to exaggerate feelings (reflection of sensitivity...when u feel something greatly, u'd express them greatly) or r u sincere and say the way things r?

Do u tend to c the good in everyone (and ignore the bad), or r u not able to c the bad in them...that is, if this applies to u?

To everyone, can you equate a person w/ neptune conj asc to a person who has a pisces asc?

New qs

Do u guys cry (as in depressed and withdrawn) when ur hurt, get revenge, or both?

Do u tend to fall in luv easily?

Do u tend to have a trail of broken hearts behind u?

Do u tend to think that ppl can read ur minds b/c u read theirs?

When ur attracted to someone, do u make eye contact or do u try to avoid doing so at all times to the point that it seems that ur ignoring them?

Do ppl tell u that u have a soft or musical voice?

Do u smoke (including sheesha)? If u smoke, is it b/c u find it cool or b/c it really relaxes u?

Do u luv the water (including sports)?

When u mention popularity...u mean popular as advisors, beautiful ppl or both?

posted January 08, 2007 12:58 PM              

Yes....I always seem to put others on a pedastal, even when they have hurt me.

**Are you emotional to the point that you'd tell the other person that you luv them or u'd keep it to yourself for fear of rejection? Do u tend to play hard to get or not? Do u trust others easily or not? Is it easy for someone to get to ur heart through compliments or not?**

I've never once been the first person to say 'I love you'....I think I keep it in for fear of being rejected. I don't think I play hard to get, but I also don't like to be available 100% of the time..I'm indepedent and don't like being seen as needy. I do trust, however I'm always very suspicious and tend to be paranoid (this is more of a Moon/Venus in Scorpio thing tho). It's not really easy for someone to get to my heart through compliments...I appreciate actions more than words.

**Since ur senses r sensitive...do u have a tendency to exaggerate feelings (reflection of sensitivity...when u feel something greatly, u'd express them greatly) or r u sincere and say the way things r?**

Hmmm...yeah I think I do have a tendency to exaggerate my feelings... probably because I'm very sensitive and feel things very deeply and I get very easily hurt.

**Do u tend to c the good in everyone (and ignore the bad), or r u not able to c the bad in them...that is, if this applies to u?**

No, I think I can see bad in people, but I'd rather focus on the positive things in a person.

**To everyone, can you equate a person w/ neptune conj asc to a person who has a pisces asc?**

I think that a person with Neptune in the 1st/Neptune conjunct ASC and a person with Pisces ASC would be very similar in nature and the way they react to emotional situations.

**Do u guys cry (as in depressed and withdrawn) when ur hurt, get revenge, or both?**

I cry....I definitely don't get revenge.

**Do u tend to fall in luv easily?**

Yessssss!

**Do u tend to have a trail of broken hearts behind u?**

No...I've been hurt in the past badly, but only really had my heart broken once.

**Do u tend to think that ppl can read ur minds b/c u read theirs?**

LOL yes....it sucks, because when you're upset, you expect the person to console you without even mentioning that you're upset.. which isn't really fair.

**When ur attracted to someone, do u make eye contact or do u try to avoid doing so at all times to the point that it seems that ur ignoring them?**

I do make eye contact, but I might look away at times because I can be a little shy when first meeting someone.

**Do ppl tell u that u have a soft or musical voice?**

Yes, I have a pretty soft voice.

**Do u smoke (including sheesha)? If u smoke, is it b/c u find it cool or b/c it really relaxes u?**

Nope, I don't smoke at all.

**Do u luv the water (including sports)?**

Yes, I've always loved the water ever since I was really young. I love the ocean and everything about it.

posted January 10, 2007 01:18 PM            

Neptune in House I creates acute sensitivity to the energies of others, to the extent of taking on their emotional states, perspectives and mannerisms. If Venus in House I seeks acknowledgement for qualities, which are distinctive, Neptune, the higher octave, seeks to merge by eroding differences. A person with this placement takes on the identity of those with whom he comes into contact, with the result that his own personality tends to be a kaleidoscope. A House I Neptune is common in charts where there is evidence that insensi­tivity in past lives has adversely affected others.

Neptune in House I gives the spiritual advantages, which come from not having a powerful ego, and when near the Ascendant, especially when in the water signs, can confer considerable psychic ability. In his dealings with the world, how­ever, the Neptunian is disadvantaged by his inability to define and protect his own interests and by his difficulty in establishing within himself a stable base from which to operate. Activity therefore tends to be fitful and self-defeating in its inconsistency.

Unable to impose boundaries, a person with Neptune in House I is invaded by the emotional energies of others and sapped by their needs, a condition which fre­quently manifests in the physical body in the form of a prematurely lined face.

P.S I am sure you are all not going to be any more wrinkley than anyone else.

posted January 12, 2007 12:15 AM            

I've been taking stock of my life because of this Saturn Return & all the changes that have been happening lately (feels like the earth is shifting underfoot), and I'm finding that so much of my current unhappiness/dissatisfaction with my life, can be traced back to behavioral patterns arising from this aspect; the Venus square Neptune-conjunct-AC.

It took me this long to find out WHY I've been the way I am (same as you, mysticaldream), and I'm just worried that despite knowing about this, that I might not be able to make enough of a difference from before. I guess it's growing pains I'm experiencing. This aspect has just weakened me too much all my life. I need to get over it and take charge of my life & become the strong person I'd like to be.

Would it help if I posted my chart? If anyone could provide suggestions for something positive in it I could use to help myself, I'd be grateful!