posted January 19, 2007 11:17 AM              

Mine is in the 8th house....It feels like it makes me spiritual, and I understand/see things others dont see...I was transformed by a death at a young age, and sometimes I feel like I have a connection with the "other side".

The typical definations of this aspect bore me, and dont tend to really grab me.

posted January 19, 2007 11:53 AM              

I can call anyone on their bullsh*t and kick serious a**. I can get people's attention just by walking into a room. I can give people the Evil Eye. I can see into people's souls. I'm a great defender of those who are vulnerable or overlooked. I have a strong sense of justice. I'm an enigma and an universe unto myself. I'm karma incarnate. Quite simply, I rock.

The downside:

posted January 19, 2007 12:17 PM            

"Never understood it. I've walked through a notoriously dangerous neighborhood (not by choice btw) without being messed with"

I can relate to that to a T, even though my Pluto is in my 4th house(the home, and my Scorpion mother))it squares my Ascendant at 11 minutes and squares my Moon. I think it's more my Mars though that gives me that rough stance.

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted January 19, 2007 12:24 PM              

*copying and pasting from another thread:

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Ever since you were small, you've had an instinctual sense of the fragility of our circumstances. Second house energy is concerned with arming ourselves against threats, and Pluto is particularly skilled at recognizing even the most dreadful of those threats. The linkage of planet and house is very natural here; they reinforce each other. Thus, Pluto in the second house often represents a cautious quality. Caution is a virtue in many ways, but taken to extremes it can cripple a person. And if it is taken to extremes unconsciously, its effects can be devastating.

How much fear was in the air in your family home? What was the nature of that fear? These are critical questions. Because your natural awareness of life's fragility was like a vacuum into which your mother's fear and your father's fear rushed. Unprocessed and left unconscious, that fear can profoundly affect your view of life, leaving you hesitant to extend yourself toward your most interesting potentials.

In the state of grace, a child with Pluto in the second house wants experiences of the "edge." He or she wants to climb high in a tree, wants to see the scary movie � wants to forge a basis for self-confidence, in other words. But all children are busily forming a view of world based in large part upon parental and communal descriptions of "what's out there." The more the child perceives parents motivated by fear, the more he or she internalizes a sense of being inadequate and powerless. "If they are scared, I guess I should be too."

[u]Complicating this dynamic, we also observe a tendency for any form of abuse, deception or betrayal to immediately lodge as a kind of poison in your second house circuitry � that is, in your self-confidence[/u]. Earlier in the book, we raised the question of "where we carry the Wound," observing that not everyone who suffers the same hurt will bleed from the same place. For you, your self-esteem is the Plutonian lightning rod. The psychological wiring diagram looks something like this: "There must have been something bad about me or I wouldn't have been hit, lied to, dismissed, ignored, abandoned, and so forth."

.......people who make weak responses to their second house Plutos tend to give money too much power in their thinking. They pay too much for money. They squander their lives in safe work that bores them. They fear trading the money they've earned for joy, experience, and adventure. They imagine that a lack of money prevents them from doing what, in their hearts, they hunger to do. Money becomes a substitute for the inner security that this Plutonian configuration ideally signifies.

.......Maybe you come from a traditional extended family, and living near all your relatives gives you a sense of well-being and security. If so, those people are part of your second house net. Since you have Pluto there, you need to consider whether you are leaning too heavily on that family solidarity. How can you tell? Ask yourself what your dependency on those people is costing you in terms of intensity and fulfillment. Have you avoided looking for work in other states? Are you thinking too much about what the relatives will think when you choose friends, hobbies, belief-systems, clothing? These questions are not always easy to sort out, but there's one sure test: if your Pluto is unhealthy, no matter what house it's in, you'll feel a kind of dull, passionless emptiness in your daily life. If you do, and you have Pluto in the second, you're paying too much for safety somewhere in your life. And it may have nothing to do with money.

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posted January 19, 2007 01:26 PM            

not sure how it plays out. ill reply more later when i have more time

posted January 19, 2007 01:53 PM              

I can relate to Pluto because it is very much entangled with, or shall I say partners in crime with, my Sun. These 2 planets cuddling together in space when I was born really alters the way my Libran-ness comes across (or dosen't come across even). Those who mistake my quietness, or innocent looks are always surprised to find out that they had absolutly no idea about me! I play my cards close to my chest.

So I notice Pluto energy pretty much at all times. It is a part of my self exprexssion. I am quite introverted. I'm an observer & investigator. In fact I NEED to be alone to recharge and transform/transmute perodically or I get all wacked out (i.e. Feels like i'm tapping into the pain of the whole world if I don't go within)

I think Pluto in the 4th allows me to help close friends by adding my 'fuel to their fire' so to speak. I am very sensitive. That means I'm pretty good at helping others hold their intentions or hold the space for healing sessions, stuff like that. (this also goes with my N Node in Scorpio work)

I also have an 8th house Moon like Dulce Luna This probably adds something, but I'm not sure what to say at this time.

**Does anyone else have Pluto conj Sun w/in a 3* orb?? I'd like to chat with you!

posted January 19, 2007 02:14 PM            

eatbrooks...I was also transformed by a death at a young age...I could relate to all you said....and also....

From: Steven Forrest

"Going to your edges emotionally is the heart of the matter: death and love may push you there. So may a long, hard talk with yourself. Or friendship so deep that it goes beyond politeness and an exaggerated "respect for boundaries" — the kind of relationship that must of necessity exist between long-time lovers. Anytime we are dealing in an honest and straightforward manner with the hurt or scared places inside us, we are in this domain.

As you might imagine from the foregoing language, Pluto has a special affinity with the eighth house. The Lord of the Underworld is attuned to these kinds of overwhelming energies. In the old hierarchical language of the astrological tradition, we say "Pluto rules the eighth house." What that means is that when Pluto is here, it is very strong. Simply having the planet in this house qualifies you as a Plutonian type: deep, intense, and inclined toward psychological thought."

posted January 19, 2007 02:34 PM              

I'm not sure how it manifests, but then I am Pluto-ruled and have Scorpio drowning my chart so maybe it gets lost in all that somewhere.

Can anyone offer suggestions on this please?

posted January 19, 2007 02:37 PM              

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Those who mistake my quietness, or innocent looks are always surprised to find out that they had absolutly no idea about me! I play my cards close to my chest.

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this is true about me too. people mistake me a lot of times for a very tame person. i think when i was younger, my pluto was very much out in the open for ppl to see. i had intense likes and dislikes. kind of used to see things in black and white. it cud also be attributed to my having many 'plutonian' experiences at an early age.

Now, my pluto is kind of well-hidden. but deep down i know that i have this enormous power that i can tap into. i am unfazed by ugly situations- no matter how ugly. but i do avoid confrontations. mostly bcoz i dont like to lose control. and if i lose my temper, then thts losing control. i dont like to see tht side of me.

also, i know i have a certain ruthlessness. i dont like people who can't stand up for themselves, or who have absolutely no opnions of their own. esp whn it comes to men. i am real picky abt who i date. i know i can squish a man's ego if he can't stand up to me. and i am not talking about being aggresive. its just about having a personal power. i try to be more sympathetic. but sometimes it takes a LOT of effort.

I am not so much a loner as a bit antisocial. i do like to have people around me, but only those who i am really comfortable with. with a lot of people, i come across really formal, its like i put up a wall between me and them. i think i can make out most ppl's 'energy' very quickly.

ILWL

posted January 19, 2007 02:39 PM              

My parents can be strict but they're not damaging about it. We have our 'power struggles' here and there, but I think it's more of a common generational/cultural thing (me being too 'American,' meaning). I love them both very much. This is why I dislike Bob Mark's 'Don't mess with Daddy' interps. He makes dad sound cruel, but mine is far from that.

My understanding of Steven Forrest's interp is that the family doesn't have to be overtly dysfunctional, but there can be a tip-of-the-tongue kind of uneasiness. My parents have this tendency to bury our family's 'skeletons' or write certain things off as taboo, in an effort to project some kind of sheltered, happy home life. They do this because they don't think my sister or I can 'take' it. I can take it, hehe. Isn’t desiring and absorbing the truth very much a Plutonian thing?

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Your navigational error, if you succumb to it, would be to live the life of a ghost, with your fire, intensity, and vision removed from your biographical life while you went through the motions of existence. And, regardless of outward appearances, at the psychological level you would live the life of hearthless, homeless person.

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posted January 19, 2007 02:42 PM              

I also love solitude - need it even. A day out with people drain me badly, and I only become myself again, peacefully, happily, after I've spent some time alone to recharge. Maybe it's Neptune in the 12th, but I really need peace to function and survive.

I've not watched the Godfather, so I'm not sure if I can identify - but I can look into people's soul - at least it seems like it, usually putting them into immediate unease, which my 8th house moon picks up on.

Basically, I read body language, and can feel energies; I know when people are at loggerheads - but my instinct is to *run*, and not get involved, because basically I don't like invading others' privacy or business. Also ditto planet_soul - I can't be nice to someone I dislike; if i absolutely have to, I have to focus on their good points, or let them take it from there. With moon trine ASC, my feelings are an open book to people I physically come in contact with.

My friend has Pluto in the 8th, conj sun, venus, saturn (libra)- and boy, i wonder how he must feel. He also experienced death of someone he loved at a young age, and is very sensitive to spirits.

posted January 19, 2007 03:24 PM              

now tht u said it, i remembered that this is true for me too!!

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Animals, plants, and kids immediately respond positively to me and I have many silent conversations with them. in the supermarket babies cannot keep their eyes off me-

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most kids immediately like me....its not even tht i pet them or anything. infact i do anything but treat them like kids. most of the times i just look into their eyes, and i get them and they get me. somehow i can do tht with kids, but not with adults. and babies can't take their eyes off me!! its happened so many times it freaky!

i love plants....my fav recess whn i was a kid was the backyard of my house that had a lot of plants. i wud sit there for hrs, hidden from others and talk to 'my' plants. and it was like they responded to me. plants about to die wud revive in a couple of days whn i pleaded with them not to die. now tht i think of it, i guess i do need to have a very private secluded place whr no one can find me....and its never my room or sth...always attracted to secluded corners, parts of a building whr no one goes, with plants growing wild....and i'd sit there for hours communicating with them/my own inner self. its very rejuventing.

ILWL

posted January 19, 2007 03:46 PM            

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I find it hard to be superficial and be nice when I dislike a person. This tendency rubs a lot of people the wrong way

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That is also true for me. People say when I don't like someone, they usually know it.

Oh, Tux Meow & ILWL,

posted January 19, 2007 03:56 PM              

tht is why i made the statement tht i am antisocial...

i guess a lot of ppl don't like me....but whether or not its bcoz i dont like them in the first place, is the moot point. another thing is, i have not experienced 'insant' dislike. so i guess my pluto does remain under covers. but somehow i do get along fabulously with kids. i tend to look at them as miniature adults, with a lot of potential....they r such pure souls. they dont dislike someone based on their preconceived notions. mostly bcoz they don't have any.

posted January 19, 2007 11:49 PM            

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but i am learning how to hide it whn i dislike someone. actually, fact is i CANNOT hide it. so wht i do is try to find something likeable about that person....so tht i can focus on that aspect whn i am interacting with them. tht's the only way i can hide my feelings of *repulsion* . yeah, thts a strong word, and it typifies my reactions to people. did u ever try tht, dulce?

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