posted January 21, 2007 01:22 AM              

Lets see now, The watery planet Neptune rules Pisces, Uranus rules Aquarius and Pluto rules Scorpius.

Lets start with the sign of Pisces, which is traditionally ruled by Jupiter, toghether with Sagittarius. But there is "no" discussion here, Sagittarius represents Jupiter`s "original" form, and Pisces its lower form. Sagittarius by day, Pisces by night. Lets get a vision of the planet Jupiter in Pisces, in the most watery sign of all, it gives us suddenly the idea of Neptune doesnt it?!?
Is Neptune a lower form of Jupiter????
These 2 planets got many similarities, not that weird, they are brothers!!! (Jupiter = Zeus, Neptune = Poseidon)

Then we got the sign of Aquarius, which is traditionally ruled by the dark planet Saturn, toghether with Capricornus.
Aquarius by day, Capricornus by night. Here we see clearly that the "original" form of Saturn belongs to Capricornus. And since Saturn being low and dark in nature, Saturn in Aquarius must represent a Higher idea of this planet. (Uranus is the father of Chronos = Saturn).
its with this one i really need some help peeps....

The sign of Scorpio is traditionally ruled by Mars, toghether with Aries. Again, there is "no" discussion, Aries represents Mars`s original form and Scorpio its lower. Aries by day, scorpio by night. The vision is clearly to me, the fiery Mars in this fixed water sign represents Putrefaction or Death. Like Scorpio rules Death both in Astrology and Tarot. (Death by the highest meaning of the word). This is the idea of Pluto.............. isnt it?!?
I ask; Is Pluto a lower form of Mars??

posted January 21, 2007 03:11 AM              

Yes astrolgoers have long noted the significant relationships between Neptune and Jupiter, uranus and Saturn, and Mars adn Pluto and how they relate tot heir rulerships. I wouldn't call Neptune, Uranus or pLuto "lower" forms,, but they certainly represent an *expansion* of the original planetary archtypes that once ruled over those signs. These expansions carry over parts of the old ruler at their core, but adds further nuance and dimensions.

posted January 21, 2007 02:07 PM            

Interesting thesis.....
Here's what an astro glossary says:
"Higher Octave planets - The three outermost planets, which symbolize the higher or spiritual level of expression in contrast to the lower or physical level symbolized by the inner planets with which they are linked. Uranus, the higher octave of Mercury, objective intellectualism. Neptune, linked to Venus, expresses spiritual love; Pluto, the higher octave of Mars, is associated with spiritual evolvement; Mars with physical development."

I like the "higher vibration" terminology better than thinking that Scorpio represents Mars' "lower form". What about Capricorn then, where Mars is exalted -- is that an even "lower form"?? Here's a graphic from Liz Green showing the generational Transpersonal planets and how she believes they act on our psyches:

posted January 22, 2007 06:07 AM              

Mathematically speaking, Pluto rules Aries.

The planets from the Earth according to mean distance in ascending order are:
Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

These map to Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagi, Cap, Aqua, Pisces and Aries.
Taurus and Gemini remain.

This would imply that Gemini is the most evolved in the karmic wheel unlike Pisces, who may be most emotional or psychic.

If you see symbols, Gemini is the only sign with 2 humans. Cancer, Scorp and Pisces have lower species.

Check out the symbols.
Crab->Scorpion->Fish
[be in the shell, walk and sting, swim across seven seas]
Lion->Centaur->Ram
[roar, shoot arrows, batter the enemy walls]
Virgin->Goat->Bull
[Bull is the ultimate male fertility symbol, virgin represents feminine fertility and the goat is the sacrifice for something good]
Woman with Scales->Water Bearer->Twins
[Air signs alone have totally human symbols.
Justice, Knowledge and Evolution from physical to Astral, the soul twin]

Standard Astrology messed up this knowledge by downgrading Geminis and upgrading Pisceans. It also overrated Scorpios and underrated Aries as immature whereas Aries are far more evolved in reality.

Pluto in Scorpio just did not produce the magnifying effect that occurs when a planet is in the sign it rules. However look at the effect of Jupiter in Sag and Mars in Scorpio. How many Scorpionic themes of sex and violence occured in Nov-Dec 2006?
The Ipswich Murders of sex workers began
on Nov 15 2006 when Mars was bang on 15 Scorpio and continued till Mars entered Sag, when the investigations commenced.

Check out Pluto in Aries 1824 to 1854.
The conquest of Africa began in 1830s. The first modern war Crimean war, started just as Pluto left Aries.
Britain also conquered Punjab and the Opium Wars occured in this period.
Seeds of Nationalism started in 1850.
All historical events of pioneering, conquest and war that have repercussions to this day began in this period and these are very much Aries topics.

Also study the people born in that period. All the great pioneers of science and inventions
like Zepellin, Maxwell etc were born in this period.
"In 1931, on the centennial anniversary of Maxwell's birthday, Einstein described Maxwell's work as the "most profound and the most fruitful that physics has experienced since the time of Newton." "
That is just the kind of guy born when a planet like Pluto rules its true sign.

Do yourself a favor and study astrology with the mathematical format than standard format
made by esotericists who either did not want us to know the whole truth or got genuinely misled due to ignorance of the mean distance concept. Even today many think that Mercury and Venus are closer to the earth than the Sun. They are closer only for certain periods, on average, it is the sun that is closer.

Happy researching!

posted January 23, 2007 08:56 AM              

Ultimate proof for the validation of astrology and world change: Buddha was born when Neptune-Uranus-Pluto were in near conjunction around 530 BC.

Imagine what would happen if:
1) All 12 planets conjunct

2) 6 outer planets conjunct and oppose the 6 personal planets in conjunction

3) all planets are in the exact centre of their ruling signs

4) all planets are in the exact centre of their mate signs

posted February 01, 2007 07:33 AM              

Pluto: 28
Mars: 10

Letters of Aries+Pluto = 10
Letters of Scorpio+Mars = 11
Letters of Aries+Mars = 9
Letters of Scorpio+Pluto = 12

Value of Aries+Pluto = 40
Value of Scorpio+Mars = 41
Value of Aries+Mars = 22
Value of Scorpio+Pluto = 59

The theory of Aries ruled by Pluto and Scorpio ruled by Mars also
insists that Aries and Scorpio are Mate Signs with Aries ruling 5th house and Scorpio ruling 10th house.
The numerology and letter count interestingly are in sequence when Aries and Pluto are put together in ne team and with Mars and Scorpioin the other team. 10,11 and 40,41

Interestingly, Pluto's numerology of 28 when added points to 10 which is Mars numerological value, pointing out that Pluto is the higher form of Mars.

Also, Aries and Pluto both have 5 letters, and we are hypothesizing that Aries rules the 5th house in the mathematical system. Historical Events, Mathematics and Synchronicity, all 3 give conclusive pointers that Mars rules Scorpio and Pluto rules Aries.