posted January 24, 2007 11:15 AM              

I don't see Venus cj Saturn as an indicator of depression, even though I have this aspect and I have struggled with depression. Saturn and Cap may factor in but usually because it's afflicting either the moon (moon cj Saturn, moon in Cap), or Neptune (Saturn op Neptune - I have this).

My brother has struggled with derpession all his life too, and has no hard aspects with Saturn natally, except Saturn inconjunct Neptune. More significiantly, he also does have 12H Scorpio Neptune squaring Leo Sun and Mercury. His also has a 4H Aries moon op Uranus.

posted January 24, 2007 11:44 AM              

Underlining Nymph's point...depression is an emotional issue and the Moon has to deal with emotions. Anything that touches our Moon stressfully (conjunction, square, or opposition) can cause depression. Most commonly it is Saturn touching the Moon, since Saturn is the energy of restriction, but it could be something else as well.

Mooning,

posted January 24, 2007 12:20 PM            

I have Saturn in my 12th house (Virgo) and I think that has the propensity for making me morose and gloomy at times. It is also the ruler of my 4th house where my Moon is located.

posted January 24, 2007 12:40 PM              

Moon Square Mars in Aquarius/10th
Moon Opposition Mercury in Taurus/12th
Sun in Taurus/12th Opposition Moon

Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune in Capricorn.

Saturn/6th Opposition Venus in Gemini/12th
Saturn Opposition Uranus
Saturn Opposition ASC. in Cancer

posted January 26, 2007 01:51 PM            

"depression is an emotional issue and the Moon has to deal with emotions. Anything that touches our Moon stressfully (conjunction, square, or opposition) can cause depression. Most commonly it is Saturn touching the Moon, since Saturn is the energy of restriction, but it could be something else as well."

I think Saturn conjunctions or hard aspects, and ALSO NEPTUNE hard aspects to the moon in a natal chart, will tend to make someone depressed.

posted January 26, 2007 11:38 PM            

capricorn ascendant square pluto
Saturn in Virgo, in the 8th house (!)
Saturn square Neptune
1st house moon semi-square neptune
chiron square moon/juno and jupiter
chiron opposing sun/venus/MC/uranus
chiron/IC
moon/juno
pisces south node
retrograde venus in Scorpio
neptune parallel ascendant/venus/mars
saturn parallel pluto

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posted January 28, 2007 06:26 AM              

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posted January 28, 2007 11:54 PM              

I think moon/saturn aspects can be very grounding and do not have to be depressing at all. They usually are found in charts of reliable people. People who follow through and who show up when they say they will. Depression is not inevitable and has alot to do with our coping skills, relationships, how we learned to process the world, our expectations of life and ourselves, etc. These are all areas of free will. Regardless of astrological placements.

posted January 29, 2007 12:02 AM              

I am also currently in the middle of a yearlong saturn opposition sun transit which has not been easy.

Counterbalancing all this is in my chart is

sag ascendent trine jupter (1 deg orb)
sun sextile jupiter (0 orb)
chiron conjunct jupiter (3.5 orb)
moon septile jupiter (less than 1 deg orb)
mars sextile jupiter (3.5 orb)

and faith. Which has the potential to stand against everything and make us invincible.

posted January 29, 2007 12:57 PM              

I must respectfully disagree as well -- serious, chronic depression is a PHYSICAL illness that manifests as emotional disturbance.

However, I would also comment that Linda taught that certain charts can show the predisposition to certain illnesses, and immunity to others, although she never got very specific as to details.

For those of us who have struggled, and tried the herbs, accupuncture, hypnosis, massage, reiki, vitamins, medicines, and self-chemicalization with caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, etc., it is very discouraging to hear that people think it's still *just* an emotional issue . . . i.e., all in our heads.

Personally, I think it is very much more complex than that, and that genetics, astrology, and environments also play big roles.

Does anybody have any ideas how this would manifest in a chart as a tendency to illness? Remember, the emotional disturbance is the symptom of the dis-ease. Perhaps some combination of factors?