|
Author
|
Topic: Indicators of Loneliness....
|
IamLove
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 06:15 PM
 
I was doing some research (again)...And I was wondering what are some indications of being single, or frequent divorces! I noticed that people who have these aspects in their natal chart usually have problems with relationships...
Natal Sun square Natal Moon
Natal Venus square or oppossed Mars
Natal Venus not in aspect to Mars
Also the combination of.....
A capricorn dc (which is ruled by saturn) And saturn in the 5th.... not such a good combo  Trust me I know, because I have this aspect! IP: Logged |
neptune5
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 06:24 PM
funny,i have sun square moon and venus opp. Mars, with saturn in 5th, and i certainly don't see it as lonely, i just attract a different crowd of people than the norm. real indicaters of loneliness could be, Libra cusp 12th house, Neptune in 12th, Venus in 12th, those are genuine. IP: Logged |
IamLove
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 06:32 PM
For real? Wow thats really good to know!  IP: Logged |
IamLove
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 06:37 PM
Also I came across some info from Richard Burton's chart, these are some of the main aspects that we share....Cancer Rising/Capricorn Asc. quote:
Capricorn on 7th house cusp
You are emotional, sensitive, domestic and extremely self-protective. Your
relationship with your parents was not balanced in that you were far more
affected by your mother than you were by your father. You unconsciously seek
your father's qualities in a partner.
The people you are close to are well-organized, ambitious and, at times, a
bit melancholy. They give your life structure and take care of you practically
and materially (not necessarily financially) the way you take care of them
emotionally. You create a nest.
You are a nurturing, loving, parenting person who likes to take care of
people. You try to create an emotionally safe space for your partner to enable the
sharing of inner needs and longings that people outside the home would never
suspect. Privacy makes the relationship special for you.
Your partners usually require a good deal of attention. They are often
serious people and sometimes rather depression-prone. They tend to be ambitious
and successful but not very expressive emotionally. They may require more
understanding than they give.
Jupiter in the 7th house.... quote:
Jupiter in 7th
Either there will be more than one significant relationship in your life or
you will be closely connected with someone who has been previously involved.
Either way, your relationships are generally fortunate and you are unlikely to
be single for long.
You attract professional, educated people who enjoy the respect of the
community. On some level, morals are always an issue in your relationships owing
either to a shared philosophy or personal lapses (yours or your partner's)
others would never suspect.
And Saturn in the 5th.... quote:
Saturn, Ruler of 7th house, is in 5th:
There is one thing that can be safely said of you in relationships: you
are not casual. When you say "I love you", you mean it. However, as nurturing
and passionate as you are, there may also be a dark side. Yours wasn't an
entirely happy childhood. You may not have felt sufficiently loved. As a
result, you may swing from extreme caution about emotional involvement and total
obsession. Obsession isn't love. It can be just as space-making and insulating
as extreme caution.
You are attracted to strong, dynamic, in-control types. They may not be as
overtly affectionate as you are but, as long as you know you are loved, that's
all right with you. You are not interested in serial romances. You're more of
the death-do-us-part school of thought. You are extraordinarily loyal and will
give a relationship every chance to work. Perhaps it's because you didn't feel
enough love as a child that you would feel an exceptional responsibility for
your own children. You would be the parent most needed and most depended upon.
You display that kind of reliability with your partner as well. If your partner
is involved in the arts or something creative, you play a significant role. You
work hard at relationships. Try to remember to enjoy them.
lol it's hilarious how he was born in 1925.... and I was born in 1984 but we have the exact same Rising, jupiter and saturn lol hilarious  IP: Logged |
IamLove
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 06:43 PM
Also the reason why I made this comparison is because.... if you look up the history of Richard Burton(born Nov. 10th 1925)... he married several times... divorced and married Elizabeth Taylor 2 times, then he married and divorced.... then married again.... but he NEVER had children.... So this is the reason why I was feeling kinda sad I feel like the same thing is gonna happen to me becuase we share the same aspects!!!! IP: Logged |
neptune5
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 07:02 PM
wow thats interesting, well saturn in 5th is an indicater of no children, circumstances getting in the way of conception. yep, but in truth i'm not really interested in having kids, if i thought about it maybe a girl, only to continue my legacy and work, and then i thought if i'd have a boy, i'd be prepared with a name, and nothing else, lol just kidding.IP: Logged |
Juno
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 07:05 PM
I've got Saturn/neptune square and I do tend not to share my worries, which is very lonely but I find it hard to trust people with my own onner turmoil.IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 07:11 PM
I think you're making some erroneous assumptions here. In my experience, even people with Sun nicely aspecting their moon and/or their Venus nicely aspecting their Mars can have relationship problems just as easily as someone with the aspect you've singled out. Perhap in these cases, with "nice" aspects, the person isn't very challenged to grow and be self-aware - that could be a serious pitfall in relationships. Really, a lot more goes into making a relationship successful than a couple of your own natal aspects. Also, being single is not the same as being lonely. I take offense at the assumption they are.
IP: Logged |
IamLove
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 07:25 PM
Neptune 5!You don't want Children? Awww you seem like you would be a good mother. IP: Logged |
IamLove
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 07:33 PM
Awww Juno a friend of mine has this aspect! I know just what you mean! I try hard to help the person, but they just won't open up, they would say little things but they won't get to the heart of the matter.... Awww I don't know what to say.... I guess sometimes you can tell people on the internet about your feelings. Maybe you can let your frustrations out that way! That's kinda a discreet way of letting things out (as long as you don't start giving out you personal information)! Because it's not healthy to keep all that stuff bottled up inside! That's why I spend so much time trying to help my friend to release some of the pain by talking, but it's literally like pulling teeth lol IP: Logged |
Juno
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 07:38 PM
I'm coming to terms with it, though it does make a point that loneliness can come from many sources and so many different aspects. I do open up more on the internet, but I sometimes think Saturn/neptune is about slaying the monster under the bed, only you can do yourself.Get your friend drunk, sometimes even i open up when drunk!Wierdly however I always feel follish afterwards as if I shouldn't have allowed other to help me. IP: Logged |
IamLove
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 07:47 PM
Honestly Gemini Nymph,I never said that "being single was the same as being lonely" However, there are people in this world who do feel lonely without a love companion. Likewise, there are people in this world who do not feel lonely without a love companion So it's always good to see two sides of an equation! Gemini Nymph, there are people in this world, that feel like, no matter how many friends and/or family memebers they have constantly around them, that there is a HUGE void missing in their lives. These people may feel lonely, reguardless of the fact that, they (constantly)have friends around them. It's like being alone in a crowded room. But I'm glad, that you most likely, don't fit the above description!!!!  You, on the other hand, may be like, the people who are comfortable when single, and thus, do not feel alone, when single! This could be in part due to the association with friends, collegues, family memebers and the like; I attest that this is always the best way of feeling! The other way (as indicated above) can leave a person depressed with the feeling of rejection, so it's good to see that you take, the more optimistic approach to being single! And as far as my "assumption" is concerned, I do realize that everything does not apply to everyone!!! So in this instance (and gladly so).... this "assumption" of mine does not apply to everyone! It gives hope to the hopeless! IP: Logged |
IamLove
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 08:06 PM
Juno!I would get my friend drunk but my friend already has a drinking problem, at least from my stand point! But now I'm growing to understand this better... thanks to you! It's like a feeling of guilt, mixed with a fear of people revealing your vulnerbilites and being insensitive to your feelings and worries, that makes you feel afraid to talk about the current issues you are facing. Am I right? IP: Logged |
Aislinn
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 08:53 PM
How about Saturn in negative aspects to Venus? It tends to make the native have low self-esteem and feel unworthy of love, which would keep them from going out and meeting people--and in turn, they would feel lonely.Perhaps most aspects which show introversion and shyness would incline the native to loneliness? IP: Logged |
Inner depths
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 09:25 PM
Saturn in the 10th or 12th house.A 12th house saturn makes a person an isolationist....or how about cappy ruling the 8th.....deathly afraid to open up to anybody...turn themselve into and island....trust me cause I have this.... IP: Logged |
teaologist
unregistered
|
posted January 24, 2007 11:22 PM
.IP: Logged |
pearlized
unregistered
|
posted January 25, 2007 12:52 AM
I have information from one site that says Moon in the 5th house produces the need to be alone at times similar to retreating to a shell. My gemini moon is in the 5th house. i am very odd in that i have the need to be "seen" which as quickly can change to an "i need to be alone for long periods of time". Being married this is not always an option so i have to be considerate of my husband.IP: Logged |
Sweet Stars
unregistered
|
posted January 25, 2007 01:44 AM
Aquarian planets?
------------------
I know you see me looking at you and you already know......I wanna love you, you already know. *----------* Gemini/Cancer cusp
Cancer Ascendant
Mercury Gemini
Taurus Moon *29
Venus Taurus
Mars Libra IP: Logged |
Atlenta
unregistered
|
posted January 25, 2007 02:41 AM
I agree with a strong saturn making someone lonely..
especially if their outward planets are in signs of relationship, a saturn there would force them into isolation, which their basic essence (sun, venus, mercury, moon) does not like. I also agree with saturn in the 10th, it's lonely at the top.. the rest I don't agree or disagree with because I've not seen a direct manifestation I don't think neptune in the 12th makes one lonely, though - neptune is in it's own house, and the native enjoys it there; there is true peace. venus in the 12th is prone to clandestine and secret love affairs. Loneliness maybe, I do not know, maybe that's what makes them seek so many connections. IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion
unregistered
|
posted January 25, 2007 02:41 AM
loneliness? that's my thing. i've been lonely my whole life, suffered from it greatly during junior high and high school, etc., but i'm definitely getting used to it now. i've learned to accept that it's in my personality...i'm not capable of getting along with groups of people. and since i really look for relationship (of any kind) that is anything but superficial, it's hard to find people that are like that. if i realize a friend is dishonest, superficial, etc, i try to cut them out of my life because i hurt easily and i can do without the negativity.Sun,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,Chiron all in the 12th. Moon,Saturn,Uranus,Pluto all in the 6th. Moon in Scorpio Conjunct Pluto, Opposition Sun, Opposition Mercury, and plenty more I suppose.
All pretty reserved aspects in my chart. Also, I have (Saturn in) Capricorn on the 7th as well which someone said here is supposed to contribute to loneliness. Does anyone here have Saturn Conjunction Uranus? Because i have it, and it makes me SO rigid. Taurus/Scorpio/Cancer IP: Logged |
cristiname
Knowflake Posts: 66
From: Earth. Welcome!
Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted January 25, 2007 09:39 AM
how about you determine the DEFINITION of 'lonely' in the first place? and then operationalize it - which behaviors or lack of behav fit said definition. then you can start looking for clues...IP: Logged |
Almost An Angel
unregistered
|
posted January 25, 2007 10:01 AM
I *prefer* being alone.Sun (Taurus, 4th)
Capricorn Ascendant
Moon (Gemini, 4th) opposite Saturn (Sagittarius, 10th, nearly in 11th)
Venus (Gemini, 5th) opposite Uranus (Sagittarius, 11th)
IP: Logged |
InLoveWithLife
unregistered
|
posted January 25, 2007 10:19 AM
Hello there IamLove....looks like you are a little blue sweety....is everything fine? i know its tough not to feel lonely sometimes....but we are all here for you. 
ILWL btw, all cancer risings have a cappy DC....it doesn't mean they are all going to end up being lonely....i'm one too! IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Newflake Posts: 7
From: The Asylum, NC
Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted January 25, 2007 01:58 PM
I hope that people remember that being alone and being lonely are not necesarilyt the same thing.I hate to sound all preachy but I felt like gettin' it out there. IP: Logged |
neptune5
unregistered
|
posted January 26, 2007 07:45 PM
to katie  (IamLove) quote:
Neptune 5!
You don't want Children? Awww you seem like you would be a good mother.
well i don't want to focus on myself, on something that belongs to me, i want to take care of the world, look after humanity  , but on the other hand you never know what life has in store, and i know i would be an excellent mother, but i just would feel guilty if i didn't get to spend enough valuable time with her/him (due to a medical humanitarian international crisis working schedule, but i'm sure theres still an option of a nanny, like a companion, for her/him)
------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged | |
Lindaland
UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! 
