posted January 31, 2007 02:05 PM              

Well theres this certain pill (its not a sleeping pill) i take, and i've been taking it for 4 years now, and i've noticed that, painfully, i can't get to sleep without this pill. Theres a hormone produced by your pineal gland called Melatonin, and it causes drowsiness, and the pineal gland is located in the cone of the brain. Well whats happenes to my body, is that i can't naturally put myself asleep, which all healthy human beings should naturally do without reason, so i don't know what this pill has done to my melatonin, but all i know is that my melatonin is gone or its not working. From the time you (knowflakes) go to sleep to the time you wake back up again, your body recharges itself and restores its vital susbstances and energies to "do your daily rounds again", well i don't have that anymore, all my energy is just taken away from me, unless i take this pill. If i don't have this for an extended period of time, i could very likely 'give out' (die) from exhaustion and de-energization.

Yes, its a challenege for me, but its not going to stop me from making the sacrifices I have to make to serve mankind (humanity).

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted February 02, 2007 12:27 AM              

I honestly think that if you are addicted or dependent, you're just looking for excuses to not deal with getting off the medication. Hence all the nonsense about melatonin. Granted I don't blame you - kicking an addiction sucks. I've been addicted, I went to NA for 7 years, and I've been clean for 21 years this month. So I know about getting adn staying clean. On the other hand, I also *know* addicts, and I know how they love to make excuses to lessen their own responsiblity. I don't care how erudite of an excuse you try to push, it's still an excuse.

That you aren't willing to name what medication too is a red flag to me. If this is a prescription narcotic/painkiller (which I strongly suspect) then you definitely need to seek medical help getting off this drug. At least go to a 12 step Prgram for a while to get yourself better informed about addiction.

posted February 02, 2007 12:45 AM              

WTF does that mean?

"If i don't have this for an extended period of time, i could very likely 'give out' (die) from exhaustion and de-energization."

good grief. melodrama, anyone? is this where we are supposed to run in and save you, so you can continue your quest to "save humanity"?

posted February 02, 2007 10:56 AM            

These are not the only aspects but a good starting place if you are tracking addiction aspects.
There are people with these placements that are not addicted to alcohol and/or drugs/medication so the whole chart must be taken into consideration.

A gambling addiction will have hard aspects to the 5th house or the 5th house ruler and possibly Jupiter.

posted February 02, 2007 03:34 PM              

this is your problem, don't assume. Or are you just looking for venomous, poisonous ways to try to bring my purpose of life down. Where were you when Glaucus posted the thread "Guiding Planets", your guiding planet is the planet that rests in your chart counterclockwise to your sun. My sun is conjunct my IC, and my Pluto is in my 3rd, no planets are counterclockwise between my sun and my pluto. So my guiding planet is pluto.

Gemini Nymph,

the same thing, why are you assuming that this is the place i'm actually trying to get help. I'm going to my doctor, and i actually started this thread to see if there were any aspects that lead to it and to raise conscious awareness. oh GN i just wish you wouldn't assume. i'm taking biology and anatomy classes that let me know about things like hormones and how melatonin causes drowsiness.

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Have you actually gone to a doctor and been diagnosed with a problem with melatonin? Or is this your own self-diagnosis? I don't think you should be tying to self-diagnosis this problem. I don't think you're being objective. I mean, you can take melatonin supplements plus daily exercise, if that's really the problem. That should fix most melatonin imbalances quite well. But the problem isn't about your melatonin, is it? It about being dependent on this drug.
I honestly think that if you are addicted or dependent, you're just looking for excuses to not deal with getting off the medication. Hence all the nonsense about melatonin. Granted I don't blame you - kicking an addiction sucks. I've been addicted, I went to NA for 7 years, and I've been clean for 21 years this month. So I know about getting adn staying clean. On the other hand, I also *know* addicts, and I know how they love to make excuses to lessen their own responsiblity. I don't care how erudite of an excuse you try to push, it's still an excuse.

That you aren't willing to name what medication too is a red flag to me. If this is a prescription narcotic/painkiller (which I strongly suspect) then you definitely need to seek medical help getting off this drug. At least go to a 12 step Prgram for a while to get yourself better informed about addiction.

Either way, get help. And not over the internet. In person. No weaseling.

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It may seem to be a red flag to you if i don't mention the name of the medication, but i'm only doing that to secure my privacy, for example if someone had a mental or physical condition in childhood and needed to take medication because of that, and while there body is becoming conditioned to take that, years later, while they grow and no longer have to deal with that condition, they are daily dependent on the medication because of the conditioning the person has received. And no i'm not going to disclose the name of the med, also people shouldn't try to get in someones business like that, i know i'm revealing a lot to you with this thread, but its definitely not your right to try to take it a step further.

This is what happens, either way i live now, i'm going to be dependent on drugs, i need drugs (med) to live. If i don't take my daily pill, i'll have to take energy supplements (but that may be even harder on my body because i still won't be getting sleep), you just don't know how dangerous it is when the body can't get to sleep on its own. And you certainly don't know how painful it is, so when your dealing with someone who has an addiction, don't assume, please don't, because that makes it even worse that you would have the audacity to jump to conclusions like that, things take time to be explained.

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted February 02, 2007 05:08 PM              

FURTHERMORE~

YOU are the one who asked for these kind of responses, by starting this thread. Please lay off the self-righteous indignation when a poster lays out their opinions in a practical ADULT manner.

What I have come to expect if I should bother reading your posts is a litany of self absorption using astrology as some sort of justification for your adolescent blather.

IE: This aspect makes me sexy! Will I be some rich guy's mistress? Should I work in the sex industry?

OR: This aspect makes me an excellent communicator...or humanitarian...or fashion mogul...or whatever it is this week that you assume you are based on your chart.

You seem to lack the ability to discern that astrology can influence, but is not the determinate.

Whereas I understand that at your age, it is totally natural to dream big and think you are going to save the world, your constant reference to how great you are sounds at best merely pompous, and at worst seriously delusional.

As far as my "venomous" attack on your grand plan to save the world- sure, if you see it that way- whatever. Perhaps you are humanity's savior. Considering how much time you spend posting here, I wonder how you are going to be a doctor/mistress/fashion designer/Messiah... better get cracking, girl, you are wasting time.

posted February 03, 2007 12:19 AM              

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"pluto is my guiding planet"

WTF does that mean?

good grief. melodrama, anyone? is this where we are supposed to run in and save you, so you can continue your quest to "save humanity"?

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MK, How is your initial response to Nep5 remotely "Adult". I think you are off the chart rude. Neptune5 is 16 years old and far ahead in her self discovery.

Gem Nymph, what smart analytical person doesn't self diagnose? I don't mind your tough love approach. I believe you genuinely care for people. But really. I see you do it on a daily basis.

EDITED.. to add. I understand the contempt MK has for Neptune. Yep, I get it now. In the Salisa post.

posted February 03, 2007 01:40 AM              

the post I wrote is not based on just this thread.

posted February 03, 2007 02:59 AM              

Secondly, as a parallel example, I take a pill that as a side effect controls the way water is eliminated from my body. I need to go to the loo frequently at night after i take the pill. This DOES NOT mean that my kidneys have failed and that i wud die if i stopped this pill.

It would be better if u stopped making medical diagnosis on the basis of what u study in a biology/anatomy class. The human body is a complex system. We dont have doctors for nothing. Or if you do want to learn more about your condition, why not go and research about the pill and see whether its just a normal side effect that goes away with time when u stop the pill. I am SURE doctors wud not prescribe a pill that has such serious side effects without letting you know about it. its against ethics.