posted February 01, 2007 03:23 PM              

I'd also like to say, since there were some turbulations about new people asking questions, if anyone else comes to read this, please be good to me, I really avoid arguments of any kind; if you feel like you have something to say about my chart, I'd appreciate it a lot; if you don't feel like posting, that's fine cause I found this forum as a fountain of astrology knowledge, and I'm collecting valid information one by one...

posted February 02, 2007 11:34 AM            

S

posted February 02, 2007 01:36 PM            

When you are just getting started,
you want to use a tight orb for the aspects.
This will generally show you which aspects are most important.

So, what's an "orb"?

An orb is the amount of deviation from exact.
For instance, let's say you are looking at a square aspect...
This is a 90 degree aspect.
But some astrologers will count it as a square,
even if the aspect is 80 or 100 degrees.
This means they allow a 10 degree orb.

When you are getting started, you want to keep it simple,
and zero-in on the most important pieces of the puzzle.
I would recommend a 4 degree orb.
To do this, you go to the astro.com page that directly precedes the one on which your chart appears, and, in the little box where it asks "Reduce/increase orbs (0-150%)", you enter "40".

Astro.com automatically gives you 10 degree orbs unless you adjust the orbs with this feature. There is no way to adjust the "click" charts, so, you will see aspect lines between planets that, really, are not in aspect at all (or not significantly). So, people will be all excited about their Venus-Pluto trine, only to find that it is 8 or 9 degrees wide, and doesnt really exist (at least, not enough to be considered existant). This is especially important when viewing the composite (astro click partner) charts. People get so excited or disappointed over aspects that dont even exist. Look closely, and only take into account aspects that are within 4 or 5 degrees. Wider aspects may apply, but they are not significant enough to exert a considerable influence.

When you say 40%, astro.com will only give a 4 degree orb for the conjunction, square, and opposition aspects. These are powerful aspects, so they get a wider orb of influence. For trines and sextiles, you may only see a 2 or 3 degree orb given at 40%. So you might have to look for them. I think a 3 degree orb is sufficient to show trines and sextiles of any real consequence. Under certain conditions, I would consider 4 degrees.

Also, when just getting started,
I wouldnt worry about the asteroids.
That stuff comes later.
Better not to overwhelm yourself with details
until you have a firm graps of the basics.

Lastly, next to the collumn that lists the asteroids,
you want to check the box that says,
"aspect lines to all".
This will show any aspects to your Ascendant and Midheaven.

Here is your chart:

more soon,
S

posted February 02, 2007 01:48 PM            

Neptune is very important for you. Probably, a lot of the experiences you may have been attributing to that Sun/SNode conjunction have more to do with Neptune in the 1st house. Maybe someone has a good article on that, which they would post for you, if you asked.

Here is what astro.com has to say:

Neptune in the First House 1st hs

You enjoy acting and putting on different "faces" for others to see. A very sensitive person, you pick up impressions from others very easily. Thus you sense what another person is about and can imitate him or her if you wish. You may be unable to distinguish between what is really you and what you have picked up from someone else. One of the great problems of this placement is to find out who you are and what you really feel.

But you can be a very kind person. With your sensitivity and awareness of other people's feelings, you can put yourself in someone else's place and understand that person better.

Interpretation by Robert Hand

second interpretation:

Neptune is in the first house. Neptune's basic function is to dissolve the boundaries of the self so that your identity may become more inclusive of others and of your environment. This position means that you project a sensitive, passive, often uncertain image to others. You may be out of touch with the concrete realities of life, and as a result others can exert a dominating influence over you. It is important that you come to terms with your present situation and not evade issues by ignoring them.

You are bothered by any form of injustice that you see around you, because you so easily identify with the feelings of those who are suffering.

The impressions you so openly receive from others are easily incorporated into your own life and become part of your approach to others. You are particularly sensitive to another's negativity, and it is important for you to remind yourself that others' feelings are not your own.

Art, music and drama are all important to you, and it is possible that your vocation may be connected in some way to one of them. Your imagination is extremely well-developed, and your real talent may be in expressing your inspired ideas in a form that is pleasing to others. However, there is the possibility that you may spend too much time in your own dream world, escaping from the demands of others and making certain that you never have to face your responsibilities.

Interpretation by Robert Pelletier

posted February 02, 2007 03:09 PM              

Thank you so much for taking time to write and to explain few things for me.
When I started to read your post about orbs, for a moment I felt like in school..
Like "What's an adverb?"
...mmm.."An adverb is a..." lol
Thank you for that feeling, it was quite refreshing lol, after years of an annoying, troublesome, and upsetting adulthood..
Joking aside..thank you so much for explanation about orbs; though I knew something about it, I didn't know for the difference between using orbs for conjunctions, squares and oppositions in relating to sextiles and trines.
Thank you.
I also knew that astro.com offers various possibilities of adjusting the orbs to personal likings, but I just left it on the automatic.
Regarding my "new" aspects now (the chart that you made), I must say that I already miss that Jupiter trine Mercury and sextile Venus...
Stephen, that was my last hope lol..and now it's gone..more troubles for me..
But I know how I will deal with it..as with every other thing in my life...when something bad happens I'll say "That's because I don't have J. in good aspect to V."..and if something good comes around.."Yeah..that's because of that lovely J. sextile V."..lol
You can't get better example of Neptune "deception", "twisted reality", etc..
You were right, Neptune deeply effects me, and I feel it strongly.
I feel what other people want to convey with their words; sometimes I don't listen to them, I just watch them, and I know what's behind the words, it's as if I could reach their souls with just looking at them.
Neptune does give you great sensibility, which is today, unfortunately, more of a burden, than a blessing.
It's also the Moon in Pisces with some rather uneasy aspects...so plenty of things that just drag me into the world of fairy tales..
On the other hand..now something totally opposite..that dreamy world is always accepted as "another part of reality" and treated as such...I don't know, but I feel that's my Moon trining Saturn ( I hope that aspect hasn't been taken away from me by cruel, cruel 40% astro.com lol)..
There are many other things, of course, and I've been studying them for quite a while, but I somehow miss to get a full picture of the most important energies in my natal chart.. I can't see the wood from the trees (if you know what I mean).
Then again, there's my 8th house that, honestly, worries me a lot, and I can't see anything except, accidents, bad luck, death,etc there.
Like, who cares if I have a deep and insightful thoughts (Mercury), when I'm waiting for a brick to fall on my head lol (I hope this is not a premonition lol)..
Now Stephen,I wanted to say that I really appreciate what you did for me, I'll read everything you found for me again, and save it on my flesh-made hard disk..
I appreciate your time and effort.
And this is not Neptune (trying to please others) talking ( I hope it's not lol).
I wouldn't like to bother you with going into more details, cause that's asking really too much from you.
If you come up with something interesting that you see in my chart, post it, I'll be happy to hear it, cause I value your opinions.
If I feel like asking something, I will (though I doubt it, cause I'm to shy to ask questions on here whether you believe it or not..)
I'll manage, don't worry.
Ok, now after I exposed my Neptune side (trying to please), tell me what do you think about my horoscope in general? lol
..Of course, when you have time ( this Neptune never sleeps lol..)

Thank you
You are wonderful

posted February 02, 2007 06:46 PM            

You are welcome. It wasn't difficult. It was fun (I love this stuff) and helpful for me in understanding this stuff myself.

"If you want to learn, read.
If you want to know, write.
If you want to master, teach."
- ?

I used to give a lot to people who were not receptive to, or appreciative of, my efforts, but I've learned to be more discriminating about how much I give and to whom. I wanted to do this for you, and I offered, knowing full well what it would mean. I believe you are very sincerely appreciative of what goes on here, on the other side of your screen. I think you have a gift for charming people, but that you are careful not to misuse it, and that you genuinely do feel the good feelings you express. I think, because I am also this way, I am able to recognize it in others.

The sextile and trine to Jupiter are still very active in your chart. But they are more likely to show up from time to time, and in the form of events, than to act as constant psychological, inner dimensions of your awareness. At least, that is my present understanding. I think, if you are looking for a couple saving graces in your chart, you can look, first of all, to that Mercury-Venus sextile, and, secondly, to the Moon-Saturn trine. Venus-Mercury may be termed "a beautiful mind". I am not that good at distinguishing some of the more subtle differences between Neptune and Venus, but, I think, a lot of the concern for diplomacy in your communications comes from that Venus aspect. It is a good thing. I think it is Neptune that makes you worry that it is too much. But I think it is just very pleasant and highly considerate of you.

Anyway...

Yeah, as I was saying, that venus-merc is great, especially because Mercury rules your sun sign, and venus is exalted in Taurus.

And the trine between moon and saturn is one of the surest signs of good mental health, so that does a lot to balance out the neptunain influences on your moon.

gotta run
more to come,

stephen

posted February 03, 2007 06:52 AM              

I wish you a good morning and want to thank you so much for your wonderful reply.
I was a bit worried that posting my chart and not asking any particular question about it, was too vague and too demanding from me, but you reassured me and I'm really thankful for that.
Maybe you do, but I don't meet that often people with great sensibility, who can understand by few sentences what kind of person is on the other side, and act so nicely and understandingly.
I know that you pointed out in your other post to me that there's another side to you, which I might not find that positive; don't worry about that; I don't expect you to be a God, or treat me as some rare species; the understanding that I feel on your side is what I appreciate and value. Just as that Irish person said and some crazy Albert Camus fan wrongly appointed that to Camus;
"...just walk beside me, and be my friend."

Thank you for explaining Jupiter sextile Venus and trine Mercury; it sounds right, cause it does come in "waves"; it doesn't behave as an inseparable part of the core of my being, and something that defines me. I'd say it have to be awaken by many different influences to fully express itself.
Regarding my SN conj. Sun; I must admit that I feel it, though you said I should attribute the feelings of "holding back" and retreating into my own world to Neptune.
Who knows, maybe it's the blending of both..
But what I attribute to the SN is the feeling I had all my life; I've been here and done this, I don't want to do it again, cause mmm..the most truthful word is -cause it bores me.-..Like the situation, totally new situation starts, and I know the scheme of how it is going to develop, and I'm not interested; I don't enjoy it. With years, that "situation" gained wider proportion, and it started to feel like I don't want to do anything, cause I've been through this, and the outcome is not satisfactory ( either for cause it's wrong, or lack the beauty of the unknown by being lived through before).
Ok..now i began sound boring to myself lol..
Anyway, don't want to take your time, so I'll end with some of my thoughts on difference between Venus and Neptune..somehow I'm quite sure that you know all this that I'll say, but I really feel I need to contribute a bit, cause you really did a lot for me.
Well, from what I understood is that you said you weren't quite sure whether to attribute the easiness and charm of communication (my words, but you know what I mean) to Venus or to Neptune..
As you already definitely know, people consider Neptune to be higher octave of Venus (I tend to believe so too, so they are both beauty and understanding, but on different levels.
From what I feel, Venus mainly attracts, so I would say that with Venus aspect I attract others into conversation by my "nice way of talking", etc.. (I'd really like to express myself better, but as it is obvious, English is not my 1st language, so I lack the depth of expression)..
Venus is "mine", Venus is my beauty; someting I didn't "inhale" and aquire from the influence of the outside world, so I don't project other's characteristics but mine, and it's felt on the subtle level of reception, so by projecting what's genuinely mine, I attract.
Neptune is a "receiver", so
Neptune gathers influences and behaves accordingly. Of course, it blurrs the perspective of what's ours and whats others', and it contributes to the feeling of insecurity and not 100% free and true approach.
What's not "ours", we can't feel fully, and having it inside, it's like having an intruder, that, as much as we understand its feelings, it's still not the genuine part of ourselves, and that gives us the feeling of "insecurity" to fully embrace it to become a part of ourselves, and to give genuine feed backs.
Oh, I hope you understood me here.
On the other hand it gives a really deep understanding and sensing of the world outside.
So probably, on the positive side, having good Venus and strong Neptune is a blessing of being able to fully understand and feel the world around you, and in the same time be appreciated and valued for giving a genuine answer full of beauty and understanding.

I'm finished. Definitely. Sorry.lol
This Saturday morning really took its time..

Once again, thank you.

posted February 03, 2007 10:15 AM            

You're welcome, and thank you.

Your thoughts on Neptune and Venus made a lot of sense. I was really impressed by your grasp of these principles, and your ability to articulate yourself, even in spite of the language barrier. I believe I understood your points. Everything you said interested me. It is rare for me, as well, to find people whom I feel are both highly intelligent and highly sensitive, and with whom I seem to share common interests and attitudes. Such people are not as common as I once thought they were.

I also live much of my life with a "been there, done that" thorn in my side, but I still retain an innocent faith in life's ability to surprise me. Are you familiar with the Tarot? I think of myself as "The Fool" in the tarot deck. The "0" card; the first and last card in the deck. The Fool is able to take part in the experiences of all the other cards, without becoming too identified with any of them. What I sacrifice in depth of subjective experience, I seem to gain in height of objective awareness. But, although I feel like the world is often below me, a small affair, I am still a child-soul in many ways; still very much enchanted by my own dreams.

I am still a romantic idealist, but I have learned to slow down, and take things as they come, without trying to impose my visions on others, or to force things to happen, - only trying to show my openness to possibilities. I have found that friendship is the most precious thing. Whether it is the foundation for something else, or an end in itself, it is the core of any honest connection between two people who wish to approach each other as equals, and without the burden of unrealistic expectations, which so often characterizes more narrow forms of relationship. But enough about me.

I had hoped to be able to offer a more comprehensive, bird's eye view of your chart. I think that is what you were looking for, but I got distracted. What I wanted to say is that, with the 1st-7th house axis emphasized, one of the major themes of your life concerns the conflict (or co-operation) between "finding yourself" through close, personal relationships with others, and distinguishing yourself as a personality independent of these relationships. Sun in the 7th (identity projected onto others), and the NN in the 1st, suggest that you are moving (or have a need to move) in two opposite directions at once. While you have the ability to shine in close, one-on-one relationships, and your spirit is particularly gratified by that sort of exchange, you may find that these relationships continually "throw you back upon yourself", so that you repeatedly experience a need to balance yourself by withdrawing from relationships, and establishing a solid sense of your personal self. There is probably a need to alternate between deep intimacy and high independence. As you learn to sense the changing seasons of your soul, you will know when it is in your best interest to connect, and when it is better to detach. Remaining too long at one end will cause the other to atrophy, but, when you acquire a sense of timing, you will find that the experience of intimacy is complimented by the experience of independence, and vice-versa. Greater independence makes it possible to merge with another person on deeper levels, and greater intimacy makes possible a deeper sense of yourself as an individual. The timing, and the readiness to change when the time comes, is everything.

I hope this makes sense. I have a talent for thinking and speaking of things in the abstract, but I am not always good at bringing it down to earth with examples.

Also, your Midheaven looks important. It is closely trined by Venus, and opposed by Jupiter. Any close aspect to the angles is very important, because the angles are highly personal points, moving and changing even faster than the position of the Moon. Venus trine MC, I would think, suggests that you are very sensitive and considerate of what the public wants, and that you have an effortless talent at pleasing both the public and superiors. This does a lot to soften your 10th house Pluto, which is focused on the public's collective shadow, and concerned with exercising a greater, more transformative influence on others. Venus and Jupiter aspects to the Midheaven, no matter what they are, tend to bring wealth and popularity. Jupiter will incline you to take big risks in this area, but, probably, most of them will be beneficial to you. Working from home and living in a foreign country may be good for you.

'till next,
S

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'Would you know your Lord's meaning in this thing? Know it well. Love was his meaning. Who showed it to you? Love. What did he show you? Love. Why did he show it? For love. Keep yourself therein and you shall know and understand more in the same. But you shall never know nor understand any other thing, forever.'
- Julian of Norwich

"Judgement is the antithesis of understanding."
- Valerian the Fool

posted February 03, 2007 01:38 PM              

Thank you for opening some wider perspective of who I really I am by your deeply appreciated words (both on my horoscope and life in general).

Your words are flowing so easily from the centre of my understanding down to the heart and back; and I believe I fully absorbed every word you said; its body and clothes.

However, being feeling quite emotional today, I'm unable to give you some valid response to your post.

Being drinking too much wrong music.
Not being considerate towards moon trine saturn.
Or maybe they just took a break for the weekend..

Get back to you soon with some normal answers on astrology.
I hope, I know you'll understand.
Thank you.

posted February 03, 2007 06:37 PM            

Of course,
I understand.
Please take your time.
I have no expectations for feedback, really,
but, if you think of something you'd like to say,
I would certainly love to hear it.

I hope you feel better soon.

Here, maybe these will help:

posted February 03, 2007 06:52 PM            

I'm sorry I didn't write more clearly.

It was silly of me to make my words difficult.

I'm glad you were still able to understand me.

posted February 03, 2007 07:02 PM              

The photos made me smile.
Especially the first and the last one.
Thank you for being so kind.

Still quite emotional, still drinking music,
but feeling good.
Today I was swimming quite a lot in my own water, but however strange it started, I do feel refreshed now.

Thank you for everything
Hope you are well

Love

posted February 04, 2007 11:11 AM              

I'm feeling good today, and I was feeling good yesterday too, just in a different way.
Yesterday I let the river guide me, and it couldn't go wrong, cause I know the river, I know its curves and still spots; it's just I let it take me where it wanted.
I said I was drinking the wrong music, but I was actually drinking the right music for that time.
Today I'm rowing the boat (at least I think so lol) with moon and saturn aside, so I hope I will produce something rational and understandable.
Nevertheless, thank you for taking care of how someone on the other side of the world feels.

Well, I should start now, with ehmmm..
first of all
Good afternoon, Stephen!

When I read you have the feeling "been there, done that", it made me feel good and bad at the same time. Good for knowing that someone can really understand and feel what I'm talking about, and bad because I know how "not easy" that feeling is, no matter how much understanding and better perception of all the things in life it gives.
I'm not acquainted with Tarot that much, at least on the level of a "knowledge"; I did read Alistair Crowley when I was younger, but more for his poetical approach to the depths of the life, than I really went into understanding the depths that he was talking about (if it was possible to separate the two ?!), and that I'm (at least a bit)familiar with now.
However, he introduced me into hermeticism in general (and I'm still in love with it) and it was in his works I first saw Tarot (if I remember good).
To be honest, I'm a bit reluctant to learn more about it, for a purely rational reason that I'm sure I'd find it deeply inspiring and truthful, and I don't want to go there.
Not that I'm rejecting the truth, it's more I'd like to keep a distance from it, looking at it and understanding it, but from a distance, so that it doesn't burn me and swallow me.
Cause I'm sure, I feel it would.
It's like there's a line, and I'm on one side, and the truth on the other side of the line.
All the knowledge brings me closer to the truth.
I know only the truth is right, everything else is a deception..
But..I also know the truth is deadly, and I don't want to die on purpose.
Not that I'm happy with what I am or know, but I know I don't want to die on purpose.
This may sound shallow, but I'm very dependant on the beauty of finesse; beauty of the delicate and refined, and the real truth's hand is too rough for me to willingly shake its hand.
I hope you understand what I mean.
I want to look at it from distance (not turning my head around from it), and by my inner ability of imagination create images of what is it really like there, there where the truth is.
Someone might call that deception, and it definitely is from one point of view;
but I look at that in this way;
I know what a naked body looks like, but I'll still wear my clothes and enjoy in it.
Never forgetting how the naked body looks like, and never stop learning about how's it inside it.

I'm not very good at switching on/off the interest for things that I find intriguing, making a clear cut when I start to feel it affecting (not positively) my daily life, so I learned to be selective with what doors to open.

The "Fool" resonates with me too, and when I read your description of how you approaching life now, I saw myself very much in it.
Like you, I'm also learning how to enjoy the moment, instead of rushing where my head and my soul think it's the point of arrival.
I'm learning how to enjoy the travel, instead of anxiously waiting to see does the last stop resembles the image I had of it.

Regarding the 1st/7th house axis, every word you said was true and right down to the point.
I've never thought the axis in my case was that important in determining how I'm really experiencing the relationship on the line me-others, but when I think of my life, the relationship with others is what definitely describes the centre of my attention, and it's the endless source of question and answers.
Everything is concentrated on that.
Everything starts from there, and ends there.
It's like the only reason why I exist; I live through others, and others live through me.
You were so right, when I emerge myself so deep into someone else (what I initially crave for so much), I suddenly start to feel the imbalance, and I want out, I want to be alone.
I'm definitely working on that, easing the
flow of the stream, letting the lungs breath properly.

Midheaven saves me, lol.
I'm glad it smoothes the edges of my, sometimes too possessive and dependant attitude.
As for Venus and Jupiter, and wealth and popularity, when I get there, I won't forget on your contribution in it lol..
Joking aside, I can say that I'm having a really easy and nice relationship with any kind of authority..
But...I must admit that trying to please the superiors or authorities is on a very conscious, barely emotional level; I do it, at the same time knowing how great results we'll be and how shallow (emotionally) the way to get it was.
Manipulative, though I don't know if Pluto has something to do with it..

I saw your chart, but it appeared too little, so I made one myself.
From what I've seen, you have some very intense energies, and they are very "obvious" to the world..
As if you didn't know that lol..
I don't know how your Moon in the lower part deals with it...is it unhappy by the quantity of the attention others pay on you?
Or it laughs in a detached Aquarius way?
The thing that I'd really like to know is how you feel your Venus/Uranus conjunction?
Plus its position on Midheaven..
The time when I had transiting Uranus sitting right on my Moon, I was feeling the most disoriented, hurt, unable to breath person in the world.
Almost every night I thought I won't wake up tomorrow, cause my emotions were constantly shaken and attacked by something.
I don't like that Uranus guy.
Not in my neighbourhood.
It's like he's taking you somewhere so unsure, in some country you don't know if your passport is valid, will you get a medical help if needed...like some basic things are so unsure..and let alone other things..
I know transiting Uranus is different, but I'd really like to know how is to have it natally on your Venus.
Does it mean your constantly experience changes in likings; the different influences attacking your system of values?
When you have time, and if yo feel like it, answer me, I'd be glad to hear your opinion.
As for me, you just write whatever you find interesting about my horoscope, cause everything you wrote about it was written so beautifully, and I found it very useful and intriguing.
Don't want it to be an obligation for you..that's the last thing I want, so please just take this thread about my natal chart as something you are not obliged to do, rather as somewhere you come to and write in when you feel like it.
I'm very slow at responding myself, it takes me a long time to think what to write, and then translate it in English, and I hope you understand that.

Now as for your photo, your face tells thousand stories (very beautiful).
Here's the quote that I dedicate to your shirt.

I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library.
~Jorge Luis Borges

Thanks for everything, and please don't mind this post is so long.

Love

posted February 04, 2007 12:00 PM              

Thank you for the wonderful post that I haven't seen before, cause I was in the middle of writing my "War and Peace" lol..

Thank you, thank you, thank you
So beautifully written,
and so concise.

Thank you for understanding the essence of me in such a short time.
I must say it's a bit frightening lol..
I wouldn't know about how much I can give here, cause I'm quite uncertain if it can be of any value, but I'll try not to fear that sometimes my words and sentences may sound stupid or irrelevant.
Thank you for reassuring me of my positive side.
You are so sensible and kind,
and I'm at lack with words at expressing what it meant to me when you introduced me into this world of numberless people and opinions in such a kind and understanding way.
It really does mean a lot to me.
I'm so happy our emotional sides understand each other so well, and adding the knowledge that you shared with me on here,
is making me feel so thankful to you.

I hope we'll continue to walk the path in the same manner as we're walking now..

Thank you,
I hope I can give back to you at least half of the beauty of thoughts and soul
that you're presenting me with

Love

posted February 04, 2007 03:37 PM              

I'm sorry your friend feels that way, cause it builds a constant feeling of uneasiness that is hard to live with.

I don't know if this will be of any help, but I'll try.

1) When they meet me, people often get the impression that I'm cold and unfriendly, but that's barely their fault.
I present myself (unconsciously) colder than I really am, and I'm sure that the reason for that is because I in general don't trust people, and I see them as a threat.

2) When they get to know me better, totally different thing happens; they start to think and get convinced (I don't know by what), that I'm far better than in reality I really am.

So, yes, from whichever side you look at it, you could say that people do mistake me for being someone else.

posted February 04, 2007 03:58 PM              

I was really amazed by the amount of honesty you poured down in that post.
I was struck by your poetic and in the same time clear way of presenting how you feel and what you think about everything here.
I do believe that on some very subtle level, we understand each other perfectly.
I feel that, and I'm thankful for that.
That's why I'm sure you'll understand me when I say;
-your truth was never vulgar, blunt ot harsh; if it was I wouldn't respond you openly, honestly and emotionally, cause I would definitely got scared of you
-when I was talking about the Truth, I was referring strictly to death

Like you, I also wanted to say many things, but I'm both in lack of words and time now.

However, I'd really like us to continue talking about astrology on here, cause you helped me a lot and were very kind to me.

I'll also write you an e-mail.