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libraschoice7
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posted February 07, 2007 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, lately I've noticed more people on the board emphasizing alot of their planets ether being in the top half of the chart or the bottom half. Rarely have I seen a well balanced chart, it's usually more bulk on top or bottom. Top chart people would you say that you are more outgoing and concerned with others and being seen? Bottom chart people would you say your more inward person and more concerned with your interpersonal life and ways? I am a bottom chart person and I find the description of me to be way off, as a matter of fact I like to be noticed and seen.

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wilsontc
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posted February 07, 2007 11:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
libra,

People with more energy focused on the bottom of their chart than at the top of the chart focus more on their "inner world"...but that does NOT mean they are "introverted". "Introverted," according to psychologist Carl Jung: "...in the Introverted attitude the energy flow is inward, and the preferred focus is on thoughts and ideas." So an "introvert is more focused on their own thoughts and ideas. In astrology, this would indicate a focus on the 3rd house (thinking)...not the entire bottom of the chart.

An "inner world" person is focused on how they are inwardly and this focus inward can occur in one or both of two ways: on their "self" or on "others". An "inner world" person can focus on who they are, what they have, or what they think (self) or can focus on their home (also emotions), how they express themselves to others, or on their routines (others). This "inner world" focus on others includes all types of performing artists, actors, musicians, etc. ...none of whom most people would call "introverted".

So there are some basic differences between astrological terms and psychological terms. And when we try to combine the two we can end up getting confused.

Inwardly,

Tim

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posted February 07, 2007 11:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That largely depends on which houses contain which planets, and what is rising. I think a stellium in the 4H of home and soul would be markedly different from another in the 3H of communication and travel with Leo rising.

Personally, I consider myself more introverted (introspective?), simply because I'm a double Pisces.

S_T

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libraschoice7
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posted February 07, 2007 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wilsontc, thank you for that, alot of descriptions I've read lately use the words introverted for bottom half people, which I personally do not agree upon...but I 'd like to compare personalities just the same to see if there is a difference.

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wilsontc
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posted February 07, 2007 12:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
libra,

Another thing that affects the energy focus is how close the planets are to the dividing line* between "inner world" and "outer world". If planets are very close to or right on the line they are both "inner world" AND "outer world" focused. The closer planets are to the top of the chart the more "outer world" focused they are. The more planets are focused on the bottom of the chart the more "inner world" focused. If a person has a chart where almost all their planets are focused at the top of their chart they are an "extrovert". If a person has a chart where almost all their planets are focused on the bottom of their chart they are an "introvert".

Having it both ways,

Tim

*See link below, Step 1, for the "dividing line": http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc

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Dulce Luna
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posted February 07, 2007 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, I have 6 planets at the top and 4 at the bottom. I'm still naturally introverted but I'm not entirely focused on my inner surroundings (boring)....I am concerned about others and observe things around me, just a little quiet. Sort of well balanced.

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wilsontc
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posted February 07, 2007 12:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dulce,

Thanks for the example! Since you have more planets on the top of your chart than on the bottom, you focus a little more on the "outer world" than on your "inner world".

Explaining by example,

Tim

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teaologist
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posted February 07, 2007 12:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tim,

Could you pls explain something to me...? If I have 4 (inner) planets at the very top by MC, 5 (outer) planets at the very bottom by IC... and my Moon on the ASC connects all of them... is this still considered a see-saw? Or another name...?

Btw, Lchoice, I am def introverted but have high deluded hopes of being extroverted in the next lifetime.

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posted February 07, 2007 12:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Huh. I haven't notice that sort of trend.

My chart's between a splay and a splash, and I have 5 on top and 5 on bottom. 4 of my personal planets are on top, one only Mars in on the bottom.

My placements fall in the 1st, 3rd, 5/6th (on the cusp), 7th, 9th, and 10th.

I am actually an introvert and definitely more of an abstract thinker or "idea" person (an INTP), although I can be outgoing when I have to be - I just prefer to be left alone (which is an INTP trait). Introversion, like Tim says, isn't really about being shy. An introvert is inward moving, relective, observant. Introverts, while they have the social needs like an extrovert, those social needs tend to less of a priority, so introverts often are more individualistic rather than relational like extrovert. With introversion, there is far more emphasis placed on what the individual feels and thinks themselves rather than what is going on around them or what other people are feeling or thinking.

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wilsontc
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posted February 07, 2007 12:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
teaologist,

You have a "see-saw" chart. Normally this indicates a person who "see-saws" back and forth between two extreme points of view. However, it is possible for the "see-saw" person to achieve stability by focusing on ONE side of the see-saw and ignoring the other side. If you find yourself only identifying with the "inner you" you have made a choice to only see your "inner side". The challenge is the "ignored" outer you may come out at strange times when you least expect it!

See-sawing,

Tim

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posted February 07, 2007 12:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome---was one of those running questions. I get it now, thanks!

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posted February 07, 2007 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mixing Astrological terms and psychological terms is confusing....

My chart is a locomotive.. 80% of the planets are in houses 7, 8 and 10.
I have Moon in the 3rd and Saturn and Chiron in the 2nd however, and equal house (or koch) chart puts those in the 3rd as well...

I am focused on the outer world and others in general.. but have found as I get older the tide is turning...trpluto is in my 11th trSaturn in my 7th and tr Neptune in the 1st. I have been tearing down, restructuring and becoming more in tune with myself.. It has been tumultuous to say the least...
My arms are not wide open any more is the best way to describe it...I am embracing myself and its been scary....(mid-life-crisis scary) but surprisingly feels like the right thing to do.
It kinda feels like the wheel is turning..
Jeez! It could just be that i am bathed in Neptune at the moment... I probably make no sense at all


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wilsontc
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posted February 07, 2007 01:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
stargazer,

You make an excellent point. Even though our BIRTH chart indicates we focus in a particular area, strong TRANSITS (planets in the sky) can focus our attention to other areas of life where we don't normally (and don't want to ) focus. This can be difficult, for example, if a person has a birth chart with all their energy focused on their Nadir (inner world) but, by transit to the Midheaven (outer world), they have to leave their inner world to deal with the outer world!

On public transit,

Tim

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posted February 07, 2007 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm both a top and a bottom , am evenly split and I do feel evenly split in terms of wanting/avoiding personal attention. If I had to label my personality in this way, I'd say I'm a social introvert.

All my planets are on the left said of my chart. I've read that indicates someone who influences their enivronment instead of being influenced by it. I don't know about the first part of that statement, but I definitely am against being a reactive person. I'll mold myself, thank you very much.

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Moon666Child
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posted February 07, 2007 02:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with SolarThird. It depends on the house placements.

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libraschoice7
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posted February 07, 2007 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only thing that really makes me speak up is my Mars in 1st, if it wasn't for that placement, I don't think I would be so opinionated. Because I do have a stellium in 4th house...

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libraschoice7
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posted February 07, 2007 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wilsontc, you've seen my chart? I've attracted some astro experts today, oh goody I don't want a reputation of a deluded person with an over active sex drive

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posted February 07, 2007 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Noel Tyl:

"Hemisphere Emphasis

Within analysis of astrology's guiding measurements, the creative astrologer must include as much reference as possible to real life, the developmental process. All deductions must be directed to relating the horoscope to the reality being lived by the client.

We are helped in this approach to real-life orientation during development, in a flash, by Hemisphere Emphasis in the horoscope: we can see and understand the orientation to defensiveness and self-protection (of the Ascendant) when the majority of planets are orientated to the East of the horoscope (and/or when planets to the West are conspicuously retrograde, calling attention contrapuntally to the East). The questions then, to guide the analysis, are, why is the defensiveness needed, how much energy has been routined in self-protection throughout development, what has this done to the comfort level with relationships, how long must this posture continue?

We can see and understand an alarm about "unfinished business" in the early homelife registered by planets orientated conspicuously to the North, below the horizon (and/or when planets above the horizon are retrograde, calling attention contrapuntally to the North). The questions then are, what about this unfinished business in the early homelife, what keeps it going in your life now, how has it affected your job development, your professional choices, your relationships, what can we do about it to put it to rest, to stop the drain-off of energy?

We can see and understand the orientation to "others," often manifested in the extreme "giving away" of the Self, when the strong majority of planets is orientated to the West of the horoscope (and/or when planets to the East are conspicuously retrograde, calling attention to the West contrapuntally). The questions are, what has happened to your own self-interests with so much caring for others, how do you understand your being pulled away like this, what are the self-worth concerns involved, when do you think a balance can be reached and what will it take for that to happen?

We can see and understand the orientation to being swept away by events, even to being victimized, when the strong majority of planets is orientated to the South, above the horizon (and/or with Northern counterpoint). The questions are, why does there seem to be no anchor here for development, what's missing in terms of grounding, how has this affected relationships?

This first impression of the horoscope is almost always crucially telling. This first impression based upon the general patterning of the planets within the horoscope hemispheres repeats itself over and over and over again throughout all other measurements. A tonality is established for the life composition."

[Further Study: Tyl, Synthesis & Counseling in Astrology, pages 5-34]

Here's some more:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/hemisphereemphasis.html
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/hemispheres_quadrants1.shtml

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posted February 07, 2007 08:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting
I have 2 planets conjunct my Ascendant -- one right above, one right below......everything else except for Saturn is above the horizon. So technically, I have 8 out of 10 above.

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posted February 07, 2007 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have three on the bottom (Uranus/Saturn/Pluto) and seven on the top (Sun/Moon/Merc/Venus/Mars/Jupiter/Neptune).

I am very concerned with others but not in the sense that I want to be seen.. not in a social sense.

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