posted February 14, 2007 02:15 PM              

I have this. Pluto is conj Sat too. Defensive, but not power-crazed. I have a deep need to be in control of myself, but have no desire to control others...

posted February 14, 2007 02:17 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted February 14, 2007 02:42 PM              

I have 10H Gem Sun squaring 1H Virgo Pluto. My dad was/is very distant and non-involved as a parent. Not abusive, but not a guiding or protective presence in my life either. And since I am a Virgo rising/Pisces moon I really needed guidence and protection as a child, but simply didn't get it. I grow up very vulnerable to abuse from others and traumatic experiences because of this. The two worse, most traumatic expereinces in my life can be linked back to the fact my dad failed me as a father. Also, I have a phobia of being abandoned or abused by people who I care about or trust, so it's very hard for me to get close to people.

My dad has at various times interfered in my life in passive aggressive ways that have badly hindered me in my own pursuits, independence and happiness as well. His "denying" me of certain things (affection, praise, approval, support) is the main way he has managed to control me - it's the essence of our father-daughter relationship. Negation, a void, nothingness - very pluotnian. I'm trying very hard to overcome this, but it's not easy. Right now, he's a massive burden on me, because of his health (COPD and obseity, from refusing to stop smoke and take care of himself). Quite frankly, I'll be much better off once he dies.

posted February 14, 2007 03:27 PM              

Never knew if I was interpreting right, but I guess so. Yeah my dad is emotionally distant. We are just both similar in that we are stubborn as hell (Taurus Sun. Scorp Moon) and defensive. He gets depressed easily, drinks a lot, and can remain inert for hrs. He is also extremely religious... those are the types of things we would usu. argue about... I don't think I've had a convo with him longer than like 15 min in the last 6 yrs.

Meanwhile, my mom (Cap Sun, Aqua Moon) would swing between emotional distance and then being a total helicopter mom. The other day I got a small fishbone stuck in my throat (winks at astrojunkie...). My mom was having a Jesus/Mary/Joseph hypertension moment, thinking it would get stuck there forever. I calmly downed three bananas and a bowl of rice to dislodge it, but she was ready to rush me to the hospital. That is just one silly, mundane example. Needless to say, she has a lot of trouble letting go.

Once I give them grandkiddies though, they will be the happiest, most joyful pair again. There's my grandmaster plan, hehe...

posted February 15, 2007 12:02 AM              

Can we say a Pluto family? O_o My parents are both controlling in their ways. With my mother it's much more subtle and passive-aggressive. She always has to get her way but she'd NEVER admit it. For instance, if I suggest a way to change our house decoration (it's ALL white and she won't have it otherwise...I think it feels like death and I get depressed being there) she freaks out. Obviously she wouldn't accept any ideas of mine, since the house is clearly "HERS."

My relationship with my dad was pretty bad until recently. He would often proclaim himself to be the "king of the house," and that my mother and I had to do as he said or "get out," even though he would never actually kick us out since he's actually a very loving person. His father was a pilot (also Aquarius), and thus away frequently, and he had a really rough childhood with quarrelling parents, father abusing his little brother, etc. At one point his parents got separated but (perhaps unfortunately) got back together. During this time my father moved back to the state where his father was, but his dad was flying all the time so he ended up living in a boarding house I think. So yeah, definitely he was distanced from his father and also his crazy Virgo mother (ALL the WORST Virgo aspects and none of the good parts...she is a living nightmare to this day). She told him frequently he was "Too good to live." Thus...he has a huge ego but at the same time, no real self-confidence. Also, my grandfather was quite "out of it." He never really seemed "there," like he gave up on his life a long time ago.

One interesting thing I notice with my parents, especially my dad, is the tendency to estrange themselves from the "darkside." They seem to often have a "good vs. evil" complex. I feel like my dad envisions himself as a hero type, or envisions his father as a hero, avoiding the darkness and pain. He used to NEVER admit mistakes, such as hitting me, and continually deny them no matter how much I insisted he hurt me. It's sad to me, because I think if he tried to integrate those two opposing forces he would be a much more complete human being and would understand his Plutonian side better, perhaps learning to see himself clearly instead of yelling his head off and pretending nothing happened.

With my mom, it's more like she gets uncomfortable easily with Pluto-like things. She seems to act REALLY naive and sweet all the time, even though she's really a deep person. She's also secretly obsessed with death, hence our all white house (African grave marker in the living room? Yep. Photos of dead plants? Yep. Photos of ghostly statues? Yep), and she reads books about death and dying more than anyone I know. She always tells us stories of people who have died (random people) and how sad it is. My dad and I always go "Let me guess...THEY DIED?!" and she laughs and says "...Yes!" lol We're weird. She also had a hard childhood, mostly with her mother. Her mother would throw out all her stuff and artwork. She'd tell her her artwork was "crap." She also NEVER stopped talking...I think she had some kind of psychological disorder. Also, my grandmother had her own agenda, wanting my mom to be an actress/singer/beauty contestant, when my mom really didn't want to. My mom still went along with it though. Maybe that's become a kind of a repressed power issue she has.

I, on the other hand, with my pluto squaring my sun, am more "in touch" and I could say comfortable with the darkside. However, the squares can cause problems I can't control...I think I've gotten a lot better though, because I'm a pretty self-aware person. A good example of how I see the difference between Sun Opp. Pluto and Sun Square Pluto is: I once painted a picture of a guy holding his bloody heart, and my dad said "that's disgusting." To me it was kind of awesome! I enjoy intensity at times, whereas my parents seem to shun it or at least think it's "bad" in some way.

posted February 15, 2007 04:09 AM              

myself i have moon sq pluto and venus sq pluto, plus mars and saturn conj pluto - i dont wanna start but will say that my mothers [multiple, i think moon pluto is one sign of adoption] all typify pluto, darn it, youd think i would just have to run into it once to get the msg!

but yea, thanks so much!

GN, no I hadnt seen that thread ~ i'll check it out this wknd. hopefully this one isnt too redundant

posted February 16, 2007 05:51 PM              

My ex-boyfriend/best friend has Sun Conjunct Pluto (in Scorpio...in the 1st house), and I remember 2 1/2 years ago when I read the description for that being like "HOLY...WHAT AM I GETTING MYSELF INTO?!" XD Clinical astro stuff is the worst!! lol
Good luck~