posted March 13, 2007 01:11 PM              

Hugs,
Tara.

EDIT: Here're some quick answers from my side:

DD: what do you think is tight in a synastry? Only 2° orb, 4° orb or what would you say? (I`m using 4° orb for now, unless there are conjunctions).

T: In synastry I follow a 3degree orb, unless the aspect draws in more planets and is part of a big geometry in the synastry chart. Then I can go all the way up to 5 degrees. In declinations, I usually use up to 1degree, but if it's part of a geometry then I use up to 1.3 degrees.

But for this progressed thing we're doing, I think Westran is right. a 2degree orb works. I've noticed that when the progressed planetary orb is over 2 degrees, the feelings aren't quite there yet. But as soon as they fall within the 2 degrees, boom! something starts. I think he's absolutely right in this.

DD: do you mean aspects from sun, moon, Venus and Mars to the ASC - DSC? Or would you include aspects of the inner planet like Moon - Mars, too?

T: All of those.

also, I've a quick question for Alisa (if I may jump in). Alisa, are those SA aspects from SA to natal?

Okay, that's all. Thanks for playing with me in this most fascinating study!

posted March 13, 2007 04:01 PM              

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Alisa, are those SA aspects from SA to natal?

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posted March 16, 2007 09:06 AM              

I don`t ave internet access from home right now (big computer trouble), but I got your mail, and will respond as soon as I can do it from home. I don`t like to do it from a public place. There were so many interesting things you wrote and I want to reply to them, but I fear it will take some time, till I get everything sorted out.

posted March 17, 2007 05:42 AM              

I also need your place of birth.
Without it I only calculated the planets, because the ascendants could be off, depending on the place of birth.

HOwever, natally you have some connections that could explain the feeling of being soulmates or at least having a meaningful impact on each other; for example you have:

your Moon conjunct his Sun (widely)
You Sun sextile his Moon
Sun trine Sun (good for basic compability)
Your Sun parallel and conjunct his Nadir (a very strong bilevel aspect; I also think the combination of Sun and Nadir has some similiarities to a Sun-Moon-aspect, since the Nadir or IC is the beginning of the 4th, the Moon-house)
Your Mars parallel and trine his Descendant
Your Mars opposite his Venus

Of course there are more aspects, but those are aspects with personal planets or points, involving the planets, Westran mentions.

In 2003 your progressed Venus had just moved into the orb of a trine to his progressed Mars.
Your progressed Sun was still outside the orb of a trine to his natal Venus (orb was: 3°15), but since this is an applying trine, the Sun-Venus-trine would come into orb, and therefore having an effect, some time later.
Your progressed Venus had been seperating from a trine to his natal Sun (it was just 15 minutes after its exactness), but because it was still in orb, you might have felt it still.
Also, your progressed Mars was applying to an exact trine with his natal Sun, not a love-aspect in the usual sense, but probably indicating a very strong attraction.
Also, his progressed Mars was almost exactly trine your natal Sun (orb was 4 minutes).

So, yes, you have a lot of natal connections, AND additionally you`ve had a whole bunch of progressions (Venus-Mars, Sun-Venus, Sun-Mars), when you met, and I didn`t even include the ASC!

DD

posted March 18, 2007 04:38 PM              

Sorry for not being clear earlier.

DD, hey! I got your email. lotsa stuff and I agree on much of it!! will reply a bit later this week.

posted April 04, 2008 12:05 PM            

Ok

Natal to Natal
his sun trine my moon
his sun trine my venus
my sun quincunx his venus
his sun conjunct my ascendant
my venus trine his mars
my venus quincunx his ascendant

MY natal to his progressed
My N sun square exact his P vertex
My N moon trine exact his P AC
My N venus trine 3deg his P AC
My N psyche conjunct 1deg his P Aphrodite
My N AC trine his P Valentine exact
My N sun trine 1deg his P Eros

His progressed to my natal
My P mars opposing exact his N moon

His progressed to my progressed
His p sun conjunct 2deg my p moon

his p sun conjunct 1deg my p AC

His P mars square exact my P venus

His P AC square 1deg my P AC

His P psyche trine 2deg my P eros


First contact chart
sun trine moon 1deg
venus opposing mars 2deg
moon sesisquidrate ascendant 1deg

Composite Chart
sun trine moon
venus conjunct mars
venus square ascendant
venus conjunct midheaven exact

Oh yeah!!!
DD, you have really made such a difference to my life. Just typing out these aspects gets me so pumped cos they are so great!
Thank you

posted April 07, 2008 12:23 PM              

Totaly right on bumping cause surprisingly, i didnt posted in a thread that you started!! That is VERY ODD

Ive never looked into the solar arc/secondary progressions cause i was uneaware of what they were and that they actually can be looked at when we talk about Paul Westran!

I remenbered that youve talked about him on one of other posts but not so closely.

So,we must look at the time the couple met,right?and then check if there are the Paul Wetrans´s Relationship Aspects.

Well,we met in person June of 2006 so i guess that´s it:

PROGRESSIONS TO NATAL

my P.Sun was conjunct his VENUS(2º)
my P.Moon was opose his VENUS(0º)
MY p.Moon exact trine his Siva( i like this case always appears in our patterns)
My P.Moon trine his ASC(2º)
My P.ASC was conj his IC(3º)
My P.ASC was exact trine his Moon

His P.Sun(29ºLibra)was conj my Saturn(1º)
His P.Moon was conj my IC(4º)
His P.Moon was trine my Sun(2º)
His P.Venus was conj my PLuto!

posted April 07, 2008 12:37 PM              

"That is VERY ODD "
Indeed, very odd. Good that you changed that. No thread of mine is complete without your participation.

"I remenbered that youve talked about him on one of other posts but not so closely."
Well, it`s actually among the 2 or 3 theories I value most, because it does really work. I think the most convincing part of his theory is, that it`s founded on a great deal of research.

my P.Sun was conjunct his VENUS(2º)

So, I think this is the most important progression you`ve had, relationship-wise. Was your p Sun applying or separating from a conjunction to his Venus?

Of course the other progressions are also important, but I really have found that relationships usually are triggered by the progressed Venus-synastry. Well, Paul WEstran`s research is much more extended than mine, but I am always happy to find that theories work so greatly with my own little list of synastries.

The only thing I would add is, that I often,v ery often, found the participation of ASC or DSC, especially Sun-DSC, or Venus-ASC.

posted April 07, 2008 12:37 PM              

His P.Mars was conj my IC(1º)
His P.Mars was trine my Venus(1º) here it is!

My P.Sun was conj his Venus(2º)
My P.Moon was exact conj his Valentine!
My P.Moon was trine his Moon(2º)
My P.SOLAR ASC was exact conj his Saturn!

PROGRESSED TO PROGRESSED:

mY P.Venus WAS exact trine his P.Mars

My p.Mars was trine his P.Mars(2º)

His AC Sa is 22Leo conj my P.Venus 23Leo and P.Mars 25 Leo

posted April 07, 2008 12:56 PM              

However, the solar arc is also interesting (definitely worked in my chart - I have had solar Neptune conjunct Sun and Mercury, when I turned to spiritual concepts in my life).
I wonder, if it works the same way as the secondary progressions do.

Also, keep the orbs under 2°. Usually astrologers even use a tight 1°-orb for progressions and directions). But according to this research the 2° orb seems to work.
http://www.themetaarts.com/200405/basilfearington.html

This astrologer seems to like solar arc very much.

posted April 07, 2008 03:29 PM              

Hmm im afraid i dont know how to distinguish an applying from a separating aspect DD ..

posted April 08, 2008 08:48 AM              

thank you for your explanation

Venus wasnt retro or stacionary so yup it was indeed an applying aspect.

posted April 08, 2008 12:08 PM              

sorry to spoil the fun, but it actually was a separating aspects, because your progressed Sun had already left the exact conjunction to his natal Venus.

Newstar,

would a separating aspect still work as relationship-trigger?
And how many of these Venus-progressions does a relationship needs to get started?
Is one enough, or do we need more of these progressions?
I could imagine that the more progressions there are , the stronger the urge to actually have a relationship might be, but would one progression alone suffice?

posted April 09, 2008 11:10 PM            

Something really odd happened to me last week. I met this guy and something happened. Anyway, l forgot about it and then he tracked me down and rang me!
So l ran your theory on our synastry natals and then progressed to night we met and HOLY SMOKE!

Am l right in thinking that the synastry is BETTER than with my boyfriend?

NATAL - NATAL
my AC conjuncts his Venus
my AC conjunct his jupiter
my eros conjuncts His Sun
my venus trine his mars
My OSIRIS opposes his Atlantis
my Psyche trines his Valentine
his Valentine conjuncts my ARMOR
my Valentine conjuncts his ARMOR
my Chiron squares His Eros
my Chiron opposes His Juno
my Cupid conjuncts his vertex
my Vesta conjuncts his Chiron
his juno conjuncts My Eros
my valentine opposes his OSIRIS
his armor opposes my Vertex
my Isis opposes his Neptune
his Vertex opposes my atlantis
his NN opposes my ceres
my Ceres squares his cupid

PROGRESSED - PROGRESSED
His Vertex conjunct My IC
his Chiron conjunct My DC
his Valentine conjunct my cupid
his ARMOR conjunct my cupid
his osiris opposes my valentine
his Pallas trine my Atlantis
My Eros conjunct his Karma
My NN opposes His Juno
My Chiron opposes His Ceres
my ARMOR conjunct his valentine
my Valentine conjunct his eros
my valentine opposes his moon
my valentine square his Atlantis
my Ceres conjunct his Psyche
my Juno opposes hid NN
my Karma opposes his NN
my AC conjunct his Pluto

NATALS - PROGRESSED
his natal Psyche conjunct My progressed Eros
his natal Valentine trine my progressed IC
his progressed Cupid trine my natal juno
His natal Pallas trine His progressed Vertex
his natal Atlantis opposes My progressed NN
His progressed Ceres conjunct My natal Eros
his natal Moon square my progressed Psyche
his natal Cupid trine my progressed Juno
his natal NN opposes my progressed Karma
his progressed NN opposes my natal Ceres
My progressed IC trine his natal pallas
My natal OSIRIS opposes his progressed Karma
My natal NN opposes His progressed Juno
My progressed Chiron square his natal Eros
my natal Vesta opposes his progressed venus
my natal Vertex opposes his progressed Valentine
my natal Atlantis conjunct his progresses mars
my natal Cupid opposes his progressed mars
my natal Venus opposes his progressed psyche
my natal Moon opposes his progressed psyche
my progressed Karma trine his natal cupid
my progressed AC conjunct his progressed Pluto
My natal Juno trine his progressed Isis

Please tell me what you think cos in a strange way i'm very attracted to this guy!!! I can't stop thinking about him.
Thanks x

posted April 10, 2008 09:17 AM              

WOUld you consider progressions important or revealling about a time when the 2 persons met on~line? Indeed it was a meeting,but virtual one - this always made me think about what really can we consider the 1st contact?

Me and Jonnhy started talking ends of March 2006 and only about 3 months later we met personally - but the real aproximation concerning how we are and stuff,began online,and everyday.

Just out of curiosity,i went to see the progressions:

John

posted April 10, 2008 04:00 PM              

it´s when the 2 persons really have contact with each other,like Magi astrology says when they talk about the 1st meeting charts - but they also include when the 2 persons meet online

It´s a very odd idea but somehow it has its meaning - they give stages to the charts like:

the charts of the relationship of 2 persons change at the time the 2 persons get involved:

if they met online and never touch or saw : it´s their chart of when they met online

If they have met personally but havent got a relationship,the chart is the one of the day,time and place of 1st meeting

If they already are intimate but arent "engaged or married",then its the chart of when they first became intimate

If they are married,then its the chart of the wedding day that is rulling the relationship

and so on...so thats why i thought of looking at progressions to see if they also work in these kind of charts.

posted April 10, 2008 04:36 PM              

the beauty of progressed synastry is, that you can apply it at any moment in your relationship. Of course, the moment the relationship really starts, there will be some strong Venus-progressions. But it is interesting to note how it develops over time.
HOwever, I think to get involved with someone, you first have to pay attention to him and get his attention. And I think progressed synastry could tell you something about that.
I even think that once you notice someone, even a certain singer , there will be progressed synastry.

When I noticed P for the very first time (only heard his voice and saw his photo), there were following progressions:

His pr Venus exactly conjunct my DC
his pr Venus trine my Pluto
my pr Mars trine his Sun
my pr AC trine his Sun

At that time we naturally hadn`t even met, I ahd never seen him in real life, nor did I know where he was at that time - he kinda had disappeared from the face of earth, at least I didn`t know anything.
And I would never have dreamed of me having the possibility one day to really see him.
But despite all this he got my attention, and I think the progressions state that clearly.