posted February 25, 2007 05:52 AM              

his to her
karma conjunt karma
juno conjunct juno
amor conjunct pluto
dna conjunct mars
psyche opposed karma
mercuryconjunct ceres
moon opposed karma
mars conjunct karma
venus conjunct eros
valentine conj eros
valentine conj venus
valentine opp pluto
amor conj pluto

posted February 25, 2007 06:05 AM            

I don't know what that whole 7+1 thing means, is it in one place or two???

posted February 25, 2007 08:07 AM              

His Midheaven falls exactly on her Ascendant - according to some astrologers that`s a sign of a karmic or even soulmate-connection. Even if you don`t believe in soulmates, this aspect speaks of a strong bond and familoiarity between those two.
On a side noter I suspect my attraction to Virgo-risings tems from the fact that their IC often falls into sagittarius, and I have a sagittarius Ascendant and Sagittarius-stellium.

His Sun-Moon-midpoint also falls exactly on her sun-Moon-conjunction. Her Sun-Moon-midpoint falls onto his Descendant - another sign of a strong bond.
Additionally they have a double Sun-Moon-sextile - no matter if there may be differences between them, they share a strong friendship-bond also. They really like each other (and that`s important in a lasting relationship, especially after the first rush of hormones has slowed down).
His Venus is also widely conjunct her Mercury and Venus - nice for communication and it also shows that their lovestyles are quite harmonious.
The Venus trine Neptune provides some very tender emotional exchange, and the Venus-Pluto-opposition provides the necessary spice and passion.
Even though you should keep in mind that Neptune and Pluto are generational aspect; they need some triggers either in the natals or in the progressions or transits, to become really active.
WEll, they both have a Venus in Pisces, so they are in tune with the Venus-Neptune-connection, I guess.
His Venus is also trine her Ascendant, a very loving connection. She embodies all (Asecendant) he finds attractive (Venus).
His Mars trines her Sun -Moon-conjunction, so there`s some more emotional intensity; a very energetic but harmonious exchange of feelings.
Her Sun-Moon-conjunction also falls exactly onto his Descendant, which is a very strong connection. She seems to be all he needs, she complements him. It`s a sign of great attraction.
Also her Mars falls into his 5th house - some strong sexual attraction.
His Sun falls into her 8th house - another indication of deep transformative and passionate connection.

I think, that is really strong and mainly harmonious synastry (they also have some challenging Pluto-aspects), and it shows that you don`t necessarily need a Sun-Venus-Moon-conjunction and a Venus-Mars-trine to fall in love and stay together.
Actually I think it depends on the natals if you can deal with the given aspects.
For example: a connection based on a harmonious Moon-Venus-aspect could be heaven for someone with Libra and Cancer-energy, but it would really bore me after a while. Give me some Pluto instead and I will fry gladly in my own private passionate hell. With Venus-square-Pluto I`m in tune with that fellow, even though I sometimes wish I could only be content with a nice little Moon-Venus-relationship, all soft, tender and lovey-dovey. *sighs* But it will never be enough for me.

So, I g uess, my point is, you have to take the natals into consideration, not only th e synastry or the composite.

But I agree, asteroids can play an amazingly meaningful part in attraction.
For example I tend to be attracted to men, whom I share strong Eros-aspects with or who have their Moons opposite, conjunct or trine my Adonis. It has happened too often to be a coincidence.

DD

posted February 25, 2007 09:46 AM            

Sunshine

posted February 25, 2007 09:56 AM            

Their composite chart has Moon/Psyche conjuncting the South Node, so theirs is most definitely a past life/karmic connection. Wow, I can't get over the Karmas conjuncting, and a lot more of the aspects you mentioned!! They must have a wonderful connection, yes? How nice for them!

posted February 25, 2007 10:31 AM              

But the thing with the nodes - I cannot see it.
Her Node is conjunct her own Nadir, but doesn`t aspect his MC / IC-axis.
On second glance, her Nodes are exactly solstice-conjunct his Ascendant, so there`s some Nodal action, I agree.
I think solstice points are quite underestimated; they act like a "hidden conjunction" - you`re attracted, but you have no clue, why you are.
Yes, this is some wonderful synastry.

posted February 25, 2007 10:37 AM            

NOdes are wonderful connections indeed. My Venus conjuncts my Piscean's South Node (we had an instant rapport from when we met), and our Nodes fall on each other's MC/IC axis, so I guess I was seeing things here that I wanted to see.

posted February 25, 2007 11:14 AM              

you said that her nodes widely conjunct his AC / DC - the orb is almost 13° - would you still count that?
I`m asking because I have something similiar with someone.
We almost have a Venus-Mars-conjunction, but his Venus is 9° from my Mars; usually I would think this is far too wide to have an effect. But his Mercury is roughly on the midpoint of that conjunction, and therefor conjuncts his own Venus as well as my Mars.
Maybe that Mercury acts as a bridge to bring my Mars and his Venus closer to each other?
I`m asking this because I feel a very strong attraction to him. And we don`t really have that much attraction aspects.
But I do feel fascinated and drawn to him. Well, it`s just very theoretical, since he`s a celebrity and I`m never gonna meet him. lol

On another note - yes I have felt the impact of the nodes, too.
I had some nodal action with a man going on. My Vertex, Saturn, Eros and Pan fell onto his Southern Node.
His Saturn widely conjuncted my Southern node as well, and his Ascendant and Venus fell onto my Northern Node.
He made a very strong impact on me, and as you can see, I still can`t stop talking about him.

posted February 26, 2007 04:08 AM              

The study of the above charts along with those of Melinda (Moggy) and her man's chart are more than sufficient to understand the importance of asteroids in synastry.

The most important asteroids in synastry as per current research:

1) Valentine
2) Isis and Osiris
3) Eros and Psyche
4) Karma
5) Juno
6) Amor

If most of the above are well aspected to the main planets as well as to each other, then a very strong bonding from past life connections is indicated.

posted February 26, 2007 09:34 AM              

What is the meaning of Valentine, Isis and Osiris?
I never heard of those asteroids before, but now that you mentioned them, I checked them in my horoscope, and it appears that I have an exact Isis-Osiris-conjunct, only 2° away from my natal Venus.

Also, something funny to mention, I seem to have some interesting asteroid-connections to a certain celebrity (he intrigued me, therefore I started studying his chart, and so I couldn`t help but notice all those interconnections between us):

My Valentine conjunct his Mars (2°)
My Valentine conjunct his Juno (5°)
His Valentine opposite my Venus (0°)
His Valentine opposite my Isis (2°)
His Valentine opposite my Osiris (2°)

My Isis conjunct his Sun (0°)
My Isis opposite his Osiris (3°)
His Isis opposite my Moon (4°)

My osiris conjunct his Sun (0°)
My Osiris opposite his Osiris (3°)

My Eros opposite his Jupiter (4°)
My Eros conjunct his Southern Node (4°)
My Eros conjunct his Vertex (3°)
His Eros conjunct my Juno (3°)

My Psyche conjunct his Amor (1°)

My Karma opposite his Mercury (4°)
My Karma opposite his Venus (3°)
My Karma conjunct his Saturn (0°)
My Karma opposite his Karma (4°)
His Karma conjunct my Sun (6°)
His Karma conjunct my Mercury (5°)

His Juno conjunct my Mars (3°)
His Juno conjunct my AC (5°)

His Amor conjunct my Moon (6°)
My Amor conjunct his Neptune (4°)
My Amor conjunct his Juno (0°)
My Amor conjunct his Mars (3°)

Quite an impressive list, don`t you think?
Or is it normal to have so many conjunctions / oppositions between asteroids with any person?
But maybe it does explain my fascination with this celebrity a little bit.

Also, on a side note: in the Davison-chart there`s a stellium of Sun, Moon, Mercury, Northern Node, Eros and Psyche in Sagittarius in 5th / 6th house;
Valentine and Pluto fall onto the Nadir in Libra;
Isis, Uranus, Osiris sitting in the 4th house;
and Karma is conjunct Venus and Jupiter in Aquarius in 7th house.

REally an intersting chart to study.

DD

posted February 26, 2007 03:44 PM            

I think the orb for asteroids is 3deg, although some people use 2deg. In mine and my lovers snastry we have so many darn asteroid aspects I restricted myself to a 0deg orb just to focus on the strongest aspects.

Of course after I did that I noticed we had mutual karma-pluto aspects which is nice although one of the orbs was 2deg which isn't much but I'd originally overlooked it as it wasn't exact.

posted February 26, 2007 04:16 PM              

yes, you`re right, I should restrict the orb.

Hmm, if I use an 0°-1° orb, but include other aspects, I get:

(My) Juno sextile Jupiter
(My) Juno sextile NOrthern Node
(His) Juno conjunct Amor
(His) Vesta opposite Amor
(My) Eros trine Eros
(My) Eros sextile Lust
(His) Eros trine Anteros
(His) Eros trine Pan
(My) Psyche conjunct Amor
(His) Psyche trine Jupiter
(My) Cupido trine Mercury
(My) Cupido trine Karma
(His) Cupido conjunct Ascendant
(his) Cupido conjunct Lust
(my) Amor opposite Pan
(my) Aphrodite sextile Venus
(my) Aphrodite sextile Isis
(his) Anteros square Karma
(my) Adonis conjunct Moon
(my) Pan sextile Lust
(my) Lust sextile Midheaven
(my) Lust conjunct Ascendant
(my) karma conjunct Saturn
(my) Valentine conjunct Mars
(his) Valentine opposite Venus
(his) Valentine square Midheaven
(my) Isis conjunct Sun
(my) Isis square Midheaven
(my) Osiris conjunct Sun
(my) Osiris square Midheaven
(his) Osiris opposite Venus
(his) Osiris square Midheaven

You`re right, Oz, it`s a funny and interesting new tool.

posted February 27, 2007 03:55 AM              

VALENTINE tells us about our ability to give chaste and sacrificial love to our spouse.

ISIS represents our divine feminine archetype energies of wisdom and Osiris the divine masculine wisdom. Their conjunction indicates a very evolved soul in the matters of masculinity-femininity balance. I have an ISIS-OSIRIS conjuction too. It occurs every 3 and a half years only.

About interconnections, we must use mathematical probability. Pls note that astrology is the highest branch of ancient mathematics, higher than Geometry, Arithmetic and Astronomy.

All of you, pls try to learn this to know which connections are relevant.

There are 360 degrees in a chart. For 2 planets or Asteroids to be in sextile, trine, opposition or conjunction aspect, the probability is calculated as follows:

Number of trines: 2
Number of sextiles: 2
Number of oppositions: 1
Number of squares: 2
Number of Conjunctions: 1

Total aspects: 8

P(aspect) = 8/360 or 1 in 45 chance.

This is for 1 degree orb. For a two degree orb, it is 1/22.5 ; For a three degree orb, 1/15. For a 5 degree orb, one in nine chances! Thus every ninth person will share an aspect if you use a 5 degree orb for the two planetary objects.
(Now you know why more than 4 degree orb is an invalid form for accurate synastry.)

For just conjunction or opposition, the probability is 1/360 for one degree orb and 1 in 72 for 5 degree orb.

Thus, if someone says they found a true love because they have a Mars-Venus conjunction of 5 degree orb, they are hugely mistaken. More than 40 million men will have a similar aspect and no soul can have 40 million true soul mates.

Now, this means we need more aspects and connections.

If A's Mars conjuncts B's Venus and vice versa ( a double whammy), the probability narrows to 1/360 x 1/360 or 1/144,000. This means only 2500 odd men can have a similar aspect. Using the principle of localization that the population is distributed globally across races and age groups, it would mean only 2-3 men in one lifetime would be met who would have this placement. Chances of a true soul mate increase exponentially with a one degree orb double whammy in a crucial aspect.

Now, if there is more than one 1 degree orb double whammy, it indicates a definite chance of a true soul mate. Since Ascendant times vary the fastest, one of the connections HAS to be to the ascendant or a relevant house cusp (5th or 7th or 11th).

So now, what of all the asteroids? By probability, if you take 30-40 asteroids, every 4-5 asteroids will make some connection or the other but you wont easily find a 1 degree oprb double whammy, which is the most accurate test.

I met my wife through mysterious circumstances. We have a 1 degree orb double whammy of VALENTINE and True Node.
And her Karma is exactly on my Ascendant, to the last minute (13.36 Capricorn). Also, we both have our ISIS-OSIRIS conjunct in different signs (once in 3.5 yr occurance) and we have a precise Mars trine Mars, a precsie Mars sq Moon and a precise Venus opposition Saturn. Only one girl born for every few billions can have this kind of a match with my chart and it can happen only in that date in that time in that particular city.

So look for such very precise and deep aspects in synastry. Other links indicate past life friends or acquaintances and hence will also show up frequently but the real deal is a one degree orb double whammy. That has been my experience after comparing my chart to thousands of others.

posted February 27, 2007 05:37 AM              

Thanks,

posted February 27, 2007 12:48 PM              

Thank you for the explanation of Valentine, Isis and Osiris. I also looked up the myth of Isis and Osiris (I remembered it vaguely, but it must have been a very long time, since I´ve read it; since I couldn`t even remember having read it at all).
Both, Isis and Osiris, appear as true examples of maturity and wisdom, as you say.

You also said, that the conjunction of Isis and Osiris indicates a very evolved soul in the matters of masculinity-feminity balance.
Even though this sounds very true, especially in regard to the myth, I don´t see myself this way. I once thought I was an evolved soul; but now I tend to think, that I`m really immature and my former thoughts of being evolved were just a sign of my blind arrogance.
There`s a lot I have got to learn.
But on the other hand I remember several times when I talked to my parents, interpreted their dreams or something like this, they would look at each other, then at me and say: "You never go out. You don`t have a relationship. You know nothing of the world, because you haven`t been anywhere, haven`t done anything people your age should do like partying. How can you know so much about love, relationships and emotional conflicts and evolvement? How can you be so wise, when you haven`t even experienced a fractal of what life can offer?"
I don`t know if this is true. But sometimes I seem to be able to see into other people`s, close friends and relatives, soul. It`s easy for me to understand them, while I am a complete mystery to myself. lol

I like your approach to astrology, especially what you wrote about the orbs. I tried to convince myself that larger orbs work (just so I would increase the chances to have more connections - yes, I know, I sometimes like to wallow in illusions), but I just felt uncomfortable with them.
Actually I tend to think that a sextile with 0° would have a greater effect than a conjunction with 10°.

Also, I think you`re basically right on the "one degree double whammy"-thing, I would think that even singular exact aspects are highly effective and you can feel them. Maybe they don`t indicate soulmate-potential (at least not in isolation), but they could be a sign of a really close relationship or strong connection to someone.

Also, I like to have a look on midpoint-pictures, too; because they involve three planets, not as many people will share a certain midpointpicture as a simple aspect.

Having said that, the comparision with the chart of that celebrity I`ve been talking about, has some "hooks".
We have some affinities and complimentary placements in our natal charts, which I think are important, too.
For example:
We both have Sun in 1st house as well as Mercury; Mercury is also in the same sign; Moons in an Air-sign; My Moon in Aquarius - his Moon conjunct Uranus; both have ASC conjunct Neptune; his Ascendant is conjunct Venus - my Ascendant is conjunct Mars; his Venus is conjunct Neptune; My Mars is conjunct Neptune; his Mars in Scorpio - my Venus square Pluto.

And yes, we share some double whammies (even though not all in the 1° orb), too:

His Venus is conjunct and parallel my Neptune (orb: 3° - which is fairly wide for Neptune, I know); my Venus exactly semisextile his Neptune (I only include this, because the semisextile has an orb of 0°01)

My Mars is exactly conjunct his Neptune and exactly sextile his Pluto

My Neptune is exactly conjunct his Ascendant and his Neptune is exactly conjunct my AScendant

My Pluto is exactly conjunct his Midheaven and his Pluto is exactly conjunct my Midheaven

(I know that Pluto and Neptune are generational planets, but since they are connected to Asc and MC, I thought those double whammies could be important)

My Node is exactly conjunct (Orb: 0°04) and parallel his AScendant;

My Saturn is exactly conjunct and parallel his Southern Node

And of the midpoint-pictures we have for example:
His Mercury exactly conjunct my Venus-Mars-midpoint
My Mars / ASC conjunct his Venus-Mars-midpoint within 1°.

We have a "quasi"-double-whammy including Moon and Adonis:
My Adonis is exactly conjunct his Moon;
and his Adonis is exactly on the antiscia of my Moon

And of course the double whammy of Osiris square Midheaven (even though that doesn`t sound really good, especially since it completes a wide-orbed (the widest orb being about 4°) Grand Cross in our synastry, involving both Nadir`s and Midheaven`s (I include them in aspect-figures), both Osiris`s, both Pluto`s, my Venus and Isis and his Sun and Valentine. That sounds like OUCH!.

But it surely is interesting to include asteroids and also to reduce the orbs to find out the really important connections. Thank you for reminding me of that.

DD

posted July 23, 2008 06:00 AM            

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