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CoralFrequency
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posted March 05, 2007 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This post is about emotional dependence versus emotional independence. I’ll use Cancer/Capricorn as an example of this, but I don’t mean people of those signs as much as the opposition in itself.. which is found in all of our charts. The opposition between 4th/Cancer/mother/emotional dependence and 10th/Capricorn/father/emotional independence.
We have all been there at one point or another.. but especially lately I’ve noticed a lot of posts about relationship heartache and loss. I think it’s important to understand this distinction between being emotionally dependent and independent if you are to move on, be happy and love yourself (which is why I’ll emphasize Capricorn as positive here.. because I’m talking about *moving on*). I realise there are many other traits to both Cap and Cancer that I won’t go into.. This is specifically about -moving on-
My 1st house is predominantly Cancer and my Moon is in Capricorn. I understand both sides. I have been unable to let go of certain things but I’m aware of the *how to* let go mechanism.

There are certain things that typical interpretations don’t tell you about the sign of Capricorn. For instance you often hear that Capricorn is cold. The second thing you hear is that they are ‘hiding’ feelings – faking emotional independence to appear cool and in control. I disagree with that. Yes Capricorns have feelings but they do not *fake* emotional independence. This isn’t an act. It’s very honest and real. Having emotional independence isn’t the same as being emotion-less or cold.

Capricorn’s emotional independence is a part of them. It isn’t something they *try* to achieve. It isn’t something they have to work at displaying or an act they show the world. It is a product of having a HIGHER GOAL deeply ingrained in their psyche, in their spirit and in their heart. Not many Capricorns will make a love relationship or any sort of relationship a goal in itself. They appreciate people and relationships, but relationships are not the goal.. They are the means to reach the goal (as you learn something from every relationship).

Capricorn sees others as their company on the journey towards the light at the end of the tunnel. Some stay. Some leave. Some walk with you all the way. Others take a right or left turn onto their own paths. Relationships come and go. – You learn from them and you keep ‘climbing’ forward to greater heights - It doesn’t disorient the steady Goat sign in the least. This is a very good example of handling break ups in a healthy way and moving on in the pursuit of your life and spiritual purpose (goal).

Cancer (as a sign – or better put - when you are playing the negative side of Cancer/clinginess, in a relationship) feels he/she is walking the journey alone and the light at the end of the tunnel is equivalent to finding people to love who can give love back. This emotional loneliness Cancer feels is an illusion. Capricorn as a sign knows *this*.

Being the sign of karma, they have the certainty that everything happens for the best and that things will turn out fine in the end.. as long as you keep putting one step in front of the next on your journey.
Cancer needs to understand this assurance from Capricorn. It’s kinda like a promise.. Picture a fatherly voice whispering to you “everything will be OOOO …K and God will take care of you, but you have to do your part and keep moving forward”

quote:
Those with a Capricorn Sign soul potential are known for being responsible, sagacious, goal-oriented, loyal, committed, disciplined, and reality based. They value precedent as a learning experience and place high value on maturity and wisdom. They help others see the path to their soul mission and continually make adjustments to succeed at the goals they’ve set.

http://www.romantic-ideas-for-life.com

This last part is very important. There are always lessons you can learn form opposite sign pairs and how they interact. If you could meet every opposite sign pair half way, you would theoretically be in a point of perfect balance.
Here the balance is between emotional dependence and emotional independence.

Key point there: *soul mission*. Have a *soul mission*! Understand that this is your individual *mission*, not your partners mission; not a mutual mission *with* a potential partner; nor a mission to GET a partner.. It has to be something that goes much deeper than physical love or romantic love.. Something you can really strive for independently and individually.

Now, I don’t mean to get fanatical about this. I’m sure there are other ways to get over broken relationships. But I do believe Capricorn is very good example to follow in being an independent person on a feeling level. This entails loving yourself but also feeling love for something greater than yourself (a purpose) so you do not get your personal power and strength from the emotions of other people. You need your own spiritual support basis and the ability to stand on your own two feet spiritually.. and most of all you need trust, perseverance and forward movement. Cancer moves one step forward/two steps back. Capricorn moves steadily forward. I am not saying the Cancer way is bad and the Capricorn way is good. No. There are situations where reflection on past events is meaningful and important.. But in this particular situation: in broken relationships that you can not get over, that make you stay up all night.. unable to eat/drink/get out of bed etc.. I believe that negative Cancer traits taken to an extreme describe this state perfectly.. and that following positive Capricorn traits is the easiest, most natural way to fix the situation and feel better.

Here are some traits I’ve taken from Capricorn NN.. that show the movement from Cancer to Capricorn. Again I don’t mean people of those signs. I believe this is a movement we *all* go through especially after a broken relationship.. from emotional Cancerian clinginess to Capricornian independence and forward movement.

quote:
Cancer sign: (old patterns)----->Capricorn sign: (new possibilities):
• Too sensitive...............................................Self-sufficient
• Crabby........................................................Responsible
• Manipulative..................................................Paternal
• Obsessed with past............................................Wise
• Clingy............................................................Ambitious
• Too reserved................................................Hardworking
• Childish.........................................................Conservative
• Passive..........................................................Traditional
• Needs being needed........................................Meticulous
• Smothering.....................................................Enterprising
• Insecure.........................................................Economical
• Negative..........................................................Disciplined
• Easily hurt......................................................Committed
• Timid............................................................Goal Directed

http://www.romantic-ideas-for-life.com

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CoralFrequency
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posted March 05, 2007 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here’s a questionnaire I made up as well. It may help to answer these questions for yourself or at least think about them. You don’t have to answer them on here, unless you’d like to.

1. What do you do in life? (study or work or both..)

2. What do you do for fun?

3. Is there anything recreational you do regularly? (like a sport for instance..)

4. What are your future goals?

5. *taurean lesson here* (my NN).. Do you value yourself? Do you believe you deserve only the best (what you see as best for you)?

6. Do you assess love interests based on:

- how good they are for you
- how good you are for them
- both of the above in equal measures

7. Are you happy without a partner?

8. If not.. Why not?

9. Have you ever thought of a romantic interest as a *future goal* in themselves?

10. If yes.. Do you believe this way of thinking is healthy or unhealthy? Why?

11. What message did you get from your parents as to career/relationships and your future? What did they expect/want from you?

11. Do you feel you have the support of good family and friends in your life?

12. Do you think there may be something missing from your life that leads you to continue relationships with people who are not right for you or hurt you?

13. Arrange these things in the order the matter most to you:

- family
- friends
- what you see as your spiritual purpose
- romantic and sexual love
- universal love
- career
- money

14. Are you open to the possibility that you have a spiritual meaning and reason to be in this world.. individually.. completely regardless of any romantic partners you may have or not have?

Ok phew.. I’m done. I really hope this helps. It saddens me to see so many posts about people who have been hurt and can’t find ways to move on.

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intothelight
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posted March 05, 2007 03:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi CoralFrequency,
Found your post very interesting and as someone who was with a Cap for many years I have to disagree with your saying that Capricorns are not cold, in my case and from my experience of the one I am married to, he is ice frozen, in heart, body, soul and mind.

To cut a very long story short he walked away from his children and obliterated them from his mind and fights me through the court system to NOT pay towards their upkeep, something I cannot comprehend, as I said, I hope that this Cap is not the norm.

Still your post makes great reading but I had to reply as someone going through the mill with a certain Cap whose, heart and soul is very much in ice and refuses to thaw.

xx

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AcousticGod
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posted March 05, 2007 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, and very true.

A couple cents on relationships:
Another person doesn't really make you complete, though another person can enrich your life. Another person is another separate person with ideas, goals, and a personality different than your own. Successful relationships allow both people to be themselves to a comfortable degree while collaborating on mutually beneficial living arrangements. Like CoralFreq was talking about, this means that they can still act individually (Capricorn) as well as cooperatively (Cancer) with you. If you're trying to completely merge (Cancer) with another, then each person's individuality is at risk and that individuality will have to assert itself at some point thereby wrecking the goal of merging. Conversely, if two people emphasize individuality (Capricorn) to too great a degree the idea of merging will cease to hold any motivation for the couple.

Part of what I'd recommend for people who have gone through a series of similarly bad relationships is to change things up. Try out a different type of person, because clearly what you believe to be "your type" isn't actually your type at all. Don't get too caught up in Sun sign compatibility either. You'd be amazed at the unusual and beneficial lessons you can learn from dating what you might consider an unusual sign. (Like you may learn that without the passion of merging with a sextiling/opposing sign that you're able to express your individuality in a more healthy way thereby keeping the relationship in a better balance overall.)

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CoralFrequency
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posted March 05, 2007 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great points AG!

Intothelight,

I know my post is a bit confusing because I start of saying that I'm not talking about Cancer or Capricorn as people of a certain sun sign and then later I say "they" or "his/her". The only reason I do that is because I find it easier to explain things that way. But please don't take this to mean all Cancer and Capricorn people. There are all sorts of people in every sign. I'm sorry you've had such a negative experience with the Capricorn man

I'm talking about Cancer and Capricorn as *sign lessons*.
I guess because they are opposites I realized that negative Cancerian behavior such as clinginess/inability to let go of the past/perpetual sadness could be 'cured' by positive Capricorn behavior such as having a spiritual goal/climbing forward/moving on/being emotionally independent.

In the same vein, you could say that negative Capricorn behavior such as coldness/materialism/aloofness can be 'cured' by positive Cancerian behavior like emotional understanding/unconditional love.

When I say Cancer and Capricorn here I mean the specific Cancerian and Capricornian behaviors. I'm sure there are many people on this site who have cried and pined over an ex lover or became clingy when a loved one left them or were not able to move on.. and I am sure they are not all Cancers.. But astrologically you could define this as the negative side of Cancer. We all have a bit of Cancer in us. We all have a bit of Capricorn in us.

The reason I only spoke about the example where negative Cancer behavior is improved by positive Capricornian behavior is because this seems to be our prevailing issue on the site at the moment.. There are lots of threads where I see people playing the Cancer role - getting hurt/living in the past/inability to let go/inability to move forward..

So I was thinking maybe if they saw it in more concrete terms as the Cancer/Capricorn axis.. they would have a better idea of *how* to come out of the depression.. by encouraging (positive) Capricorn behaviors in their personality.. Moving away from Cancerian sadness/clinginess/hurt.

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Stargazer
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posted March 05, 2007 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you CF for posting this...
Coming from a Cap rising girl... i feel the push pull of this axis very well...
I will ponder your questions...
Thanks again!

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"Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment"

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MysticMelody
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posted March 05, 2007 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you make perfect sense. Brilliant.
I always say "Cap energy" or "Cancer vibe" to distinguish between a person of that Sun sign and the energy of the archetype.

Lib Sun
Cap Moon in 1st
Cap AC
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