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Ray Beeze
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posted March 15, 2007 10:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This woman is driving me crazy! Any help for me? I'm falling for this married Sag woman everytime we talk. She's a techer and very busy and everytime I suggest we take a break from talking she doesn't. She gets weird. Help.

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Ray Beeze
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posted March 15, 2007 04:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to add I respect the fact that she is married. I just don't want to disappear from her life because I do love her as a friend. It's just I don't want any friction.

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hippichick
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posted March 15, 2007 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may not like this reply, but in my experience married individuals can not be "friends" with anybody of the opposite sex---providing they are straight---unless the frienship includes the partner(s) and/or the individuals were friends before the union of marriage took place...

I have a young Saggie gfriend that was miserable in her marriage and she sought out a friendship with a co-worker that turned into an affiar....She was simply seeking the attention that her husband was not providing at the moment and when she finally realized she was doing nobody any good, she ceased communications with the "friend" and guess who was hurt the most???

The friend.....

Blessings.....

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yourfriendinspirit
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posted March 15, 2007 06:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shes a sag... right?
Be honest with her!

Tell her you're attracted, respect that she's married and enjoy her friendship immensely.

She is capable of being "just a friend" and this will clue her in to that fact that she may be flirting as well. -Giving her an opportunity to tone it down.

You may discover a more enriching friendship for both of you.

Sending love your way,
yourfriendinspirit

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amisha121877
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posted March 15, 2007 06:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I suggest we take a break from talking she doesn't"

have you told her why you want to take a break from talking? besides, we sags like to talk but when someone moves in on a - i like you more than a friend - it gets uncomfortable if the thought hadn't crossed our mind. if you want her to take a break from talking to you - tell her how you feel about her. that will do the trick in "taking a break from talking" but i can't guarantee you two will be talking again or that she won't continue talking to you as if you had never told her that you had feelings for her that were more than just a friend but at least, you would feel a lot better because you told her how you felt

best of wishes

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Ray Beeze
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posted March 15, 2007 06:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks y'all for the feedback. This woman is so stunning. I love to watch her run around. What a fireball! And she says such off the wall comments, she makes me laugh. Boy howdy! Her husband is a very lucky man indeed.

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posted March 15, 2007 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes...be honest with her about your feelings and she will understand. A Sag woman is capable of just being friends (at least I am). Sometimes our enthusiasm or friendly bubbliness is taken as flirting. I am sure you two are friends and know more about each other, so she is not just flirting. But as I have mentioned before about us Sag women, we're being our normal, inquisitive selves around people and they mistake our friendliness as flirting. It's not. At work I know not to cross that line.

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villy
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posted March 18, 2007 07:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Ray Beeze,

Whats your sun sign?

I was in the same situation like you few months ago. It was quiet tormenting not knowing what her feelings were. Was it just my infatuation or something like a connection etc. I used to oscillate between keeping distance and trying to act normal. Its surely is difficult situation. In the end I tried to make up my mind to confront her. I wanted to do that face to face (not sure if I would have been able to do that ), however I spoke her about this on phone. And she said there was nothing from her end.

Though it might have been the right thing to confront her and clear up the matter, I still feel guilty about the whole episode. It’s like falling down in someone’s eyes for me (though she may not disrespect me, however for me I would always think of loosing self respect- Thinking something wrong based on normal interaction n all).
So it was like two edged sword for me. Not opening up was like smoldering the feelings and keep the flame alive; disclosing it was like falling down from a pedestal.

I myself wanted to be away from her due to my feelings for a married person (even before disclosing). Luckily when I confronted her I was away, and I never returned back to that office and switched to a new one. So now the interactions are very rare – just two or three work related (never face to face).

Also due to office thing, I feared if she would disclose this matter in office. She said that she won’t (she did mention that she disclosed it to her husband for feedback of her behavior). Not sure how Sagi’s are in this matter - secrets (Bluetopaz – your inputs please )
Recently I met another colleague of mine and he was enquiring about her. When I said I was not in much touch with her, he commented that ‘you two were quiet close’. So now I am not sure if it was due to matter being out or its just his perception from what he saw from our interactions (which again make me think did she have something more than a normal colleague relation).

Also like hippichick said, you don’t want to get hurt. I always think that if someone wants me, let them come and tell me rather than me opening up (not due to me not wanting show my neediness, just that its more of Pisces passiveness). However in this instance my Aries Venus betrayed me sigh

Take care

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Ray Beeze
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posted March 19, 2007 03:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Howdy Villy.

I'm a Virgo. My friend is an adult language teacher for adults that have moved to Scandinavian.

We are close. Hugs, kiss on cheeks and long emails. Mostly about her life, her kids and what I find odd she harldy mnetions her husband.

Another problem that's come up

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Ray Beeze
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posted March 19, 2007 03:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
her co-workers have noticed the talks we have or the stares we give each other. We're always laughing or touching and get real quiet when someone passes us. It can appear to be something that it is not. We're just private about what we talk about it, I guess.

These co-workers know that she is married and I don't want them to start nasty rumors. The other thing is she becomes very angry every time I tried to break contanct.

Anyway, I need to accept the fact that no relationship will ever happen with her. That hurts but hurts even more is loosing my wonderful friend I've found in her.

I've told her my feelings. She didn't say much only that she needs some right now. I am more than happy to give her that. So, I wait.

Any suggestions?

All your Sag women rock!

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Ray Beeze
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posted March 19, 2007 03:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry.

She says that she needs some space.

And all you Sag women rock!

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MelanieB
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posted March 19, 2007 03:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the post. This clears something up for me. I am a Sag too, and have been misunderstood since grade school. Always the guy and others around seemed to think I was interested in more than friends. I was always told it must be the way I talk, walk, whatever, so I just started keeping to myself and I guess that is why I still tend to do that. As for why she told her hubby, well, IMO, either to make him jealous or see what his reaction would be. I wouldn't tell my husband, because in all my years, they always end up taking it the wrong way. (even if it is completely innocent and platonic) I seem to attract the possesive jealous type. I was actually that way too, but the older I get, the less I am that way. Since I had children, I am more focused on them instead of men. So maybe that is why she is angry with you. She wants her cake and to eat it too?? In other words, she wants to keep her life and her husband, but still wants you as a friend or otherwise and doesn't want you to find someone else to take her place. HTH

Melanie

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jupitersgirl
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posted March 19, 2007 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jupitersgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a sag, I'm also usually misunderstood that way. I still can't figure out why so many guys think that I "flirt" with them. I just want to be friends, and I'm usually very close to my friends, but most guys get it the wrong way or they want to see it like that I don't know.

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Ray Beeze
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posted March 19, 2007 04:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Melanie B and jupitersgirl, you ladies are right. My friend is just being herself and I mistook that for something else.

Is right to assume that all Sag women are like that? What are the chances that she'll come around to talk tome again? I believe she had a Pieces (sp.) by the way.

Much fun. RB

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posted March 19, 2007 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jupitersgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of the sag woman I know are like that, but we really don't have bad intentions, we're usually misunderstood. I think she was very happy being friends with you and felt very close to you and acted like that because of it.
Give her some space and be natural around her. I'm sure she'll talk to you again.

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villy
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posted March 19, 2007 08:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray Breeze,
Same here, I got into such a nasty (have to say nasty as all my thoughts, that she too has something for me, were wrong) situation because of the same – her husband never came in to picture during office work/talk. I know its professionalism n all, still it’s something which I felt uncommon. In my case we didn’t have so much talk, however for me it was some unseen attraction (connection).

I don’t know why people misunderstand, however one of the points that come to my mind is –
Sagi women tend to interact more tom-boyishly (as compared to other females). (In my case, it was odd to have her in close proximity/body distance while interacting – comparing to other females. Being a married one, I would expect someone to be bit more careful as compared to single ones.
(maybe being married Sagi’s might lower their guard more, thinking that, everyone knows she is married so she can be carefree)

In fact after discussing about my feelings to her, I also commented to her, that she should take care on how she interacts with others. Then I apologized for the same, as it’s me who misunderstood her interactions. And others have never commented on her interactions (plus she never gave any hint of she being interested in me and it was just my feeling that she has something for me); so it must be my issue. I feel bad that, going forward she might have started restricting her-self while interacting with others. I didn’t want her to modify her nature due to my issues/wrong feelings.

MelaineB -
Interesting – attract the possessive jealous -> frankly I had some kind of work specific jealousy (not a negative one) before I got feelings for her. Its just that I tried to compare her progress-n-all; never in a negative way, however something used to make my mind feel the jealousy. It’s interesting to note that how attraction grows through such a kind of jealousy. Maybe this is another aspect of feelings and attractions

RB,
Not sure how your personal traits are, however I always think that if I am close to her, I might still get feelings for her (even after she told that she doesn’t have any); What if she too gets feelings after a while. I don’t want to interrupt her normal married life in any way, so I always thought that I wanted to be away from her and better not to have any interactions with her.

Good luck.


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posted March 20, 2007 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a Sag and I think one of the reasons Sag females give off the impression that we're into a guy in a romantic way when it's actually purely friendship is because many Sag women are very into strong partnerships. I like to have somebody at work (or school, any large social environment) who's my partner in crime. And since I am a bit of a tomboy in ways, I get along well with men so my "partner" is just as likely to be a guy as a girl. I think being in this close partnership, particularly if there's any sort of physical chemistry, can produce misunderstandings on the male's side because since he's my partner for fun at work I'm at my most happy, energetic, and mischievous in his company and that can naturally make the guy think that this focused attention has romantic motives when it's really just a desire for a (fun, platonic) partner. And if I'm going to be completely honest, I can at times be a flirt and my humor can be a bit raunchy, so that just adds to the confusion.

Once I understood how I was contributing to the misunderstanding, I did modify my behavior. Villy, I know you said that you wouldn't want the woman you were interested in to change, but I know that I personally feel better about myself now that I'm more cautious and think more closely about the effect my behavior may be having. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings--the work friend or my boyfriend (who, incidentally, started out as my work partner in crime)--so I make it clear that it's all platonic from my end. I don't have any formal conversation, usually I'll communicate it through jokes, but I find just being conscious of this potential misunderstanding and my role in it has made it less likely to occur. I don't even act much different. A few comments are usually enough to make the relationship's dynamic clear.

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yourfriendinspirit
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posted March 20, 2007 01:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jane, you hit the nail on the head exactly!!! You described me quite well...
Sun Sag, Libra Moon, Aries Ascend
{{{ Partner in crime }}} sOoooooo true!
*blushing now

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Sendin' love your way,
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villy
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posted March 20, 2007 08:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jane
Yeah, I just thought if its just only me then someone shouldn’t change their nature; however if its common then yes, its better not giving wrong signals. Yep those few comments surely helps to see the situation in different light.
I think talking about family (husband/boyfriend) at times, might also help in avoiding confusion.
Other thing was her freedom at work (from her family perspective), I mean staying late at work n all, without much calls with her family. That also put me off track. Probably her husband also might be getting late that she could stay at work late often; however it used to make me think ‘whats with this female, doesn’t she need to go home now’
I guess, Sagis wanting so much independence and being career oriented, might explain that.

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LILYGIRL
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posted March 20, 2007 08:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am Sag Rising. I think Sag girls--most of them can sometimes radiate an energetic optimism which can be a bit infectious and it's nice; it's a relief for those who are not used to having a woman make them laugh, or be carefree or generally optimistic (as opposed to down, whining, angry etc...)

Having said that my Sag relates easily with men on a chatting friendship basis (aslo Gem Sun Mercury). I am not sure what that is. I used to think it wa shaving three brothers and a dad!!! But anyway, Villy you said:

"I think talking about family (husband/boyfriend) at times, might also help in avoiding confusion. "

Man, that is so true. I have to confess that D' never talks about his wife and I never talk about my husband and that tells me we have a bit of a dreamy crush problem even if we don't act upon it. We talk alot about our children but not our spouses.

You are dead on. Usually the best way to diffuse another man's interest in you is to speak regularly, plainly and positively about your husband. I find it is a good safeguard!

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posted March 21, 2007 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yourfriendinspirit - My time spent at work would be so boring without a partner in crime. They certainly bring fun and energy into the day, don't they?

villy - You're so right about talking about significant others to avoid confusion. I'm naturally a private person about my personal life (Scorpio ascendant?) and used to never talk about my love life at work. I still rarely do, but at times I'll mention my bf and I think it makes it clear to everyone (i.e., potential gossip hounds) that I'm happily taken and I'm just having fun at work with people whose company I enjoy. Anyway, you and Ray both sound like such great guys. I hope you meet (or have already met) an available woman who can offer you more of a good time.

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Ray Beeze
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posted March 21, 2007 08:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi y'all.

Villy I see my Sag friend in school and well being that close wouldn't bother me. I just want her to tell me how we go from here. I miss my buddy.

I guess Sags are misunderstood just like Virgos.

Jane, there have been times when my friend would be walking up the hall she's appeared so worried or sad. I'd go up to her and this huge smile would break out on her face and we picked up where we left off. She'd become more of herself.

On one hand I feel as if I need to leave her alone and the other I feel that it would cowardly of me to do so. Any suggestions? She hasn't spoken to me, is this a sign to take a hike?

One thing I have to say, when we first met, there were no connection. Later, I'm not sure how or why we just clicked.

When Sag woman have a partner in crime, do they keep these relationships private? Kind of like when you're together it's us (us=Sag/partner in crime) against the world sort of thing.

You Sag women are smart and sexy in soft skin. I hope an unattached one comes my way.

Much fun. RB

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posted March 21, 2007 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She might be playing it cool because she doesn't want to encourage you or hurt your feelings, since you are the one who would get hurt if she got involved with you deeper than friendship.

Too, if other people in the office are noticing your interactions, she might be flying under the radar purposely to let things cool a bit...

I guess it would be best to find out where her head is at these days...since you're missing your friend. She has probably been very aware of how close you've become, but it didn't get so real until you came out and said something...maybe then she realized she needs to back off a bit.

I hope you do find your own unattached Saggie woman!

Laura

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