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Venus De Milo
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posted March 22, 2007 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering what all your thoughts are on having overly positive synastry? Lots of contact with the personal planets, and pretty much no squares or difficult oppositions.

Have you experienced this? Was it bliss, or was it "too easy"?

I'm so curious! Thanks!

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LILYGIRL
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posted March 22, 2007 10:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My shortest pleasant relationships , for example summer friendships, brief friendships with other parents at my children's schools etc have often had really lovely synastry, lots of conjunctions and trines, etc.

I have been married 17 years, have two or three friends from 20 years ago, and have a small number of neighbors, former bosses, and male friends etc who have been in my life for say 15-20 years. What do they all have in common? I have good Mercury aspects with all of them (deep, juicy communication aspects not always the traditional love, sexual attraction,romance aspects) and a very generous dose of squares (less oppositions than squares). I notice that I have few long term relations with heavy conjunctions with persons outside of this household who I love asnd respect. I have more conjunctions with my children than most other human beings.

Some of this conversation is about longevity ..... I love the short quick ease of an easy chart but my personal relationship history good or bad prefers a bit of challenge, some work and God I love people who are a bit like minded but really clearly diffferent from me in some way. I think it is because I think I learn through them. It is very hard for me to learn from and love someone whose every thought, mood political view, and behavior are transparent or a mirror of mine.

And finally I have to say for me and this is only me, the biggest fiasco for me is hooking up with a tightly conjunct moon or sun. I swear to God it's like being back in college and living with three other women who all have their periods at the same time....I don't want someone else in my intimate space to be battling the almost identical feelings and moods at the identical times and spaces that I do. (Think transits!) When it's great; it's great but when it's lousy, it's unbearable. It's like the cosmic megaphone that ate your space.....

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Venus De Milo
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posted March 22, 2007 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Lily, that was awesome. Really painted a picture for me

I'm asking, because a friend of mine has this amazing synastry with a guy she's been seeing for about a year. We don't know his birth time, he's not on good terms with his mother and doesn't know, unfortunately.

I'm always wary of telling other people about their synastry, so I just tell them about the great potentials that are there and emphasize the potentials and talk about the "challenges" and impress upon them that there are no deal breakers. Relationships are about learning, etc, etc.

Although I don't know what his angles are... I see no Saturn aspects, even with a 5 degree orb (I usually use much less, but I was reaching!). Which is a bit baffling, because although he lives 5 hours drive away and they only see each other a few times a month, they're incredibly close. She's madly in love with him and from what she tells me, he loves her too. I would have thought for the relationship to endure this long, there'd have to be some Saturn... or is a year not enough time for the "Saturn glue" to kick in or fail the relationship?

But the contact between their personal Planets and Pluto and Uranus is nothing short of mazing. They're like 2 pieces of a puzzle. They share the same birthdate (5 years apart), his VEnus is conjunct her Mars, his Pluto is conjunct her Moon... and then depending on his time of birth... his Moon is either opposed her Moon or conjunct her Venus. His Jupiter is conjunct her North Node too! These are all within a 1 degree orb!

So, I'm just really curious. Plus the 1-year duration is throwing me off, because if I didn't know them, I would assume it would be an extremely intense, short-lived fling. Unless, her Saturn is conjunct one of his angles... which we don't know the placement of

I'm just trying to learn and connect the dots between theory and practice... thanks for your help Lily

I'd love to hear any of your further thoughts on it (or anyone else's! )

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Nightjar
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posted March 22, 2007 11:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Unless, her Saturn is conjunct one of his angles...

Exactly. It amazes me how many, MANY people only look at the aspects and completely ignore the synastry house placements.
But when making birth chart interpretations these same people somehow manage to place a lot of emphasis on planets in houses.


Interestingly, with two of my best friends I have a real squarefest going on in the synastry grid, but our personal planets fall into each other's "pleasant houses". And our composites are pretty nice. But then again you were asking about intimate relationships, which makes it a bit different, but I just wanted to mention this

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Venus De Milo
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posted March 22, 2007 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh no, Nightjar, I'm really interested in your thoughts, even if it's just a friendship, because it's interesting to hear how relationships pan out.. on paper and IRL

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Lana29865
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posted March 23, 2007 07:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Nightjar - house placements are clearly ignored in synastry with no good reason whatsoever, and almost all the emphasis is on aspects.
The houses in individual charts get much more attention than in synastry/composite charts.

I suppose synastry is just so complicated that we are just learning to see the big picture.

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LILYGIRL
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posted March 23, 2007 10:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are:
"pleasant houses"? versus ?? less or not so pleasant houses? Astrology isn't set up like that just like a careful analysis of say saturn aspects will reflect very positive possiblities and very trying hideous possiblilities....

Each house has its intrinsic focus, its upside it's deeper underbelly.

For example.... the 5th can be creativity, children and it can also be gambling, excessive fun and games. 7th can be marriage, deep love or secret enemies...etc..etc....

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Nightjar
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posted March 23, 2007 10:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it at all, because I didn't want to start splitting hairs over the subject.
Just like there are "pleasant aspects" there are houses that can be considered more "pleasant" to have personal planets in in synastry. Maybe you see it differently, and that's fine.

And yes, I understand the complexity of astrology, but it was just a short comment instead of a deep-penetrating analysis.

edit: I'm aware of the nature of different houses; if we'll start to cling to words like you just did, people have to start writing essay-like replies to all questions.
Besides, I would be more bothered by posters who tell how a single synastry aspect means that the people involved will be irresistably attracted to each other. There are quite a few of those on this forum.
That's all

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LILYGIRL
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posted March 23, 2007 12:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear you and I apologize if you were offended by my comment. That wasn't my intent. I did not understand the phrase "pleasant houses", and I guess you're correct, I don't subscribe to the notion of a pleasant house versus a less or unpleasant house with or without planets in them.
... I agree that a singular aspect thrown on a relationship isn't helpful and that looking at houses is vital.

Hey Venus. I'm glad it was somewhat helpful...On the Saturn comment. I don't think it has to be on an angle..etc... I think astrological research has however borne out that saturn contacts to personal planets in synastry are very frequently found in marriages which have survived the test of time. Saturn is a task master but a grounder and I think it's difficult to have long term bonds without a few solid hits coming from it.

I am currently trying to analyze the charts of the British couple Percy and Florence Arrowsmith who were the longest married couple alive until he recently died. They were married 80 plus years and featured in a GUARDIAN article and the infamous Guiness Book of World Records .... What is so juicy fascinating is the number of hard saturn contacts (like moon oppose saturn being one and I believe uranus conjunct saturn being another). Both have Leo Moon (he PISCES sun, her Scorpio Sun) and they were cute, still holding hands and smooching at the end.

The husband says the secret to a happy long marriage is two words, "Yes Dear..." Yeah I'd stay married to him for 80 years too LOL.....

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libraschoice7
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posted March 23, 2007 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sun and Venus are in someones 8th house(someone on this board)and as far as I can tell I've had no real romantic effect on this person, I hope at least they've enjoyed some of my posts. So that whole house thing, I am starting to think that could go either way. It could be the other person's planets get cozy within that certain house(whatever the house represents)as well. Besides you never really know how someone will react to certain planets in their house's, same thing with aspects everyone responds to different things. So just because my mars might fall in someones 5th house doesn't always mean they will hot for the touch of my body

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

I "FEEL" therefor I am

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Nightjar
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posted March 23, 2007 07:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No no, everything's cool Lilygirl
By the way, I love the guy's comment you wrote.

libra: I'm a firm believer that it is the planet person (instead of the house person) who feels the effect more strongly. This is how it's always been in my life. A very good book about the subject is E.W. Neville's Planets in Synastry.
I've discussed the matter in some earlier threads, so I won't go into details now. Takes up too much time!
And yes, I very much agree: you have to always look at the big picture when trying to interpret charts, study the individual charts and also take into consideration the stage of life of both individuals (maybe have a look at their transits or solar charts? and marital status ).

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