posted April 02, 2007 08:26 AM              

I could just cut the person out of my life because it would be the easiest solution...BUT NOOOOOOOO!!!! My Scorp mind had me invisioning every fricking variable and possible outcomes from five different angles.

Examples (30 minutes worth :P )

Should I try to be the better person and give said person a break and forgive? But what if I forgive them and they are really just trying to be my friend again so they can screw me over? (INVISION SEVERAL SCENARIOS HERE) What if I stay friends but not trust said friend...but that wouldn't be very kind, would it? I should just forget the whole thing. But what would happen if I did that? For one thing, said friend could honestly just want to be friends and is honestly sorry and we could go back to the way we were OR said friends might be going through a hard time they haven't told me about and maybe they are just taking it out on me. People do that. I wonder what it is? (SEVERAL MORE SCENARIOS) On the other hand, anyone who could do what they did to me...blah, blah, blah...(SEVERAL MORE SCENARIOS WORTH)...blah blah blah...

OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE! Then it hit me--I'm being very Scorp here! Please tell me I'm not the only Scorp who does this?

So I am proposing a game: C'mon Scorp share your deep secret thoughts that you just know you are keeping in that secret box we have. We know you want to...How do you think about things?

posted April 02, 2007 08:50 AM              

Well my incessant mental rabbling begins when the poor guy has shown beyond a doubt that he is crazy about me - we spend cool times together and things are fine - THEN he starts to chill out, he gets comfortable and thiks he has juz got me and doesn't need to try anymore (this can be after only 3 or 4 weeks i must tell you) - well then that just sends me!

i then proceed to look for stuff that isn't there, start accusing them of not being interested blah blah blah and questioning them - i make a whole little world of deceit and corruption in my mind and actually play it out!

don't get me wrong - it isn't too hectic just little digs here and there on the surface - but in my mind it is going off at 100 miles and hour lol

then the poor guy has no idea what has happened cos he thought everything was cool.

The problem is that I want the fun to continue and when they decide that all is well with their world and they are happy with me - they get cosy .......... but i want the ride to go on and on and on!!!!!!

I seem to test men forever - poor guys are just happy with me and I can't accept it!

Tis like they are chillin' on a lilo in the pool thinking all is right with the world and they are in love - then I come along with my scorpio submarine and blow them outta the water.

posted April 02, 2007 05:40 PM              

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Should I try to be the better person and give said person a break and forgive? But what if I forgive them and they are really just trying to be my friend again so they can screw me over?

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It depends on how serious and important this was.
But remember this: Once a snake always a snake, they don't change; they just make you think they will!

posted April 07, 2007 03:29 AM              

An eagle? I don't think I am there yet but an eagle surely can't let people walk all over them forgiving all and being taken advantage of to only have t happen again (see I'm a scorpion right now) You sting me I will sting you right back no matter how much me stinging you hurts me- it'll protect me in the long run.

I am honest and I expect the same. People do mess up but I can't be letting everyone run around thinking they can hurt me and I'll just be all buddy buddy with them. Haha I am the wrong scorpio to be replying to this I am sure. But all of us Scorps do have gut feelings and I have forgiven some (few and far between) the gut feeling is always right go with it. You know what it is. And it is always right don't let the scorp pride and hurt stay in the way if you know it's time to forgive.

posted April 07, 2007 06:13 AM              

Another trait which i must ask uf you allhave too is social/family falsities.

Prime example - my mother's family went to my grandfathers house for easter lunch. Thay all hate each other, my uncle has done some appalling things to my grandfather, my aunt and uncle have stolen things from him, my grandfather is in legal battle with my uncle - my mother hasn't spoken to my uncle for 7 years. My aunt and mother don't speak . YET THEY ALL GET TOGETHER AND HAVE LUNCH !!!!!!!!! My point is (and i am not sure if this is a scorpio trait) - i refused to go to the lunch because I cannot bear putting up with people who lie, cheat, backstab each other and then sit down and have lunch like nothing has happened. Then after they leave the go bad to treating each other in the same bad way !!!!

I am the same socially as well - i will not spend time with people who are like this even if they have been 'friends' for 10 years. And people call me hard and unforgiving & the they have a go at me - i also tend to see the way they behave as weak and lose all respect for them!!!!!

Is this a scorp thing? why do other signs put up with it and we don't?

posted April 08, 2007 07:56 AM              

Anyway, said friend is a Taurus...yeah.

Scorpluv, that is it exactly!! Why be a hypocrite and be around people you know are just going to go back and talk behind your back because they talk behind other people's back to you. Know what I am saying?

On one hand, as a Scorp everyone is always telling me their deepest darkest secrets...I love that because it reminds me that people are just human and no one is perfect. We all have our junk that we hang on to. For some reason I am the bearer of people's junk...they tell me everything. Anyone else?

On the other hand, knowing all this junk makes me realize that people can be really mean to eachother. I'd rather have no friends that be friends with someone who I invest alot of time, kindness, loyalty, etc in and then they turn around and act the fool to me. Because eventually it will happen. Except with those people who have always been seen to be good, honorable people. In their actions as well as words.

Thos are the people who will get my life long friendship and who I would go to the ends of the world to help and support. But first it takes a bit of "testing" as one of our fellow scorps pointed out.

Maybe we think too much? LOL!!!

posted April 08, 2007 10:51 AM              

I'm a Gemini but I have 3 planets in Taurus, (uranus in scorpio) when someone wrongs me, I certainly do not forget it (I have a very long memory) - but I cut them out of my life. I'd rather do other things than get revenge, like make love, have fun and things like that. To me the energy expended on revenge is not efficient or worth the effort. I would also feel too horrible about hurting someone else to get revenge, even if they did hurt me (pisces moon). I think personal success is the best revenge one can get anyway.

Why do Scorpios focus on revenge and what other people may/may not do? Why don't they focus that energy on themselves (instead of someone else) and transform their own emotions so they won't be vulnerable again or be so worried about what someone else is doing? Do they actually get pleasure out of it? How do they justify it? I've yet to know a compassionate Scorpio, though they are fiercely loyal. I think the emotional process they go through when they are not in control is exhausting, I've been in similar situations but I remove it from myself because I don't want to be controlled by the worry.

I hope you don't take offense to my questions, I'm genuinely trying to understand you guys. (I also realize not ever Scorpio is like this, I'm asking this based on those I know) With 3 planets in taurus, I have learned to be very self-sufficient, and a lot of the times I see the emotional state of Scorpio tied to fear of what someone else is or isn't doing or in not having control of a situation, and just think they would have a lot more joy if they focused all that emotional energy on healing themselves instead of focusing on what someone else would do to them or trying to manipulate others. When you try to get control over others, they actually have control over you because you're not coming from a place of personal power. (I have pluto retrograde in my chart, so I have learned the best use of plutonic energy was in transforming myself instead of others.)

posted April 08, 2007 02:19 PM              

Hmm, I'll try to tackle this one..feel free to add anyone. :-)

For me, the revenge is not for myself it is mainly to help the other person out because they are doing something that hurts people. I'll give you an example of the last time I actually took revenge which was about 3 years ago--most of the time I can't be bothered even though I can think of some really good types of revenge but decide the revenge--for me--would only be to hurt that person and not teach them a lesson.

Anyway, so here it goes:

This person--a Taurus, I might add (I know alot of tauri)--was constantly manipulating love interests. They always had about 3 on the go. And they frequently used their love interests to make the other ones jealous. For instance, they would go out with someone and get close to them. Then they would back off and call an old flame and leave the other one left in the dark. Then they would go back with that person, but flirt with another person, etc. It was none of my business, but I thought it was dreadful behavior.

This went on for years--it was a pattern. The flames were always totally in the dark about there being anyone else, but they couldn't understand why this Bull wouldn't commit. Then one time, I went out with a bunch of friends and this poor person was here with the Bull thinking they were the only one, while I knew full well that the Bull had at least two on the side so I gave the Bull's secret away--right in front of them!!! You should have seen my Bull friend's eyes bug out of their head!!

This revelation actually began an unravelling of several of their relationships--including one they actually really liked. In the end--however--my Bull friend was forced to see the way they were conducting their relationships and they eventually realized they were afraid of comittment. They then began to make changes--which was better for them in the long run.

See how that works? You might not call that revenge, but it was--I sought revenge for the people my friend had hurt. It would work similarly for me if someone hurt me...I didn't get pleasure out of it, but it has been nice seeing my friend make good, healthy changes. And we are still friends, eventhough they didn;t talk to me for months after that.

Hope that makes sense.

posted April 08, 2007 03:06 PM              

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It depends on how serious and important this was.
But remember this: Once a snake always a snake, they don't change; they just make you think they will!

The truth is you will never trust them again and that's for sure

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posted April 08, 2007 06:00 PM            

I think I could've handled the situation better, but I couldn't sustain a false friendship with her, just to assauge the tention. My gut told me I couldn't trust her with intimate details of my life, so it had to end.
Keep your chin up and trust your instincts.

posted April 09, 2007 12:09 AM              

I don't do the revenge thing often unless they need it. I know you're thinking "who the hell said you can decide" well it's just how it goes.

Here is my thought process say someone hurts me or does something to hurt someone else. I can't help but feel their pain. And, it angers me when they not only do it once or twice but keep on. People can be so sensitive and I pick up on EVERYONES feelings. So, it's not just mine I have floating around in me it's everything and everyone around me. And people really like to share their problems and pains with me.

So, from all that I see a lot of hurt. Whether it be a friend who was hurt, a stranger or someone I love more than life- it hurts me. I don't actually sit and think oh what a terrible person..I feel personally hurt by them.

I feel pain for the person that hurts I feel the embarassment or the tears corny as it sounds. I can't help but be ****** for lack of a better word.

It's not something I choose to do. It's like the words are there and they come out when they need to be let out. And, yes it usually does hurt the people but they ask for it not only by being rude or whatever but when they speak to me and ask a question I am sure to be honest. And if I do decide I will tell someone something like one of the previous posters saying the truth in front of the whole party I let the person know I am saying something before I blurt it out.

It's not something I see as mean- honestly. I see it as trying to help them better themselves. Not that I am any better- not at all. I cause myself pain as well not physically or anything. But, I can't ever let go of things I've done. So, I carry around my baggage and remind myself how horrible it was to do this or that and how I felt. And I just want to save someone else from it.

Yes, it may hurt the person in one form or another. You could call it revenge though I don't plan that too often- maybe 3 times in my whole life have I done that.

It's just a lesson and yes, it hurts them but to me like that corny saying "no pain no gain" I think of it as everyone needs some pain. Without pain and hurt you'd have no reason to change and you'd never see the good. The intentions are good though the way the story actually plays out may not seem that way but in the long run I hope they learned something and if not- I feel better for maybe just helping one person not treat others in such a horrible manner.

Contradicting? Maybe. But in my mind this is how I see it- and I can't change it cause I don't see it as bad. Nor, do I see it as wasted energy (though I understand how you can) to me it's helping out with a lesson no matter how much it hurts them or me or anyone else.

The simple truth is you learn from pain, it's why people change it's why people don't touch hot stoves. And, I am more than willing to show someone if you burn someone I will do my hardest to make you see it and hopefully change it. If not, atleast I know I tried.

posted April 09, 2007 06:13 AM              

Basically, from what i can see above other signs tend to lean on scorps for strength, advice, energy etc.... we are a strong sign in the loyalty and 'lean on me' department. We are good listeners and very very good at keeping secrets. We have a lot of pressure on us to help everyone and to put up with not getting a lot in return (which is often the case). So for me people come to me for a type of protection. If I see that something is happening (similar to experiences of ScorpSagSag and Scorpgirl) I will also step in and do something about - 1) because someone i care about has confided in me and i care about them 2) caring and loving for people also means protecting them if you have the ability and strength 3) why should people get away with dong bad things.
Just because scorps have the courage and have conviction about what they believe and will defend anything that they believe is true - why should we be branded as revengeful. If there was no wrong doing in the first place then how could there be revenge? Revenge is a reaction to an action - so basically we are using our positive energy to finish a negative situation which someone else has created and bringing it to a close. So that a positive situation can then be established again.

Too many people stand by and watch other people fall and do nothing.......... well I am not one of those and am proud of that!!!