posted April 07, 2007 06:24 AM              

I have had a few capricorn friends now and have thought that they were great people, good thinkers, had vision, loyal etc...

My problem is that they have all (without exception) shown a real ability to lie about their own lives. They don't seem to lie about other people's, just their own - and then believe what they are saying!

I was just wondering if this is a capricorn thing - cos i think they are fab people ?!

They also seem to put people down a lot, not directly but by making themselves sound bigger - is this also a true trait?

I am not meaning to generalise but our social circle has had soooo many caps in it and the same thing has occured each time! Juz trying to understand it!

posted April 07, 2007 07:14 AM              

Other than that, I do recall a former friend's ex, a capricorn (this dude had a whole stellium in Capricorn with all his personal planets), whom she broke up with, because he was a compulsive liar. I actually spoke to the guy..and let's just say that I admit my friend was right about this guy. THere was not so much lying, though, just twisting and stretching the truth to a great deal (Lyyying!!!). And he talked to me for six hours straight about how great he is and what a perfect life he has..and he went on about the biggest bull you can imagine!

posted April 07, 2007 09:10 PM            

I've known a couple of people who lied and then convinced themselves that it was true. They weren't Capricorn in my case..

If I made a thread on any other sign lying, I'd get the exact same posts from other women who were hurt by *those* guys.

posted April 09, 2007 03:00 AM            

quote:

---

THere was not so much lying, though, just twisting and stretching the truth to a great deal (Lyyying!!!).

---

Not so much lying, just what she perceives as twisting and stretching the truth. For all we know the Capricorn simply had a different perspective, which she didn't seek to understand.

quote:

---

And he talked to me for six hours straight about how great he is and what a perfect life he has..and he went on about the biggest bull you can imagine!

---

Did he really? Or was it simply a matter of him relating his life, while Brooding determined for herself that he was making it sound like it was great? Some people love to make snap judgments on people simply because something about the person irks them.

I remember back in like Junior High or something meeting one of my best friend's female friends [whom I very secretly admired]. After talking for a bit she told me that she'd always thought that I was stuck up or a snob or something just by appearances, so she was surprised to find that I was a personable guy. Perception versus reality.

My current girlfriend almost never called me initially due to her impression of me. She saw pictures I posted online on my band MySpace page and combined it with the knowledge that my name on a forum is AcousticGod, and she thought I must be a prick. Now she says I'm a total "pussycat." This is from a Sag. Perception versus reality.

I will grant that we are politically-minded people. You can witness the Capricorns on Big Brother and see for yourself on that. Dr. Will is a Capricorn. So is Janelle. I forget who else. The Capricorns do pretty well on that show.

quote:

---

They also seem to put people down a lot, not directly but by making themselves sound bigger - is this also a true trait?

---

posted April 09, 2007 05:52 AM              

There does seem to be a common thread (so to speak) - that there is an element of 'stretching the truth' and plainly making up stories.

The main problem I have is when you confront them about telling 'porkies' or exagerrating for effect - they get really angry and basically go off on one. We have quite a lot of people in our social circles and work circles of all types of star signs but with the Cappies this seems to be a very common trait. They also compete with one another. Do cappies generally have cappy friends?

I am not sure how to combat it. The only reason i ask is that we all like them but are sick of the nonsense that is spoken and if we say so we just get a mouthful or they disapear and reappear 6months later like nothing has happened with the same stories but worse - this isn't one cappie - there are quite a few! When they return they will say that they were in the bahamas or went on a private jet to Dubai or a retreat in Tibet - nothing simple like had some time out, had a few probs - real weird stuff.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - tough one!

posted April 09, 2007 07:25 AM            

I'm private and do not appreciate people who pry into my life. When I was younger I sometimes told fibs that sounded like whatever the person expected to hear, just so they stopped asking questions (mind you I also have Pisces Merc.. so it may not be the Cap influence).. I used to think that saying "sorry it's personal" won't work and will only lead to more questions.. I've changed my mind since then. Now I do say "sorry none of your business" and if they keep up with the prying behaviour I would probably also "disappear".. not actually leave lol.. but I’d no longer feel like keeping in touch with the person.

No meanness intended.. but different things make different people feel comfortable/uncomfortable.. I can't keep up pretences with a friend that I don't see as a friend because we don't click personality wise. Nosy behaviour makes me feel as though I can't truly trust the person and therefore I can't be myself around them genuinely.. so what sort of friendship would that be?

So far I’ve identified two types of people who pry - the ones who do it to have gossip material so they go behind your back and talk about it left, right and centre.. and the ones who get judgmental and love giving unwanted opinions about someone else’s personal life (even though no one asked them).

posted April 09, 2007 07:32 AM            

quote:

---

When they return they will say that they were in the bahamas or went on a private jet to Dubai or a retreat in Tibet - nothing simple like had some time out, had a few probs - real weird stuff.

---

I've had a friend ages ago who used to make up the most insane stories. I won't mention her sign, but she was fire and we're meant to be honest lol.. It was *exactly* like this though.. elaborate stories , completely unrealistic and untrue. She also believed them and got angry when someone confronted her. The only thing she had in Cap is generational Neptune.. but it was closely opposite her Moon.

:edit: to add.. She always and I mean always, said these things unasked.. Just said them, completely on her own.. out of the blue.

So, when it comes to the trip thing.. if the Cap person disappeared for months and they got asked the question "where were you".. lets say the reality was.. the Cap person just didn't feel like socialising with you guys.. Most people are not honest enough to say "I just didn't feel like seeing any of you for the past 6 months." That would lead to "But why?".. which would lead to "Because you tire me and I just didn't feel like socializing or seeing you".. "So you have a problem with us?" - "Nope.. just didn't feel like seeing you"..
Do you see why if that was the truth, it wouldn't go down so well? lol

posted April 10, 2007 07:48 PM              

I've lied on occassion. Never to tell bogus stories and such. But to get outta something, or sometimes just to get someone to hush up - esp when it gets quite personal. Like Coral's example of wanting to know where the person has been .. i wouldnt say some bogus trip just lie and say i've been really busy etc ... but nothing so over the top as to make me look all high and mighty over them ...

I do know a couple Gemini's that are quite the story tellers. Both are less than 1day apart too ...

But again, like others have repeated, and i will again too, its not just the sun sign. I think other placements have to be taken into consideration as well.

Other than that ... lying can be learned and taught, regardless of your sun sign or age.

posted April 10, 2007 09:43 PM              

Sometimes people feel inferior to others and make up crap to help themselves feel better inside. I would think it has more to do with the kind of environment the person is raised in rather than their sun sign. Must also take into consideration the rest of the chart as well I think.

Everyone has the ability to lie, regardless of what sign they are.

posted April 10, 2007 11:46 PM            

Seriously, something I always admired about my sister was her honesty. She tells it like it is, doens't try to present herself as anything other than herself, and faces reality head on.

posted April 11, 2007 04:22 AM              

And based on your snappy criticism (just because this irks you!) you're not considering any validity to my remark. Sure, it may be biased based on my personal account, but there has to be some truth to it, regardless (and this site provides ample privacy for anonymity). ACtually, the guy admitted it himself that he tends to exaggerate things a great deal which was a major proponent in his friends' decision to break off contact with him and partly why my friend broke up with him. I'm saying partly here because I'm not my friend or his friends to personally know the entire reason or story behind their dissociation. And he did make it sound like his life was the best and it wasn't simply a positive attitude. It was a contrived, saccharine downer for his friends (and I have spoken about him with them before). And really, I was not even going so far to say he is narcicisstic or egotistical or anything like that... his insane stories aside, he was actually pretty nice.

But that's just it, this one guy (and see, I'm not even saying all the capricorns I know do this - just this one guy I know) would talk about these crazy things that did not seem so likely. And he did speak for six hours straight about how great he is (I barely had a chance to say anything) - wait actually around seven hours because he called me around 11:30 at night and confabulated till about a quarter to seven in the morning, and even then I had to tell him to wrap up the monologue because I was running late for school and he was already late for work!

Not everything has to be about you, or how much of a jerk you appeared to someone on myspace who did not even know you. Everyone is right, here: lying appears everywhere regardless of sign (and in my three examples it was the guy who acted this way, so I was not even mentioning multiple examples of lying cappies). I personally would not want to be dismissed as just another drone based on my sun sign because my behavior is not sun-sign typical or not all the people who share my placements, race, etc. are identical to me. This was a fault you found with my subjective lens based on your own highly accute and sensitive acoustic prick lens.

posted April 11, 2007 05:44 AM            

Come to think of it, and this goes back to the point that all signs will lie about something generally given the right circumstance, it's my (albeit limited) exprience with male and femme cappys that, if they are inclined to dishonesty at all, it will be to maintain whatever view they have of themselves. Ie, these lies often involve them lying to themselves as much as anyone else - as opposed to Pisces for example who, if they were inclined to lie, would do so to avoid conflict, or a Scorpio who might lie to keep something secret about themselves.

So I'd have to say that the biggest issue I see is that the ones who do lie, lie to themselves more than anyone else, often to their detriment. But I suppose that could be said of many signs.

When I really give it some thought, while the cappys who were that way tend to stick in my mind more (and thus I'd love to rip on Cappys in this respect), the reality is that it's probably more like 50/50 with the ones I know - the ones that do lie, they do it the same way about the same types of things, the ones that don't lie consider not lying a matter of honor. So I guess for me it's inconclusive. LOL

posted April 11, 2007 11:02 AM            

Like most of the Caps here, I simply don't enjoy being lumped with a group of liars as that is not my personal M.O. in any way. I am on the quiet side, and pretty conservative to most people. Some people have suspected over the years that I'm shy. It's not really shyness, though. I don't have trouble talking. I just don't feel the need to always be doing it. I would never last 7 hours talking about myself. I just couldn't.

posted April 11, 2007 03:08 PM              

What I really don't understand is what is the deal with how Caps make friends. Both of these women came on very friendly and we chatted, they invited me into their "myspace" friend circle. Both felt open enough with me to let me in on some very personal stuff and then Wham! they eased off and I mean a lot. It's almost like they became embarrassed for admitting they had the just normal everyday trials of life. Is this a Cap trait? Is this the famous Cap tests i hear so much of?

If anyone would explain this 'phenomenon' :-P to me I would appreciate it. It takes alot for me to be offended but I somethimes feel like I am intruding now when I just say "Hi, how are you?" It's doing my head in...