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CoralFrequency
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posted May 16, 2007 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If anyone is interested in Mars/Neptune aspects in a man or woman and what they see the world as - or their approach to spirituality, watch: "The Fountain"

If anyone is interested in Mars/Pluto aspects and what they see the world as - or their approach to spirituality, watch: "Sin City"

Darren Aronofsky, the director of the Fountain has a Mars/Neptune conjunction. The writer/director of Sin City, Frank Miller - has an exact Mars/Pluto trine.
I guessed both of these right and thought I'd post it, if anyone's interested!

And since it's the name of my thread.. out of curiosity, how do you Mars/Neptune people perceive Mars/Pluto people and vice versa?

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posted May 16, 2007 09:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do actually want to watch both movies, but I never got to do it

Well, I got both aspects: mars trine neptune, and mars sextile pluto. I guess it makes sense why I would be attracted to both movies, eh? How do I view myself?

Mars/pluto- very intense probing, expecting myself and others to be direct with each other, and there is the tendency to be satisfied w/ a daydream w/o doing anything about it. Of course, healthy outlook on sex.

Mars/neptune- being nice and hypnotic is our way of controlling ppl, or at least getting our way with people. Creative but not really good at planning. Passive as well. There can be great products of the imagination, but with every intense activity, there needs to be a period of solitude to catch more flying dreams.

Enjoy...

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posted May 16, 2007 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I'm going to have to see these movies..
I have an exact conjunction Mars/Neptune in Scorpio and an exact sextile between Mars/Pluto..

So.. lets see..
Mars in Scorpio sextile Pluto in Virgo (8)
I'm rather courageous... very determined when i set my mind to something or someone..
Very sexual and have a tremendous amount of energy...Don't mince words...


Mars/Neptune

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"Mars/neptune- being nice and hypnotic is our way of controlling ppl, or at least getting our way with people. Creative but not really good at planning. Passive as well. There can be great products of the imagination, but with every intense activity, there needs to be a period of solitude to catch more flying dreams."
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couldn't have said that any better myself !

Again, my curiosity is piqued! I don't often get to watch movies that aren't G rated... and if it doesn't come on Nick. Disney, CTN....chances are I haven't seen it!
Now ask me about SpongeBob or Ben 10 and i could help you out!!

I will make the effort to see them both.

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posted May 16, 2007 03:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stargazer, that's so funny- I got ur signs for mars/pluto reversed

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posted May 16, 2007 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars square Pluto, and view Mars/Neptune people or characters as being in subtle and unusual control of circumstances and in some cases people, their charm is powerful but used for their own better good with little regard for others thoughts. There is alot of potential with this aspect, but most of the time it's used the wrong way.

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posted May 16, 2007 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If anyone is interested in Mars/Neptune aspects in a man or woman and what they see the world as - or their approach to spirituality, watch: "The Fountain"

I am not a mars/neptune person but I am a moon/neptune person (along with having a moon/pluto sextile) and would be interested in watching this movie. I have friends who have seen it and they told me it was good..
My boyfriend is a mars/neptune person along with being a moon/neptune person (moon is in pisces too).....I know what you guys mean about the "charm". My goodness.

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posted May 16, 2007 11:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oook, I have to say it- Mars/Neptune are cheaters. I wish someone give me one example of a Mars/Neptune person who hasn't cheated on a regular basis. Not nessesary a sex related cheat even thou most of them are that too. Usually the house ruled by Mars shows where and how that person cheats.

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posted May 17, 2007 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't seen The Fountain, but I've seen Sin City.

I have a 9 degree conjunction between Mars and Neptune in separate signs and houses. My Mars in Scorp is sextile my Moon, which is conjunct Pluto (Pluto sextiles Neptune). I guess I miss that one by a little bit, though the circuit of energy is there between all four planets.

I wouldn't tend to think that Sin City represents any of my personality other than artistry.

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posted May 17, 2007 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol Jazzbell

*puts her hand up* Haven't cheated..

I have both aspects as well. My Mars is conjunct Neptune in Capricorn and sextile Pluto. I don't identify with Sin City, but I know a guy with a Mars/Pluto opp who I could see acting in that movie.. in pretty much any of the parts - ok maybe not Jessica Alba's part lol

I loved the Fountain and there's a part of me that goes that is SO my kind of love.. but my Neptune is trine Venus as well, so I'm pretty much delusional.

I just found it interesting that watching Sin City, I actually thought - the man who made this MUST have a Mars/Pluto aspect, and he does! I would've guessed it to be the conjunction or the opposition though.. It was the trine instead, but it's a very close trine at 0 degrees.. on the karmic 29th degree - so I'm guessing it's pretty important anyway.

Later, watching The Fountain I thought he might have the Mars/Neptune conjunction - I checked his chart and he did - in Scorpio..

He's not the first person I recognized with Mars/Neptune.. I also guessed it in Masi Oka - from Heroes. It was a bit different though, because I didn't know or see the directors of either movie before I looked them up.. whereas when you usually guess someone's chart it's after you've seen them.. Art definitely conveys personality.

Thank you for the replies! I do usually get along with Mars/Pluto people and I like Mars/Neptune people, from the word go.. What I feel with Mars/Pluto is that – we're both heading in the same direction and we both want a strong spiritual experience – but we have entirely different ideas about how to get there. I realized that I attract Mars/Pluto guys. I've known four, and I'm still in contact with three of them.

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posted May 17, 2007 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I wish someone give me one example of a Mars/Neptune person who hasn't cheated on a regular basis.

Of course not. If anything, from my obvervations, they usually are the ones who end up with cheaters unfortunately (particularly the girls with this aspect).

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posted May 17, 2007 07:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars Opposition Pluto and Mars Trine Neptune and I am not going to watch these movies

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posted May 17, 2007 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Dulce Luna. I have a mars/neptune conjunction in saggit in my 6th house. I'm anything but a cheat - neither in relationships nor with my colleagues at work. All of that capricorn and virgo energy in my chart keeps a firm check on me. On the contrary, I would say I'm too critical about my own actions most of the time.

However - although I wouldnt say I end up with cheats on a regular basis, I DEFINITELY tend to idealize the person I'm attracted to. At least initially. Then it turns out that most of the time they promise more than they can deliver.Not really in a bad way, but just in a big talk, no action kinda way, mostly the idealist/dreamer type.

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posted May 17, 2007 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dulce, I don't usually end up with cheaters either, so I guess I've been lucky so far.

lol thanks for the info Jan I actually posted this for people who don't have it in their chart - if they want to know more about it.

Anna, I idealize initially also.

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Dulce Luna
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posted May 17, 2007 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry guys, I said that because I know two girlfriends with this aspect who seem to repeat getting with bad people. Maybe idealizing the partner would be more moderately correct for Mars/Neptune people as a whole?

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posted May 17, 2007 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mars446... That just makes me feel old.. lol! j/k what are your house placements?

Dulce.. that about sums it up.. I wind up with the cheaters... Not always.. but if i dare not listen to that knawing in my gut that screams PLAYER ALERT! I'll be in for a world of hurt.. Actually talking myself out of what could be clearly in front of my face..
I have a square with Jupiter in Leo 7th with this conjunction.. so i have to be careful not to ge deceived by the wolf in sheeps clothing or worse yet deceive myself in some way...

I've read Liz Greene's book on Neptune about a 100 times...
Mars/Neptune as a whole do not like each other..
Those with Mars/Neptune aspects have what she calls "the power of participation mystique and the enourmous appeal of the word "we". Mars Neptune can enter one's dreams and longings, expressing "I want" with such delicacy that it seems everybody wants it. It can be a wonderful gift. Mars/Neptune, like /Dionysus, is a seducer; but sometimes, as a collective, we need to be seduced."

Just to add:
Napoleon had Mars/ Neptune conjunct in Virgo
Lord Horatio Nelson had them square Scorp/Leo
The Emperor Augustus, who was one of the greatest political manipulators in history had them sextile Taurus/ Cancer.
These men achieved power not through the imposition of brute force, but because the were loved and idealised.

A well-lit channel needs to be found and the integrity of goals and how they are pursued...are very very important...
The difference can be black or white.. as in magic.

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posted May 17, 2007 06:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stargazer,

No you're not old, you are wise...and it is always good to learn from the wise. 6th mars and 7th pluto.

Others:

How about these couple of interps? It'll be long, but I'm sure you'll enjoy 'em.

Mars trine neptune:

You have marked personal magnetism. Opportunities open up to you readily. You have a somewhat mystical, spiritual, or religious nature - a degree of superstition, and a belief in your internal powers. This frequently accompanies belief in Christian Science, Unity, or cults that deal in mental power. It isn't a very important aspect in itself but it lends color to your personality and sharpens your aesthetic and artistic senses. You control people by charming them. A mildly hypnotic power of which you may not be conscious assists all human relationships. You rely a good deal on hunches, especially about people. If this aspect is accompanied by strong and reasonable mental tendencies you may not even be conscious of its action, but rest assured it is responsible for the quickness of your insight and general mental astuteness. It eases the course of emotional matters somewhat; it is a passive rather than an active ally to accomplishment in all fields.

Haydn Paul:

The energies of the trine should enable you to become a practical idealist, where the spheres of personal relationships and social obligations are highlighted in your experience. Mars will provide you with a powerhouse of energy to use, and Neptune will indicate suitable directions for expression.

This will be through a heart sensitivity to the problems of others, either individually or on a more impersonal, collective scale, and you will feel motivated to share in aspects of social responsibility. Fortunately. most of your personal aims can be achieved within such a framework, and so you may be attracted towards socially orientated work, especially in the fields of welfare, medicine, community aid and physical therapy. In such ways, you feel able to share your energy by supporting others who may be struggling in life, perhaps through ill-health, disadvanged social conditions, or family problems. There is a natural sympathy, and your compassionate approach will often lead to many sharing their problems with you. It may be that at times you will need to cleanse yourself of 'accumulated suffering' absorbed from such work, and forms of negativity-releasing meditations or psychic proteetion are advised; otherwise, you may experience your level of vitality dropping under the burdens that you choose to take.

Even if you do not adopt the Neptunian way as a profession, your closer social friends will recognise this quality of support within you, and will often turn to you for a helping hand and a listening heart, coming away feeling less burdened, more inspired and sharing in your confident energy that all will be right (or that they can at least cope successfully). This is an aspect of a healing energy that you can transmit, and which is often connected to an acute inner sensitivity to the environment and people's emotions. This empathy is a key to your potential effectiveness in relationships, an intuitive knowing of how to respond and what type of support can be offered. Some may consciously gravitate towards areas of spiritual / occult healing techniques, and this could be an effective channel to explore.

Your intimate love life should be reasonably satisfying, often with a strong emphasis on physical and heart energies, possibly with some intense and passionate romances. Once you settle with a stable partner, you will appreciate those deep emotional bonds, those subtle empathies and feelings of real relationship that can be established through mutual love. Generally, your partnerships are honest and direct: friendship and goodwill for each other are strong, and genuine feelings for people with whom you have shared intimacies can still persist even after a relationship has ceased. Some relationships end in perpetual bitterness and mutual conflict; but whilst recognising that love can fade, you prefer to separate on good terms. People can benefit through contact with you, and finding a suitable partner can offer you an opportunity for considerable mutual inner growth and enjoyment.

There can be an attraction towards more dramatic expressions of the energies of these two planets, perhaps one where flamboyance is possible, such as the theatre, acting, dance, or where physical culture is emphasised. In some, the Martian energy to act is focused through spheres of Neptunian creativity, design, art, literature, film, photography. The trine often appears in charts of creative people, as the energy helps the process of anchoring the idea, vision or intention. You should find that you can achieve your goals, making the most out of the potential and opportunities that are presented to you; allowing scope to your imagination and then acting on it is the key to success.


Robert Pelletier:

The trine between Mars and Neptune shows that you have successfully integrated your aggressive and desirous nature with your social responsibilities. You can satisfy personal goals and objectives without sacrificing your impersonal obligations. Because you understand your deepest biological urges, you are able to control them, realizing there is a time and a season for everything. You are sympathetic with those aho are less fortunate in managing their impulses, and readily 'lend an ear' when others want to unburden themselves or discuss their problems. Your inner perception is highly developed to detect sincerity or dishonesty in people.

Your inspiration and driving ambition to serve others are particularly suited to welfare programs, medicine, law, or physical therapy. Your healing abilities would astonish even a professional practitioner, who may not realize that your success results from helping people cope with spiritual as well as physical problems. You would bring special insight to psychology, group encounter therapy, and other rehabilitative techniques.

If you are motivated to seek personal acclaim, you could pursue a theatrical career as an actor, dancer, or stage designer. You have a flair for effective delivery, and your sensitivity brings out a warm, emotional response in others.

Your romantic life is uncomplicated but still very exciting. Because of your poise and personal dignity, you enjoy warm and tender relationships with the opposite sex. You maintain honest and sincere ties with those you love, and willingly sever ties with those whose interest in you seems to be waning. Their love may fade, but they will never fail to respect you completely for all your good qualities. You hold others simply by your magnetism, charm and sociability, and you know how to bring enthusiasm and joy into the life of the one you love.


Karen Hamaker-Zondag:

In the harmonious aspects between Mars and Neptune, we are often very attractive to the opposite sex: the radiation of our sexuality (Mars) is refined, and veiled under a friendly Neptunian manner, so that we seem gentle and strong at one and the same time. What people usually fail to see is that this approach is a way of winning them over without difficult confrontations. Although self-assertiveness is not strong in any of the Mars / Neptune aspects, things do tend to go our way with the harmonious ones.

Self-confident behavior is not a marked feature of any Mars-Neptune aspect, yet amiability wins a lot of co-operation from others, who also applaud our readiness to devote ourselves to some ideal. It is quite natural for use to share in some charitable or humanitarian cause such as relief work.

We are not particularly good at planning activities, because Mars is a law unto itself and Neptune is like shifting sand. In the easy aspects, the borderline between outer activities and inner activities such as (day)dreaming, fantasizing and the like is not clear-cut, and sometimes behavior is very passive. But, even so, passivity is an appearance only: inside, everything is in full spate, and the torrent of thought throws out ideas that may later find expression in deeds - though it would be unwise to assume that the ideas produced under Mars / Neptune aspects are always practical ones.

Although, in many of its aspects, Neptune is liable to drain energy even when those aspects are harmonious, the selfsame planet is (inexplicably) capable of giving us a powerful stimulus from some deep source and of enabling us to do outstandingly good work. However, the source dries up when we stop dreaming, since the harmonious Mars / Neptune aspects are at their best only when periods of intense activity alternate with periods when we take time off to stand and stare and catch the threads of vanishing dreams.


Betty Lundsted:

Like the Mars-Uranus trine, this energy is extremely creative. The individual is gifted or blessed with a creative ability that can be put into action with ease. The inspiration and imagination of Neptune combine with the action principle.

Because a trine is a gift, we sometimes don't appreciate it. We are often more tuned into our difficult aspects because they cause us pain. When we become aware of the trine, it can be used to great advantage in career situations; the action taken is creative.


Charles Carter:

These contacts appear to indicate a clean-minded, honest, straight-dealing character, with decided leanings towards practical helpfulness. The native is charitable and sees the best in people so far as he is able, but there is also a power to detect insincerity and duplicity. Even with the good aspects, the native is likely to have to exert this faculty.

They favour abstemiousness in drink and self-control generally; often there is great care for personal cleanliness. The emotions and passions are powerful, but controlled and well-directed.

They may bring benefits through the sea and maritime things in general, such as cables, marine stores and instruments, submarine telegraphy, and other shipping matters.

There is frequently a liking for the arts or one of them, but this is much more pronounced with the inharmonious contacts, the harmonious inclining rather to practical affairs.

The health may receive benefit from residence by the sea.

Mars sextile pluto:

(Haydn Paul) You will expect honesty and straightforwardness in your dealings with people, preferring to hear the truth rather than be confused by evasion, innuendo and psychological manipulation. In fact truthfulness is one of your most highly valued qualities. You have a sensitivity to the motives of others; and whilst you have no real illusions about the nature of the human race, you tend to give a high regard to the principle of truth, whilst maintaining a wary eye on your fellow men. You cannot always live up to your own ideal, but at least you try!

You have a mind which tends to be analytical and deductive. Added to this, you are articulate and generally persuasive - if only in the force with which you express your opinions, arguments and beliefs - and have a grasp of dramatic presentation which you apply in order to influence listeners in your favour, personally and to support your position.

Your level of phsyical vitality should be high; and you may be attracted towards exploring your body or developing it in terms of physical activity and culture. You should have a more healthy and positive approach to sexual expression than those who have the Mars-Pluto square or opposition; and you perceive sex in essentially natural terms without inner compulsions complicating and distorting the energy release.

Usually, others know where you stand ojn things, as you are not shy of revealing your viewpoints, and express them clearly and directly; and you expect the same of others. If people tend to express themselves in less direct ways, and if you later discover them to have been telling lies, then you can be quite unforgiving in your attitude to them; even if you store the knowledge away for reference, they have forfeited your trust.

You may need to become a little more self-righteous. Because of your directness, forcefulness and relative clarity of expression, you may begin to believe that your perception is invariably right, and begin to pay more attention to your own pronouncements than to the view of others. The viewpoint of others is as valid as your own, and is usually worth listening to, as different perceptions can help to expand your own understanding, to correct misapprehensions, and to enhance contact and dialogue. There can be many routes to the top of the mountain; and even from the peak there can be many ways to reflect the view back down into the valley.

There may be a tendency to think and talk about things in your life without actually doing them, almost as though this level of involvement were sufficient and satisfying. It is likely that you could manifest your aims in a more distinct and objective way, to ground them more in everyday reality and ebale others to respond to and share them.

Robert Pelletier:

With Mars sextile to Pluto, you are eager to know the truth, motivated by the realization that truth is more powerful than fiction. You are as persistent in your search for the facts as a detective seeking unassailable evidence. Forceful and articulate in conversation, you command the attention of your listeners. You know how to dramatize yourself to establish your position both to large groups and to individuals. You can effectively stimulate action to correct social injustices, and will not tolerate weakness as a defence for inaction by anyone.

Because you are aware of other people's motives, you are rarely caught with your defences down. In your personal contacts, you usually establish your position clearly so that no-one has to guess about your intentions. In return, you expect openness both from associates and from competitors. You deplore subtlety as unnecessary and indefensible.

You have strong physical desires, though you won't accept a merely physical relationship. To be acceptable to you, the relationship must include compatibility in other areas.

It may be necessary for you to yield occasionally to other people's opinions, for they are as valid as yours. You tend to be exlicit in your expectations of others, and may feel no need to make any adjustment in your attitude to compromise with theirs.

It is especially important that you do more than merely talk about your objectives. You must become actively engaged in pursuing them. You often talk as though you were involved in some activity when you have really only talked about it.


Karen Hamaker-Zondag:

We have a great need to prove ourselves and to exercise power. In many instances, we manage to engineer circumstances in which - to a greater or lesser extent - we end up in a position of authority, even if it is only by doing something others cannot do. We have an unbelievable fund of energy, and, even if physical strength is limited, mental power and perseverance enable us to fight our way through.

We are often very self-willed with these aspects, and the fact that they are harmonious does not save us from confrontations. We enter into the latter with head held high, determined not to be done down, and becoming very angry when we are. Our grim determination can achieve a great deal, but can also isolate us somewhat from those around us. Even the easy aspects do not enable us to take things easy.

We can go far if we know how to use our energy constructively; but, by the same token, can go badly astray if we take a wrong turning. Easy aspects are actually the worst aspects when it comes to persisting in the wrong direction until finally being pulled up short by a dead end. But, as already mentioned, resilience is great; so that, in principle, we can overcome all our problems. Pluto is insatiable and will never be satisfied with what Mars can do. We expect a lot from ourselves with these aspects, and may overtax our strength, although the danger is not so great as in the hard aspects.


Betty Lundsted:

Mars represents the action principle used to express the Sun archetype. Pluto indicates the collective unconscious; the unconscious motivation that may underlie our actions later in life. If Pluto represents the masses, then action taken by this individual may be beneficial to the masses. This person was exposed to the idea of co-operation in the early family environment. The sextile indicates an individual who can develop a talent that is marketable as long as the action taken co-ordinates with the needs of groups: so, media, communication, politics, etc., would be a good direction to follow.

Enjoy...sorry don't have other aspects, cuz this was the interp from my report.

You could try this website: http://star2star.info/

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Great thread…

I have a conjunction of Mars and Neptune in Sag/11th house – I’ve never really paid much attention to it except I found this interpretation a while ago and kept it on a post-it note as a reminder to myself.

Mars conjunct Neptune gives the ability to "dream true". If you have this aspect be very careful not to dwell on the negative, you’ll make it happen! This aspect has been associated with white witchcraft as well. It gives a talent for bending energies with the emotions and mind.

I'm not a cheater and have never been in a relationship with a cheater, but I think I have a bull-o-meter that can detect lies and subterfuge from sniffing distance – I don’t suffer fools gladly…but on the other hand I believe what people tell me! Why would someone lie?? Ha-ha I’m a walking contradiction… Its generally someone’s body language that will give them away, rather than their words – for me anyway and once I start to mistrust there is no turning back, I turn detective and stay alert for deception.

I have a particular friend who always plays on the fact that I am totally gullible – in a playful non hurtful way – he tells me that he thinks it’s a great quality to believe people at face value and not be cynical.

I’d love to hear more interpretations of this aspect in this sign and house thought…I’m fascinated now.

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posted May 18, 2007 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting all of those interpretations Mars!

Lionde,

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be very careful not to dwell on the negative, you'll make it happen!

That is too funny, because my mum always says she's scared of my thoughts.. she's like "nooooo.. think positive! think positive!" She's convinced whatever I think always happens lol I don't actually think it does, but she's convinced.. it cracks me up.

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mars446,
Thank you for the interpretations!
CoralFrequency,
Do you know any good Venus-Jupiter love stories or fairy-tales?


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posted May 18, 2007 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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every1 ignore this post..

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posted May 18, 2007 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jan, I don't have Venus/Jupiter in my chart but I've had it in synastry. I'd picture this aspect as a comedy, like "Wedding Crashers" maybe..

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posted May 18, 2007 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"Mars conjunct Neptune gives the ability to "dream true". If you have this aspect be very careful not to dwell on the negative, you’ll make it happen! This aspect has been associated with white witchcraft as well. It gives a talent for bending energies with the emotions and mind."
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I've read that before as well... very true.

My Dad always said to me. "If you think you can... or if you think you can't....you're right"
"Thoughts are Things"
and a host of other little reminders to keep me from becoming negative,, or help me out of it...
Lovely Libra that he is..

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