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Topic: Iqhunk! Arabic Parts Question
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posted May 20, 2007 12:03 PM
 
Dear Iqhunk,
This time I have questions about Arabic parts.
I would be so grateful if you could check out them.Parts of Success conjuncts Vertex in Sagittarius, 5th house.
Parts of Marriage conjuncts Juno/North Node in Gemini, 11th house.
Parts of Fame conjuncts Mercury/Moon in Taurus, 10th house.
Parts of Love/Beauty conjuncts Sirius in Cancer, 12th house.
Parts of Destiny conjuncts Venus in Pisces, 9th house.
Parts of Destiny trines Mars in Scorpio, 5th house and the Ascendant.
Chart Ruler Sun/Eris/Harmonia/Cupido/Amor/Pholus are all in conjunction on the Midheaven. Thanks for the help! I think you are a real genius.  IP: Logged |
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posted May 21, 2007 07:06 AM
Hi Slayer,
The Arabic Parts are in actuality the "Shadow Chart" of a human being. This can also be called the "Secondary Chart" and will uncannily help time the events triggered by transits to the primary natal chart or primary progressed chart (which is paradoxically termed as secondary progression in most websites. "Secondary Chart" is a term known to only 800-1000 astrologers in the world.)In your list, these 3 are important. "Parts of Marriage conjuncts Juno/North Node in Gemini, 11th house."
Simplest explanation is that a happy marriage for you will be with a man who has Gemini very strong in his chart. "Parts of Fame conjuncts Mercury/Moon in Taurus, 10th house."
Fame for you will come when you combine the
best of your intellect with your subconscious/emotional thoughts in the realm of all subjects Taurean. Singing, interior decor, sculpture, stringed instruments (Mercury in Taurus).. take your pick. "Parts of Love/Beauty conjuncts Sirius in Cancer, 12th house."
A hidden love affair with someone very illustrious? A surppresed fantasy to marry a shining public figure? Also, "Chart Ruler Sun/Eris/Harmonia/Cupido/Amor/Pholus are all in conjunction on the Midheaven" indicates that career is a focal point for you. It can be both your love and your transforming wound, it can bring about harmony and yet cause discord. A career filled with paradoxes is at your very core. Quite a challenge to sort this out. You need several introspective sessions on your career path. Where did you click? Where did you fail? Why? What were the transits? Every little detail about your career is of paramount importance.
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posted May 21, 2007 11:40 AM
Hi Iqhunk, quote:
The Arabic Parts are in actuality the "Shadow Chart" of a human being. This can also be called the "Secondary Chart" and will uncannily help time the events triggered by transits to the primary natal chart or primary progressed chart (which is paradoxically termed as secondary progression in most websites. "Secondary Chart" is a term known to only 800-1000 astrologers in the world.)
I calculated my Secondary Chart using noendpress and found out some conjunctions when I compared it to natal chart. I wonder do they have a meaning… Secondary Venus conjuncts Parts of Beauty/Love and natal Sirius
Secondary Mars conjuncts natal Venus in Pisces 9th house
Secondary Mercury/Moon conjuncts natal Parts of Fortune/Valentine in Leo, 2nd house
Secondary Jupiter conjuncts Parts of Fame and natal Mercury/Moon in Taurus, 10th house
Secondary Neptune conjuncts the natal Midheaven Also, Iqhunk, Secondary Ascendant is Scorpio. What’s its significance?
I mean, Should I read it as normal Scorpio Ascendant? IP: Logged |
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posted May 21, 2007 11:41 AM
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"Parts of Marriage conjuncts Juno/North Node in Gemini, 11th house."
Simplest explanation is that a happy marriage for you will be with a man who has Gemini very strong in his chart.
Wow!  Great! I have started to think that I wasn’t meant for marriage. 
Gemini men are awesome. They are very cute, childlike, intelligent and have artistic souls. quote:
"Parts of Fame conjuncts Mercury/Moon in Taurus, 10th house." Fame for you will come when you combine the best of your intellect with your subconscious/emotional thoughts in the realm of all subjects Taurean. Singing, interior decor, sculpture, stringed instruments (Mercury in Taurus).. take your pick.
Singing, dancing, and acting!
I have a singing voice and I love dancing, also interested in acting.
My idealism is to combine these three abilities and be known for that.
I haven’t taken any solid step yet, still waiting for my lucky time to come. quote:
"Parts of Love/Beauty conjuncts Sirius in Cancer, 12th house." A hidden love affair with someone very illustrious? A suppressed fantasy to marry a shining public figure?
I don’t know really. Who knows, maybe!
I wouldn’t want it to be hidden though. quote:
Also, "Chart Ruler Sun/Eris/Harmonia/Cupido/Amor/Pholus are all in conjunction on the Midheaven" indicates that career is a focal point for you. It can be both your love and your transforming wound, it can bring about harmony and yet cause discord. A career filled with paradoxes is at your very core.
If I can make my dreams come true, I will stir things up with good intention, that’s for sure! Iqhunk, you made me so happy with your interpretation. I am really thankful.
I know you have just become a dad and it is so kind of you to answer my questions.
What other asteroids would you want me to consider? So that I can share them with you.
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posted May 21, 2007 02:04 PM
To tell you the truth, even the rediscoverer of the secondary chart, Carl Tobey, did not understand it completely. He found that it always worked as a timer for life's events. My Secondary Ascendant and cusps have always worked very well like timers. My Secondary Sun (the Natal Ascendant) is Aries and life gets in control when I become an Aries than a Cancer.
And when I behave Aries, my exterior demeanour becomes very Capricornian, which is what my Secondary Ascendant is. I am yet to understand it myself. Something tells me the secondary chart is what our soul wants to master to guarantee evolutionary progress because the aspects are the same, just the signs are different.
Sort of like a Masters degree after bachelors? I really dont know. Additional asteroids? Just master Asteroid Karma (3811) and later Asteroid Valentine (447). Do more and more research. The more you analyze your chart and family charts on your own, the more you will discover. Today, I discovered an amazing fact. Asteroid Karma was at 20.5 degrees Capricorn, half a degree away from my secondary asc, on my wedding day in 2006.
When my son was born, I calculated all 3 of our charts together. A composite of myself, wife and baby son. Guess where Asteroid Karma figures in this triple composite ? 20.4 Capricorn. Observe what happened last week. A mysterious hermetic initiate named David appears and then disappears after informing us about Franz Bardon. I found Bardon fascinating. David's ascendant is 13.4 Capricorn. My Asteroid Karma? 13.36 Capricorn. It was my destiny to know. The knowledge of Asteroid Karma is unknown to every great astrologer. Linda Goodman, Dane Rudhyar, Alan Leo, Tobey you name them. They did not have a clue. So allow this asteroid to teach you, your spiritual life will dynamically improve. IP: Logged |
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posted May 21, 2007 04:30 PM
I've been tracking this thread, and I'm a bit confused. I hope asking questions doesn't take away from this thread. So calculating the arabic parts would give u the secondary chart? Or is the progressed chart the secondary chart, b/c I don't quite know how to get the secondary asc and planets... Did you try comparing the fate parts w/ asteroid karma and north node, to see if there is any relation? I found that my fate parts is near my north node, but has no relation w/ asteroid karma- which I think is a bit odd and interesting- unless there are different interps for the asteroid and the part. Thanks and hope is everything is well with the baby IP: Logged |
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posted May 22, 2007 05:33 AM
Hi Mars446,
Progressed Chart is what is called Secondary Progressed Chart by 99.999% of astrologers. Slayer and I are talking of the true Secondary Chart known to just 0.001% astrologers. So they are very different.The main arabic part using day formula is tghe Part of Fortune, and it is the same as your Secondary Moon. Ascendant is Secondary Sun. So logically, where is Secondary Ascendant? Just shift the primary ascendant in the counterclockwise direction by the same degrees as you shifted the Sun upto the Ascendant. It is so simple! You just get your own natal chart except that every sign is shifted by this difference bwteen Ascendant and Sun. Do not confuse asteroids with these Arabic Parts. Asteroids are a subtle effect and will be important if and only if you have mastered your primary chart awareness. Are you aware of your Venus? Your Mercury? Your Mars? Your Moon? Their aspects? Unless you are fully aware of them, do not expect to gain any insight from Asteroid Karma or Valentine. Asteroids come after Mars and between Jupiter. IP: Logged |
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posted May 22, 2007 09:02 AM
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My Secondary Sun (the Natal Ascendant) is Aries and life gets in control when I become an Aries than a Cancer. And when I behave Aries, my exterior demeanor becomes very Capricornian, which is what my Secondary Ascendant is.
I think this is also very true with me. Self confident Leonine demeanor unites with mysterious and deeply powerful Scorpio appearance and life gets in control really. quote:
Additional asteroids? Just master Asteroid Karma (3811) and later Asteroid Valentine (447).
Karma is in Virgo, 2nd house
Karma sextiles Saturn in Scorpio, 4th house
Karma squares Uranus in Sagittarius, 5th house
Karma trines Jupiter in Capricorn, 6th house
Karma oppose Lilith in Pisces, 8th house
Karma quincunx the Sun in Aries, 9th house Valentine is in Leo, 2nd house
Valentine conjuncts exactly fixed star Regulus (Alpha Leo)
Valentine sextiles Pluto in Scorpio, 4th house
Valentine squares both Mars & Chiron (Perfect T-Square)
Valentine trines both Mercury & Neptune (Perfect Grand Trine) Speaking of fixed stars, I also found out that another fixed star Aldebaran (Alpha Taurus) again exactly conjuncts North Node/Juno/Parts of Marriage. Does that now make it even more significant? quote:
Today, I discovered an amazing fact. Asteroid Karma was at 20.5 degrees Capricorn, half a degree away from my secondary asc, on my wedding day in 2006.
When my son was born, I calculated all 3 of our charts together. A composite of myself, wife and baby son. Guess where Asteroid Karma figures in this triple composite ? 20.4 Capricorn.
Wow! I am speechless. I will also do that triple composite and see if I can find anything in common. quote:
Observe what happened last week. A mysterious hermetic initiate named David appears and then disappears after informing us about Franz Bardon. I found Bardon fascinating. David's ascendant is 13.4 Capricorn. My Asteroid Karma? 13.36 Capricorn. It was my destiny to know.
Yeah, I also felt his strong presence, got vibrations I cant really explain.
I wish he stayed more. I still didn’t understand why he left all of a sudden. quote:
So allow this asteroid to teach you, your spiritual life will dynamically improve.
They give a more detailed and in-depth picture of what’s happening beyond major factors
And that really applies to my Scorpio side. Asteroids are fascinating! Iqhunk, I am thinking of buying an astrology book which tells about Transits, Progressions and Solar Return chart interpretation.
There are plenty of books on astrology and I cannot decide which ones are better than the other ones in content. So I wonder if you can make a suggestion. Thank you! You are GREAT quote:
I've been tracking this thread, and I'm a bit confused. I hope asking questions doesn't take away from this thread.
Mars446, please feel free to ask any questions. We are learning!  Now, I should be back to studying. I have an important exam tomorrow. IP: Logged |
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posted May 22, 2007 01:00 PM
Bump! 
My impatient Arian nature took over me! Sorry
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Sun/Aries
Moon/Taurus
Leo Ascedant.
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posted May 22, 2007 02:07 PM
Thanx! At least my sun opposes my asc by 1 degree and 2 minutes.Virgo sun is 20 degree 6 minutes
Pisces asc is 21 degree 8 minutes So if I act like my secondary sun- pisces, then I'll get a virgo demeanor? That is weird. But now, I'm a bit confused about getting the rest of the chart. So the primary sun shift to asc to get 2nd sun is 178 degree and 58 minutes. That's how much I would have to do for all the signs? So pretty much I'm flipping my chart into its mirror image. Damn...feels kinda freaky that you'd have to become the opposite of who you are now. Thanks a lot again, and thanx slayer for letting me ask qs here Btw, so now that the part of fortune takes over the moon's position, what does the moon do now? IP: Logged |
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posted May 22, 2007 02:34 PM
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The Shadow is the personification of that part of human, psychic possibility that we deny in ourselves and project onto others. The goal of personality integration is to integrate the rejected, inferior side of our life into our total experience and to take responsibility for it. -Carl Gustav Jung-
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The Arabic Parts are in actuality the "Shadow Chart" of a human being. -Iqhunk -
So if Secondary chart is the Shadow chart of a human being,
When we succeed to integrate it into our apparent lives (natal chart),
Then we will be complete human beings, and be at peace with our inferior side.
And your theory of ‘Sort of like a Masters degree after bachelors’ perfectly makes sense now if I am not wrong. 
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posted May 23, 2007 04:15 AM
Good points Slayer!
The best book for you would be "The Astrology of Inner Space" by Carl Payne Tobey. And a thorough reading of these links: http://homepages.hawaiian.net/drdon/ IP: Logged |
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posted May 23, 2007 01:48 PM
Thank you IQ  I did that triple composite of me, mom and dad and I found out that composite Karma conjuncts my Secondary Ascendant Scorpio exactly.
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posted May 24, 2007 04:23 PM
Thanx Iq! I guess I answered my own q since u did not reply. Now that I look back at it, I feel like an idiot...lolIP: Logged | |
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