posted May 21, 2007 05:17 PM              

~My Saturn is in the 5th House(Libra) at 3 deg.
~His is in the 3rd house(Virgo) at 28 deg.

~His Saturn trine my Sun
~His Saturn trine my Venus
~His Saturn conj my Jupiter
~His Saturn conj my Saturn
~His Saturn sext my Uranus
~His Saturn sqare my Neptune
~His Saturn sext my Ceres
~His Saturn square my Asc.

~My Saturn conj his Moon
~My Saturn conj his Mercury
~My Saturn sext his Venus
~My Saturn square his Chiron
~My Saturn opp his Phollus
~My Saturn sext his Vertex
~My Saturn conj his IC

Honestly,all these Saturn contacts have me a little worried,especially with both of our Venus's involved.

posted May 21, 2007 08:09 PM              

"At the outset, there can be some resistance or reluctance to forming a relationship and/or a commitment with each other on one of the individuals' parts, as if he or she senses that committing to the other person will involve something heavy. Once that initial reluctance (which can range from vague to explicit, depending on the power of the Saturn interaspects and the individual temperaments involved) passes, there is generally a wonderful feeling of familiarity and safety with one another. These people feel closely connected. Saturn interaspects tend to be very binding.

As time passes, and especially once a commitment is made between each other, the personal planet person will inevitably grow in that area of life or part of the personality represented by the personal planet. [Note that a commitment doesn't necessarily literally mean marriage. It can be as simple as a commitment that the partnership is a one-to-one relationship, or that it is exclusive.] What generally happens is that the security that bound the two together in the first place feels threatened on the part of the Saturn person as the personal planet person changes or grows. Saturn resists change, and feels threatened by it. The Saturn person may exercise some kind of control over the personal planet person - some form of restriction. This can take the form of criticizing the energies expressed by the personal planet person.
Saturn in synastry is intriguing because what begins as a strong sense of security and comfort felt between a couple can eventually degenerate into feelings of pressure to stay the same, and an overall sense that one does not want the other to grow or develop. Saturn generally is the one who wants the bond to be exclusive, and although the personal planet person generally wants the same thing, that personal planet person feels enormous pressure to be a certain way and feels like he or she is not free to express him or herself in a natural and dynamic manner. With repeated experiences in which the personal planet meets a critical or cold response from Saturn as a result of a spontaneous comment or action, the personal planet begins to censor himself or herself, and spontaneity is lost. Distance between the two is created, and a sense of being stifled, restricted, and censored slowly erodes the bond that felt so darn good at the beginning of their relationship. The personal planet person feels like he or she has to constantly monitor what he or she does or says in the presence of the Saturn person.

Let's explore Moon-Saturn interchart aspects as another example. This cross-aspect is a powerful one. Either one (or both) people involved may have made it clear at some early point in the interaction that this relationship was to be a serious or committed one. Whether or not it was verbalized, the air of responsibility is explicit. Although the relationship may begin with some element of enthusiasm, over time, Moon may feel the need to censor feelings of dependency on the relationship and on Saturn himself for some reason or another. Moon may also feel the need to censor self-expression, feeling almost like a child facing a disapproving adult. Moon may sense a certain level of seriousness and even harshness or narrowness in Saturn that may not even exist in absolute terms. Saturn may not even be aware of this unconscious reaction to Moon. Whatever it is, Moon can feel somewhat constrained by the relationship, and unable to express the "child" within, simply because of the expectation that Saturn may not approve, may not be capable of understanding, or may not be equipped to handle these expressions. The sense that Moon gets is that Saturn's needs for commitment are paramount, and that "frivolous" expressions of neediness or dependency wouldn't be appropriate; or that expressions of dependency on anything or anyone else will be met with Saturn's disapproval. It may also be that situational factors are such that true emotional intimacy is blocked, even though both parties want to get closer to each other.

The caution here is to avoid too much "censoring" to the point that Moon feels emotionally isolated, misunderstood, or blocked. Does Saturn truly benefit from this kind of "censoring"? Certainly not in the long run, because if it gets out of hand, Saturn will lose touch with Moon's deepest needs, fears, and desires. Emotional distance doesn't benefit either person. The chemistry in this relationship brings out the individual need for security and safety in both people, and each will certainly find a basic sense of safety with the other. Although Moon in particular may feel emotionally frustrated at times, there is a feeling of constancy and dependability in Saturn that is very attractive. This relationship stands much chance of being a long-lasting one. However, it can have its fair share of ups and downs. Periods of emotional distance and subsequent feelings that the relationship may be too "heavy" to maintain are often followed by tearful and emotional "reunions" when both parties feel that they need each other desperately, and that the attachment runs deeper than is always apparent. It is easy to see, with this kind of pattern, that either or both individuals could feel "trapped" together at times! But the truth of the matter is, given the depth of the attachment to each other, there is much to gain from working on the intimacy issues described above. Saturn needs to face his or her fears and consciously work on not clamping down on Moon, and Moon, instead of reacting defensively to Saturn, must also look to see whether Saturn does have a point, so to speak, and Moon can actually benefit from some of the more reasonable boundaries that Saturn seems to draw.
Karma is associated with Saturn, where the personal planet person feels some sort of personal debt to the Saturn person. The Saturn person seems to have the upper hand in the relationship, at least for a while. Both parties must be more mindful of what exactly they are doing. A balance is possible, as the personal planet person may benefit from Saturn's impositions, at least ones that are not purely based on fear. Maybe the personal planet person does need to learn to be more responsible and could benefit from some maturation, and Saturn can learn to loosen up in certain ways. Reacting defensively to each other will only exacerbate the problem.

Saturn trines and sextiles are generally considered supportive. They do have some of the characteristics described above, but generally there is less defensiveness between the two, and criticism is constructive if it exists. This goes both ways - the Saturn person is less threatened, and the personal planet person less defensive when faced with Saturn's restricting energy. It is certainly easier to learn from each other this way. Nevertheless, even with flowing aspects involving Saturn, the chemistry is such that there is a characteristic reserve or self-consciousness present in the relationship with regards to the expression of feelings, romantic desires, will, intellect, or sexuality, depending on the personal planet involved."

posted May 22, 2007 07:03 AM              

I had to say soething on this cause i really feel identiffied by your post on moon/saturn interaspects!

Im the moon and he´s the saturn.Really is quite it is described and i´ve never understoőd why sometimes i do tend to defensively withdraw from my bf wnenever he is acting under that saturn "thing".
Now i know

Yeah ité very much like that: he calls me to responsible actings and i feel trapped and misunderstood by him cause it seems to me that he doesné see my side of the point and so, i tend to become emocionally "cold" with him,hidding from him my feelings,fears,needs and sorrows. The thing i want most is to show him all of me and being understood but i act the contrary just whenever he tries to "have the upper hand".
It can be uncounsciously from him,but he does that and i rebell against.
Then..i feel even more alone and at the same time,needing desperately his presence.It´s a paradoxe:he´s the one who makes me go deeper into my shell,and the only one who can make me go outside of it.
The truth also is that we do feel very close and serious about the commitment,as Saturn contacts also another planets in sinastry.
But the one i feel most is that moon/saturn.

posted May 22, 2007 09:31 AM            

Whether if it is good or bad depends on their birth charts.. Imagine that person A has bad Saturn aspects in his/her natal chart.. then, for example, if person B's planets forms easy aspects with person A's Saturn, they would also be forming hard aspects with A's planets that are originally in conflict with A's Saturn.. In a non-astrological way of stating this is, if person A has problems with seriousness (having bad Saturn natal aspects), then when B starts to remind him/her of being more serious/responsible, maybe A would run away from this relationship.. But if A is a serious person from the beginning (easy Saturn natal aspects), then he/she might be comfortable with B as he/she feels secure with this person.

posted May 22, 2007 10:56 AM              

I haven't noticed any restraints. We both are very commited to eachother.

posted May 22, 2007 11:00 AM              

Mercury Trine Saturn

Moon Trine Saturn

Mars Conjunction Saturn

Saturn Conjunction Saturn

Saturn Conjunct Pluto

Saturn Sextile North Node

Saturn Sextile Chiron

Saturn Conjunction Juno

Saturn Trine Ascendant

Saturn Sextile Neptune

My Saturn in his 8th house

Hi Saturn in my 3rd house