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Aquavic unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 11:37 AM I want to start a topic with this question. How ease forgiveness come to you? What I mean is Do you think that certain astrological signs forgive more easily than others? I have as you can say a “forgiveness” problem. I am Aqua and I found it very difficult to forgive. Ascendant Scorpio Sun Aquarius Moon Aries Mercury Capricorn Venus Aquarius Mars Aries Jupiter Scorpio Saturn Taurus Uranus Libra Neptune Sagittarius Pluto Virgo True Node Pisces Sun Sextile Moon Sun Conjunction Venus Sun Square Ascendant Moon Square Mercury Moon Sextile Venus Moon Quincunx Ascendant Mercury Sextile Neptune Mercury Trine Pluto Venus Square Neptune Venus Quincunx Pluto Venus Square Ascendant Mars Opposition Uranus Jupiter Opposition Saturn Saturn Quincunx Neptune Neptune Sextile Pluto IP: Logged
xrāräx unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 12:20 PM Hi Aquavic! I'm a Cancer Sun with Aquarius ASC and Taurus Moon. And I find it hard to forgive when I've been really hurt. However I usually end up forgiving with time (lol) but I never really forget. Still working on that though IP: Logged
Dulce Luna Newflake Posts: 7 From: The Asylum, NC Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 25, 2007 12:25 PM I'm a Cancer sun/virgo moon/ Cap Ascendant and I third you guys; when really hurt or betrayed by someone its hard for me to forgive and even harder to forget. Aquavic, maybe it's your fixed sun and ascendant that makes you this way? Becuase I hear that people with a significant number of fixed placements are notorious for holding grudges. IP: Logged
Mama Mia Knowflake Posts: 137 From: Registered: Feb 2010	posted May 25, 2007 12:25 PM Pisces Sun, Aqua Moon/Asc... I forgive, but what I do and have realized this is create distance between me and the person that has hurt me. However I do forgive..If they call I will talk if I see them out I will speak and hug but I know deep inside if I could ever be that cool with them as I were before. And it depends on the level of which they hurt me of that goes along with how close they were to me.. IP: Logged
Aquavic unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 12:27 PM Thank you for ur reply. What's up with Aqua, though? I cannot forget as well. E/t is carved in stone. No matter how much I try, I can not forget and forgive. Very tiring :-( IP: Logged
SagSun unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 12:30 PM Sag Sun/Leo Moon/Pisces Rising I normally don't hold a grudge for long and find it rather easy to forgive. Forgetting, however, is a whole different story. If someone really hurt me, I will forgive them, but I never forget. IP: Logged
Aquavic unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 12:36 PM Dolce Luna, I think u r right. Plus combination of Sun Aqua and Scorpio Asc does not create a "merciful" personality :-)) IP: Logged
Neon Artemis unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 12:41 PM I can forgive easily, if the person is sincere and demonstrates understanding for how I felt, I can often empathize with them. It depends on how deep the wound goes though, sometimes I hold on longer than other times. I do not forget though, and tend to observe to see if this is a pattern of behavior for this person to see if I need to detach myself emotionally from that person, and if I can't, end the association. While I believe in forgiveness I don't think it's "bad" to remember the incident, you have to watch your own boundaries and know what you can deal with and what you can't. I often "forgot" in the past to have it slap me in the face to my detriment and get hurt all over again. Neptune conj sag asc, Gem Sun, Pisces Moon, Merc in Taurus. IP: Logged
Missa Newflake Posts: 17 From: Registered: Dec 2009	posted May 25, 2007 12:53 PM I'm not the most forgiving person, but I don't hold grudges if the person who has hurted me is truly sorry about it and it wasn't anything too big. Otherwise, I might forgive, but not forget - and things won't be the same after that. I guess my Ascendant, Venus and especially Mars in Virgo has a lot to do with this, along with the Scorpio emphasis on my chart. The descriptions of my moon sign (Aries) in this particular area have never really felt right, but then again I have moon in 8th house... IP: Logged
MysticMelody Knowflake Posts: 1066 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 25, 2007 12:54 PM I think the ability to forgive begins in the heart but is possible through building up the "mental muscle" (rewiring your brain), and it takes time. I would guess that signs with more positive energies can embrace it easier, and at the risk of getting flogged with wet noodles for being too general, I am guessing your difficulty might stem from the moon and Mars being in Aries, and your AC being Scorp. The moon and Mars in Aries will give you the impulsive temperament that is quick to anger and the Scorp AC seems to view things darkly and fearfully overall. I know that Scorps can rise to Eagle and Pheonix, but I sense that it is easier achieved by Sun Scorps who are more aware of the Scorpio energy and how it operates in their lives. I have known a female Sag with Pisces moon and Scorp AC, and a male Virgo with Leo moon and Scorp AC, and although both seemed slightly more spiritually in tune than the average person on the street, their Ascendants foiled them every time. They seemed to live in fear of someone getting the best of them and often followed the adage "cut off your nose to spite your face". They exemplified the lowest vibe scorpion by hiding and lurking in fear and then jumping out and stinging to death random people who passed by, simply because they were frightened when the person's shadow passed over their hiding place. Since you are here, and asking this important question, I think you are much more advanced. I think your forgiveness issue might stem from the quickness and strength of your emotions that might immediately imprint an "enemy" stamp (in your mind) on someone who hurts you, which may mean that your forgiveness work is necessary more often than it might be for a more laid back personality. That in itself would make it more difficult. <For Entertainment Purposes Only> I hope something I mentioned takes you on a train of thought that clicks something into place for you. I am a Libra with Air Venus and Mars, so I am of the "laid back" variety. A person has to really try to get me to view them as a possible enemy, so I am not called to forgive very often. Then I will forgive as long as the crimes are not continued, but depending on the severity of the crimes I will remain watchful and wary. The most severe, I will forgive for my own sense of peace... forgiving them because they "know not what they do", as I'm sure you understand, but I will cut them out of my life. IP: Logged
Aquavic unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 01:02 PM Thank you all for ur responses :-) Dear MysticMelody, Well... I agree (to some degree) to ur comments. As a matter of fact, some of ur hypothesises "hit too close to home" and it gave me s/t to think about. Thank you for that In addition, I am not "overly" emotional person, in fact, people accused me as being "cold, aloof and detached". But when I have "negative" emotions, OMG, it is really bad ( I had these kinda eruptions 3 times in my life and belive me my face was not pretty). and then I completely detouched myself from that person(s)/situations (I ignore they exist) I know that human beings are not perfect and we allowed to make mistakes and holding a grudge well.... it is not healthy. IP: Logged
ErickaF unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 01:03 PM I have Sun in scorpio and moon in acqua and I forgive but funny thing is that I won't ever talk to them again. So if someone betrays me I will find peace in my heart to go on and forgive the loser (hehe) then go on with my life. I think for us scorp's it will always be hard to forgive. IP: Logged
MysticMelody Knowflake Posts: 1066 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 25, 2007 01:08 PM Wow, there were No replies when I started my novel there. I see others have mentioned the same feelings about being wary and not forgetting. IP: Logged
MysticMelody Knowflake Posts: 1066 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 25, 2007 01:14 PM Aquavic Well, I am glad that the brainstorming session helped. That was a nice topic idea! I hope you are enjoying LindaLand IP: Logged
aqua inferno unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 02:29 PM Oh I never forgive...I'm a failure at the school of pisces To me, forgiveness means the pain caused is not hurting me anymore. And I can't let go of pain, I use past pain to help me avoid new pain...to build walls, so it never happens again. I clutch onto wounds to remind me what happens if I let my guard down. It’s so ironic that my process of avoiding pain, is causing me more pain then this “future pain” ever could. Old habits die hard. Another reason why I don’t like to forgive is…to me, forgiving is like saying “I’m totally ok with the pain you caused, lets be friends” Might have something to do with Saturn in Scorpio – my life lesson is to learn forgiveness and stuff – hence the pisces sun to give me a helping hand. IP: Logged
BroodingMooodlin unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 06:07 PM I'm not sure if this (what I'm going to say) is about forgiveness or not but it could somewhat relate. Have you ever been in a situation where you were on good terms with someone, (maybe they were close, beyond acquaintance status but not an entirely devoted friend either) the two of you planned to do share some activity together or meet, etc., then one of you cancels or something comes up and you miss the rendezvous, thereafter having the ill fortune of being bombarded with all sorts of impediments that would disallow you two to maintain contact to discuss what occurred, etc.? For some reason, I've had that happen to me a few times, and I wasn't necessarily the one who had to postpone or delay. Now, it seems like it's so hard to pick up the stupid phone and ring them to see how they are. It seems like it happened so long ago and so suddenly as though some offense was taken and so we begrudgingly ignore each other, which I don't believe is the case. It's so weird and frustrating because I want to call some of these people but I feel like I can't. You see, there were those friends with mutual harmony and satisfaction etc. and then maybe one person who may have slightly disappointed you at first...until time passed by and you did not hear from them at all. The latter case I mentioned has apparently happened to me as well and for some reason, I seem to feel like that individual wounded me a great deal whereas if they'd continued to talk to me or had been open my dismay could have been deterred or avoided initially. Does this make any sense to anyone? But regarding the forgiveness factor, I seem to forgive easily, especially if it's a close family member or best friend (if it's not too serious or I can recover eventually) but I do kind of remember the hurt as well, especially if I'm in a state of misery again (like drunks remembering certain things they've done only when they're drunk). But I guess if I tend to not see the person who hurt me frequently, then I can easily freeze over and try to avoid them as much as possible. It's like I can't bear to see them again and be enangered or troubled by my emotions. I kind of forgive them in the sense that I try to emphasize with their situation etc., but I still cannot forget what they did to me. So while there are cases of actual hurt and inability to forget the scarring incidence and intentionally resenting contact, there are also the cases where contact should have been resumed if it were not for some paltry misunderstanding that interfered with exchange and flow. In addition, there are also people whom I feel I can return to regardless of the lapse of time or infrequency of meeting and whom I expect to receive at any time as well. The rapport is definitely mutual. IP: Logged
MISSARIES unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 07:12 PM I guess it would depend on the situation... If it's something that didn't put myself or my loved ones in danger I can find forgivness in my heart. Also it would depend on the interaction w/ that person after "whatever" happened. I've found myself to do some things in my past that I wish I could take away. By that I guess if I knew someone felt that then yes I could have no problem forgiving and moving on. I think that everyone is in one's life to teach them something and I hardly believe that it is to hold a grudge. I guess like stated above it's one thing to not to forget and it's one thing to not forgive. What I think the most is it's one thing to take a step back,learn, and expand one's "self" from each and every situation and appreciate the chance to do so. aries sun, pisces moon, taurus rising IP: Logged
Mistral unregistered	posted May 25, 2007 08:49 PM Hi, can you post the House positions as well or birthtime? Forgiveness will be hard to come by especially if you play your transgressions over and over which is something Scorpio ASC often indulge in. Scorpio ASC should not feed the ego, instead, soar and transcend the self's need to forgive or else it creates its own toxicity. Vengeance, sarcasm, suspicion, hatred, apathy all breed in a very dangerous concoction. You have the ability to be a self-healing machine only if you truly choose to be. You need to genuinely feel that the person who asked for forgiveness truly, truly meant it with heart and sincerity. And you must be also fair for that other person, you have to forgive them in order to forgive this hurt. Moon & Mars in Aries really seeks this, the real honesty. Perhaps this person who you seek explanation from, may not put their pride aside. You don't know if such an apology is actually meant. On the otherhand, you may constantly beat a dead horse because your emotions & anger are so closely bonded via conjunction, and become self-serving towards anger if you do not move on. IP: Logged
alanabelle86 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: Somewhere over the Rainbow... Registered: May 2009	posted May 26, 2007 06:45 AM I forgive. Which is like letting things "slide". Because I never forget. Ever. I never forget the feeling I felt when hurt/betrayed...I never forget the intention. I can hold a grudge like nobody's business. Though I try not to. I only forgive those who really mean/accept they made a mistake and make an honest effort to confront me about it and correct it. I cant stand when people take apologies for granted and just toss em around like they're meaningless. Anyway, I can forgive after a while, but usually I don't for a long while. It's not that I don't want to because I usually do internally. It's just that the wound is usually so deep and it's still hard for me to trust that person. I hate being wounded/made upset. Sun in Scorpio Moon in Leo AC in Sagittarius...Jupiter in Pisces (probably where my compassionate streak comes from) Mercury, Venus, Pluto in Scorpio Mars in Aquarius I've got 6 planets in fixed signs. All of my inner planets are fixed. With Sun, Venus, Pluto, Mars, and the Moon in fixed houses Which probably explains it. Plus a slew of vengeful Pluto aspects and extra Scorpio influence doesn't help, I'm sure. IP: Logged
taurus/gemini cusp Newflake Posts: From: Registered:	posted May 26, 2007 07:35 AM I forgive far too much, (in fact I can be a bit of a mug), as I avoid any kind of confrontation wherever possible. I never forget past hurts or betrayals but I do genuinely forgive others as I see life as one big adventure for all of us - we're all on a learning curve, so we're all bound to mess up here and there. If someone has continually hurt me in a seemingly deliberate manner, I would sadly but firmly cut them out of my life and move on. I try hard to very rarely succumb to the bitter feelings of looking back in anger, as it feels like a poison invading my soul. But I am only human and it has taken many experiences to learn this. I don't seem like a very forgiving person if you look at my details though - check out all the fixed!!! Planetary positions planet sign degree motion Sun Taurus 29°31'27 in house 11 direct Moon Aquarius 3°10'57 in house 6 direct Mercury Taurus 4°09'12 in house 10 direct Venus Taurus 22°20'34 in house 10 direct Mars Scorpio 17°37'20 in house 4 retrograde Jupiter Capricorn 12°18'21 in house 6 retrograde Saturn Scorpio 11°49'39 in house 4 retrograde Uranus Sagittarius 12°04'42 in house 5 retrograde Neptune Capricorn 0°51'14 in house 5 retrograde Pluto Libra 29°57'28 in house 4 retrograde True Node Gemini 6°35'56 in house 11 direct Ascendant Leo 6°51'37 IP: Logged
jane Knowflake Posts: 1277 From: Registered: Jul 2009	posted May 26, 2007 11:16 PM My trust is hard to earn and easy to lose, but I do forgive easily. And by forgiving, I mean I don't harbor vengeful feelings and I accept that the other person is doing the best s/he can and we all make mistakes. But when people badly hurt me, it weakens the bond I feel towards them. So even if I forgive them (which I usually do), I'll feel affectionate and warm towards them again, but I won't feel really close to them again until I trust them again, and that is less likely to happen. My stats: Sag Sun Leo Moon Scorpio Asc I think my forgiving side may be from Neptune conjunct Sun and trine Moon. I also have SN and Eros in Pisces. And I think my mistrustful side may be from my Scorpio Asc, Scorpio Mercury and Uranus squaring my Moon, and Pluto conjuncting my Sun/Moon midpoint. IP: Logged
zonnan unregistered	posted May 27, 2007 12:01 AM Jane, --My trust is hard to earn and easy to lose, but I do forgive easily. And by forgiving, I mean I don't harbor vengeful feelings and I accept that the other person is doing the best s/he can and we all make mistakes. But when people badly hurt me, it weakens the bond I feel towards them. So even if I forgive them (which I usually do), I'll feel affectionate and warm towards them again, but I won't feel really close to them again until I trust them again, and that is less likely to happen.-- exactly how I feel, except that it is possible if they can do something to make me trust them again... but it takes time...and also depends on how I feel about them. The reasons why I can forgive them is because I think noone is perfect( doesn't sound like coming from a virgo?)I am not perfect( noone set higher standard for me than i for myself) if I made mistake, i hope they would forgive me too... Sun: sag moon, leo asc: virgo IP: Logged
InLoveWithLife unregistered	posted May 27, 2007 12:17 AM I think i forgive easily....if the person shows remorse. if not, well, i do forgive but u can expect me to detach from the situation/person. i don't keep anger for long anyways. once i have vented my anger, its as good as me having forgiven them. i see no point in staying angry. and i like to keep an open mind about the person. if i see any change in them in the future, i take them right back in. regarding trust. well truly speaking i have not had any really bad experiences where my trust in a person would be shaken. i haven't been betrayed. so i can't really say how i'd deal with that. probably just detach. i have absolutely no planets in fire signs, except neptune in sag. no scorp in me either. hmmmm. IP: Logged
CoralFrequency Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Aug 2009	posted May 27, 2007 04:04 AM If the person shows remorse, I always forgive.. but my trust is lost, for at least the next 10 years or so.. maybe 20, maybe forever.. depending on their behaviour in that period. This is not to say I wouldn't talk to them as usual or be friends or care about them as a person.. I just simply wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them.. and wouldn't entrust them with anything from secrets to actions.. If I necessarily needed them to do something - for instance.. I'd have plan B and C in case they stuff up. If the person doesn’t show remorse.. there is nothing to forgive. To me this is the person not acknowledging what they have done.. and for as long as they are not willing to acknowledge the behaviour, they can't change the behaviour and they can't receive anyone's forgiveness.. In this situation I wouldn't feel I have a 'duty' to forgive.. Funnily enough, I'd find it much easier to deal with this situation because my respect for the person would plummet and my feelings for them would pretty much die so I'd just distance myself.. not forgiving OR holding a grudge.. not forgetting or remembering .. but very indifferent, and hoping our paths never cross again. PS. That being said, whatever the person did has to be substantial.. not just any small thing. I don't react this way unless they've actually done something.. I don't get weird over stupid daily things that happen in any relationship with anyone.. ______________________________________ Sun - Aries Moon - Capricorn Asc - Gem/Cancer Mercury - Pisces Venus - Aries/Tau Mars - Capricorn Jupiter - Pisces IP: Logged
Aquavic unregistered	posted May 29, 2007 09:15 AM Dear all, What a great response rate!I truly enjoy reading all of it. Dear Mistral, I just came back from my little vacation :-) here is my info House positions (Placidus) Ascendant Scorpio 2008'08 2nd House Sagittarius 2039'55 3rd House Aquarius 020'10 Imum Coeli Pisces 1015'19 5th House Aries 1049'29 6th House Taurus 302'23 Descendant Taurus 2008'08 8th House Gemini 2039'55 9th House Leo 020'10 Medium Coeli Virgo 1015'19 11th House Libra 1049'29 12th House Scorpio 302'23 Planetary positionsplanet sign degree motion Sun Aquarius 2136'24 in house 3 direct Moon Aries 2214'17 in house 5 direct Mercury Capricorn 2633'40 in house 2 direct Venus Aquarius 2540'32 in house 3 direct Mars Aries 1224'19 in house 5 direct Jupiter Scorpio 550'19 in house 12 direct Saturn Taurus 321'30 in house 6 direct Uranus Libra 825'35 in house 10 retrograde Neptune Sagittarius 046'20 in house 1 direct Pluto Virgo 2655'13 in house 10 retrograde True Node Pisces 1157'09 in house 4 direct I was born at 2.15am IP: Logged

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