posted February 02, 2008 03:04 AM              

I -as well- have a Pisces moon, that squares my Neptune in Sag in the 5th house, trine my Mars in Leo in the 1st.

posted February 02, 2008 03:12 AM            

It applies to a few people I know, but none of them are young binge drinkers.

Not much in the way of birth data, but one friend of mine has Scorpio Moon, somehow I don't have his chart any more (and I can't remember his birthday).

This guy isn't a personal friend, but I've read some of his work and he doesn't hide his alcoholism:

Charles BUKOWSKI,
born August 16, 1920 at 10:00 AM in Andernach (Allemagne)
Sun in 23°10 Leo, AS in 12°02 Libra,
Moon in 22°51 Virgo, MC in 15°32 Cancer

Interactive version, and data from:

http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/sw7zX6byjjCZ.htm

Neptune Square Mars, and Uranus in Pisces is doing all the work on one half of the chart.

posted February 02, 2008 10:31 AM            

I really hope you heed my warning to you. If you have Neptune square Moon in your chart, you should stop drinking NOW!!!!

The people most prone to alcoholism or drug addiction are those who have strong Neptune energies in their charts. Neptune relating to the Sun, Moon or Ascendant are the most vulnerable.

The key sentence that you wrote about alcohol erasing those negative feelings of guilt, etc. and how it makes you love everyone including yourself more, that's the hook. When you hit a very stressful pocket in your life, and I guarantee that some difficulties will definitely come along, you will remember that alcohol made you feel better. But that feeling doesn't last. If you can heed this warning now while you're young, that would be wonderful.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 02, 2008 10:51 AM              

It`s not that I have something against people drinking, it`s just not my cup of "tea". I know that I would probably prone to develop a serious addiction-problem (Neptune conjunct Mars and ASC; ASC-ruler in Pisces square Neptune here ), if I started drinking, so I stay away from it, as well as any other form of drugs, well except for food. *Deep sigh*

But apart from that I hate to lose control. And I would always be afraid of doing that. And furthermore I just don`t get why people are drinking "just to get drunk". I even think that is a dangerous thing, the more if you can ONLY relax when being drunk.

I don`t feel comfortable in most clubs either. So I don`t go to these locations. Why should I drink, until a place, that I doesn`t like, gets more "beautiful" due to my drinking?
There`s a reason I don`t feel comfortable in such crowds, and it`s better to find out the reason, than to "sedate" these feelings with alcohol.

Just my opinion.

posted February 02, 2008 11:30 AM              

I hope everyone who has mentioned having a problem with alcohol/being involved with someone who does, will get the help they need.

posted February 02, 2008 11:41 AM              

But then again, thanks to my Aquarius-Moon, I probably AM an alien.
Don`t drink, don`t smoke, don`t do drugs, I don`t even have a driving licence, and yes I admit it , I don`t even have sex.

I must be dead to the eyes of the world.

I do compensate with eating, though. MUCHO eating, which is an addicition in itself, I know that. And I should get a grip on that.

posted February 02, 2008 12:28 PM            

is a societally-imposed judgement on another's behavior.

As is over-eating, as is too much sex, as is drug abuse, etc....who is anybody to judge another for their personal choice of handling this very difficult human experience we are all living.

I think folks who engage in escapism are far more real than some folks who do not, atleast they feel the pain and acknowledge it.

I am not saying alchoholism of any other form of over-indulgence is a good thing. I am an ICU RN and see the effects daily of all forms of abuse of the body..however, one must cope somehow...

And I will not judge another's choices.

Neptunian folks are especially prone to substance abuse as an escape tactic, divine discontent plays a big role here.

For me, alot of times it is to color my world, make the grass greener, the skies buler, my roses smell sweeter, in times of great distress it sooths me.....my music is more profound...escapism...yes I will be the first to admit it...but I would certainly die, inside...become SO numb to life if I had to go through this...sober...all of the time....
it would kill me....

posted February 02, 2008 12:56 PM            

Bill Hicks....

rest his funny, profoundly knowledgable soul...

posted February 02, 2008 12:59 PM            

14/09/1983, Enfield, England, time unknown

Moon Sagittarius
Conjunct Neptune Sagittarius

Square Sun Conjunct Mercury in Virgo

Trine Mars Conjunct Venus in Leo

posted February 02, 2008 12:59 PM            

14/09/1983, Enfield, England, time unknown

Moon Sagittarius
Conjunct Neptune Sagittarius

Square Sun Conjunct Mercury in Virgo

Trine Mars Conjunct Venus in Leo

posted February 02, 2008 02:02 PM            

I also have
Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune
Mars square Neptune

I have a strong alcoholic family history,and so I don't drink alcoholic beverages. My girlfriend doesn't too.

posted February 02, 2008 03:30 PM            

Actually, it has been through astrology that I noticed the tremendously painful pressures that people deal with, sometimes more than I could even imagine and then I say (to myself) no wonder this person continues to indulge. I have been extremely LUCKY in mylife not have dealt with some of the same experiences that a lot of people have had to deal with.

I've been to Alanon, AA, NA, and many other Anonymous meetings, not because I drink or do drugs but to deal with how my life was negatively affected by the people who were responsible for me when I was a child and they chose to use drugs as an escape, so in that respect I can't agree with not judging these people because their actions cause a lot of damage and pain to others in their environment, they even take other people's lives because they don't find a more positive and responsible way of dealing with their pain.

But one effect that astrology has had on me is that when I am able to see the whole picture, it makes me forgive people of some of the most heinous things.

Another thing for these Neptunian people to remember is that they have a quicker spiritual link to their Higher Power (whatever that looks like to them), without going to a foreign substance. That's why they call Alcoholics Anonymous and the other Anonymous programs "A Spiritual Path" because people transfer their addictions to communicating with a Higher Power that they can TRUST and lean on in difficult times. It's a positive way of incorporating Saturn and Neptune together without disolving ambition or boundaries, without fear. Those programs remind you that you have RELIABLE tools to deal with your anguish and pain and they also remind you that you NEVER HAVE TO DO OR GO THROUGH ANYTHING ALONE!!!

Once again, I don't capitalize to yell, I'm just trying to emphasize those words.

I can't say that I've figured it all out, but I just wanted to acknowledge HippieChick's notion of not judging human beings because they chose to indulge. It's a very important and valid point to think about. After all, if wouldn't be called addiction if you could just stop doing it. So if you can cut it off before it starts, you save yourself the anguish of making things worse than they have to be.

Also, DD, you mentioned the food. That is a valid addiction. Especially when Neptune relates to the Moon which rules food and the stomach, nurturing. About 5 years ago I began just out right asking anyone with a hard aspect of Moon-Neptune if they have food issues and they all say yes. It has something to do with a time early in childhood when their mother vanished somehow, even if it was just for a little while, meaning a few months to a few years or forever, it's related somehow.

Anyway, I've rambled on long enough. But if you can stop before you get started, take that opportunity to stop.

posted February 02, 2008 04:52 PM            

Thank you.

I have many, many so called "alcoholics" in my family and friends, which AA has failed miserably, for the very reason that you state AA is based on...

turing one's addictions around, be-coming addicted to not so much a higher source, as AA is very much based upon religion and not spirituality...as be-coming adddicted to religion.

Addiction is addiction.

If someone really wants to address their alleged "addictions" one needs to go way deep, past many, many facets of their lifetime and not just trade one addiction for another.

AND escape and addiction are two different things.

I have a dear friend, also a nurse, who most would call an "alcoholic." In her attempt to quit drinking she began to pilfer from the cup at work, so to speak and steal narcotics. She lost 2 jobs like this and is now in constant rehab. I feel so bad for her, tho, on a soul level, that she has to rise each and every day and fight the gorillas on her back, she has not a monkey, but a very real gorilla. She has been through pop culture rehab and AA and is miserable, because no one is addressing the root of her needs, her needs as a soul. I think she would be far more happy lost in her world of "addiction" and working things out on a soul level, than miserable because she is doing what society tells her is the correct thing to do.

My friend is not particularlly Neptunian, not really an escape artist, but she certainly is an addict.

At work I see so many people in a culture in which in live in which alcohol is very much part of their traditions. I see this ethnic group die at very young ages due to the devestating effects of alcohol on the body, they are addicts. I do not judge them for their particular choices of their paths in life. I believe they chose this path long ago...before ever be-coming incarnate.

To flip the coin and be fair, my late husband had Venus conj Neptune in the 7th in Scorp and escaped his pain through alcohol, he ultimately escaped life, under the influence of alcohol....AA failed him as well.

He was a Neptunian escap artist turned addict, he was addicted to escaping.

posted February 02, 2008 05:40 PM            

He hit a huge painful block in his road of life about 4 years ago. He drinks recreationally almost every night. One day we were chatting and he asked me, "How do you survive?" He knows that I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I am a little bit of a new-age airy fairy spiritual person, but I don't think I go overboard and I definitely can get into TV addiction and internet addiction, but no liquor or drugs.

His question hit me hard, just like your mentioning of how we judge others who use drugs. I knew his question was coming from a serious place of wanting to stop but knowing that he's got too much emotional pain going on in his life right now. I told him that I have my own escapes that I don't talk about and I guess we all do.

The most I can do these days is to advise people when it looks like their health will be challenged from looking at the chart and ask them to ease up and even stop for a little while.

What's interesting about this guy and another client who has the same stellium in his chart is that they both have what I call strong "Shaman Energy". I told one of them that without even confirming it first that he needs to ease up on his "indulgence" or use it with discipline because he has survived his Shamanic Madness in the last 3 years and he should be using it responsibly, especially since he is seriously raising money to run for congress.

He knew exactly what I was talking about and confirmed that it was on his mind and he was glad that I brought it up because it reinforced his own thinking. He is now learning about how to use certain drugs as tools because he no longer gets the same thrill out of it recreationally. I feel that about a lot of people, if they could somehow understand the substances on a spiritual level.

Then again, everyone is spiritual, it's not up to me to define it.

Uh oh, I'm rambling again, losing the subject and my train of thought.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 04, 2008 03:22 AM              

If alcohol is a drug, then , where are the Juno aspect's?

Especially if you're "running for office" i.e Hillary Clinton....( Sun sextile AND parallel Juno)..

I know.. you're probably thinking what the "F" does Juno have to do with anything? I mean, Hillary's husband only stuck a cigar up some chick's hoo-ha

posted February 04, 2008 09:42 AM              

you're so right. I am prone to addictions, whatever they may be. Food, alcohol, even certain people. In order to stop from something I'm addicted to, I always turn to something else. It's a never ending circle.

If I try anything that can make me feel a little better about myself, then I'm hooked. It's also easy to convince me to try anything and it's very fortunate I don't hang out with people that do drugs.

posted February 04, 2008 11:23 AM            

There has been speculation that she's Bipolar. There is also been talk
of her having ADHD,but might have been used as an excuse for failing a
drug test for methamphetamine. Adderall is a medication with that
substance,and it's used to treat ADHD.

Another thing to is that ADHD and Bipolar have some overlapping
symptoms...Many ADHDers do have psychiatric disorders like
Depression,Anxiety,and Bipolar Disorders and have a high degree of
comorbidity with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,Aspergers Syndrome. Many ADHDers
do have substance abuse issues...usually self-medicate.

Her Pholus is in 2'24 Aries Retrograde
oppose Her Ascendant in 2'40 Libra
square Her Midheaven in 2'51 Cancer

according to Melanie Reinhart and other centaur astrologers, it has a Saturn-Neptune like energy......the Saturn/Neptune midpoint is said to be Pholus-sensitive

The following is from Philip Sedgwick:

Pholus: Keeper of the sacred wine and host to Hercules. Orbital Period: 91.95 yr.

Positive - just, wise, nurturing, meeting the needs of others while keeping own needs in balance, conscious of choice, ceremonial, pacifism, self nurturing, attentive

Negative - opinionated believing rules of cosmic forces do not apply to oneself, addicted to food or alcohol, careless regarding weaponry (or security tools), ignoring spiritual needs, indulgent, reclusive, meddling

Mundane - food and drink - especially regarding celebrations, daily ceremony and ritual

Ceremonial - toasting, blessings and grace, celebrations, creating a daily hour of power