posted July 23, 2007 07:45 AM              

But one thing she said it was that it would be better for him ( add luck ) if he goes across the Seas and try there a better work

I dont see this happening cause hes very close to his family and dont sees himself going so far away ( and truly i wouldnt also like to be so far away from my own Country..) - do anyone else see this happening on looking at his chart?

Thankx!

posted July 24, 2007 02:04 AM            

I'm a fan of tight orbs. It's not that I think larger orbs can't be felt, b/c I definitely think they can. But I like to focus on the narrow ones b/c I think you can get a better idea of the main themes of the relationship that way. And I also prefer to stick to the bodies Iqhunk says are most important in a love relationship (You know the ones: AC, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, NN, Karma, Valentine, Amor, Juno, Eros & Psyche, Isis & Osiris). But I'll also look at other planets if they're particularly important for that individual. For instance, since my bf's chart ruler is Neptune, I often check its synastry aspects. But using narrow orbs and Iq's recommended objects, I'd say these are the most significant aspects you have re: your Davison's NN to your natals and composite:

D. MN...
conjunct D's natal ISIS (1)
conjunct J's natal 12th (1); his draco SUN (3)
opposes J's natal JUNO (1)
conjuncts Comp. KARMA (4)
conjuncts Comp. 11th (0)/opposes 5th
D. TN...
conjunct Davison's 11th (0)/opposes 5th
opposes J's natal EROS (0)
opposes D's natal IC

So most of the bodies involved identify the purpose of this relationship as being a love relationship--Eros, Juno, and Isis. The NN aspecting Karma shows that it's a significant, fated relationshihp. The aspects to your IC and his d.Sun show that the relationship affects both of your senses of self, your very identity. The aspect to his 12th house complements the aspect to his Sun nicely, since it menas that not only will his conscious self feel involved in the relationship, but so will his subconscious. And the repeated aspects with the 11th/5th house axis point to those houses as being homes for the purpose of your relationship. Your union will focus very much on love & romance, as well as friendship, hopes, and wishes. Sounds heavenly. And that's only your NN activity!

About your 5th house cusp being so close in your Davison and Comp...I think that just reinforces those signs as dominating your 5th and 11th house issues. Say your 5th is in Capricorn...then your romance (5th house stuff) will always incorporate commitment and integrity as well. I'm just using that sign as an example though, it may be in another sign, but you can see what I mean.

I checked my Davison and Comp w/ my bf, and our IC (& MC) are in the exact same spot, down to the minute--Aries/Libra 14º25. And our 5th (& 11th) is off by about 20 minutes. So, like with you, I would interpret this to mean that our 4th house issues will often be faced in an Aries way, our 10th house in a Libra way, our 5th in a Taurus way, and our 11th in a Scorpio way.

posted July 24, 2007 06:29 AM              

You re so sweet on having helped me on this!

Yo know,i just find the aspects but then when im tryin to interpret i just make a mess :P - i must study more in depth so that I can trully take good conclusions - as the one you took!
Awww its so beautiful " Your union will focus very much on love & romance, as well as friendship, hopes, and wishes." -
I always stood a little surprised to see 11th house being so dominant(hIS NN falls to my 11th) as it has to do with friendship ( i was just blind hihih - in a love relationship, of course being friends its a 1st step to make it everything even more heavenly isnst it?)

Now i got it - Davidson vs Composite - i think that at this time i must have made all the study it can exist in all our charts hihihi - but im gonna see if I made the Natal to Davidson, as i made the Ntal to Composite!

So,as Davidson being the relatiosnhip itself, i also can see the respective Transist and see how the relatiosnhip is afected by time passing by!

Yeah,they always answer to us - Jonnhy has already been away some time in his work, sometimes they sent him to Japan,Tayland,and now they want to send him to Baku,near IRAQ - Im now hoping that he doenst go, as he has panic to fly also...im gonna make some voduu work to his Boss hihihihi ( just kidding)

posted July 24, 2007 10:16 AM              

So,nailing it to only tight orbs and to AC, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, NN, Karma, Valentine, Amor, Juno, Eros & Psyche, Isis & Osiris,and facing Davidson/Natal as how individuals are affected by the relationship :

Johns´s

D. Sun oposes John´s Venus (2), trines Asc (4);
D.Moon oposes Sun(0º), trines Mars(1º),Ceres(3);
D. Venus oposes Saturn(3);Pluto(1); trines Neptune(1);
D. Mars oposes IC(0),conjuncts MC(0); oposes Merc(3), Psyche(3º); trines Moon(2); trines Sun/Moon Mid(3º)
D.Jupiter conj his Sun/Moon Mid( 2º)
D. Saturn conj Venus/Mars Mid(2º);trines Marriage Man(1º), Wedding(2º)
D.PF conj 3thCusp(3); conj Amor(3) (like in Sinastry)
D.PF oposes 9thCusp(2); trines Karma(3); Lilith(0);
D.Vertex trines Venus(3);
D.Juno conj Wedding(0º),trines Venus/Mars Mid(0º),trines Marriage Men(1º).
D.Amor conjuncts Moon(3); trines IC(0); Merc(2); Valentine(0º) ,
D.Valentine conjuncts widely his Valentine(5º);oposes Sun/MOOn Mid(2º); Mars(3º); trines Sun(3º); Merc(3º),
D.Karma conj kiron(3º);trines Venus(3º,trines Psyche(2º)
D.Osiris conj 9thCusp(2º),oposes 3rdCusp(2); Amor(3º); trines Jup(0); NN(2º),Psyche(3º); Pallas(2º);
D.Isis oposes Sun(4); Merc(3),Psyche(2º); trines Mars(3);
D. Eros trines his Jup(2º),trines his NN(0º)
D. Psyche widely conjuncts his 5thCusp(4º);widely oposes his 11th(4º),his kiron(3º);trines widely his Asc(4º);
D.Destiny conj Karma(2º); oposes Jup(1); Pallas(2);

Ana

posted July 24, 2007 11:14 AM              

jOHN´S

Wedding oposes D.Asc(1º)
Saturn conjuncts D.3rdCusp(0º)
Asc trines D.ICCusp(2º)
Marriage Men opposes D. 5thCusp(2º)
POM sextiles D. 5thCusp(0º)
Eros sextiles D. 5thCusp(0º)
Sun trine D. 6thCusp(3º)
Wedding conjuncts D.DC(1º)
Venus/Mars Mid trines D. DC(1º)
Venus oposes D. 8thCusp(3º)
Saturn oposes D.9thCusp(0º)
Kiron conjuncts D.9THCusp(1º)
Marriage Men conjuncts D.11thCusp(2º)
Wedding trines D.11THCusp(1º)
Venus/Mars Mid trines 11thCusp(1º)
Eros/Uranus/POM trines 12thCusp(1º)

Ana

8thCusp ~trines D. Asc(0º)
Moon/Alma trines 2ndCusp(1º/3º)
NN/PF trines 3rdCusp(1º)
Part Fortune conjunct IC(4º);
Alma oposes IC(0º);Moon oposes IC(2º)
8THcUSP trines D.5thCusp(1º)
Juno widely trines D.5thCusp(4º)
9thCusp/Asc trines D.6thCusp(0º/2º)
Saturn/2ndCusp trines DC(0º)
vENUS/mRAS mID./mARRIAGE wOMAN trines D.9thCusp(0º)
Alma/Moon conjunct D. DC(0º/2º)
2NDcUSP/Saturn trines D. 11thCusp(0º/1º)
DC/3rdCusp trines D. 12thCusp(3º/0º)

posted July 24, 2007 12:17 PM              

Yup Jane - our 5th is on Cap - Good Catch!

I found another things on checking the Composite Verses Davidson:

- Moon satyed in the same sign and degree(5ºAries)
- Uranus,Neotune,Pluto both in same sign(maybe because are slower planets)
- Juno satayed in same sign and degree (1ºPisces)
- Isis/Osiris satyed same sign difering few degrees

In Composite the most significant aspects were:

C. Karma conjuncts my NN(4º),Isis(3º),oposes my Neptune(1º),my Marriage Woman(2º)
C.Destiny trines my Asc(3º),my 5thCusp(0º)
C.Alma conjuncts my DC(0º)
c. Isis CONJUNCTS MY dc(3º)
C.Valentine conjuncts my Eros(1º),my Sun/Moon Mid(2º)
C.Osiris conjuncts my 6thCusp(1º),oposes my Sun(2º)
C. Vertex widely opose Mars/Valentine(4º),oposes Karma(1º)
C. PF conjunct Juno(1º),Saturn(3º)
C. Saturn conjucnt Pluto(2º)
C. Mars conjunct Asc(2º),oposes DC(3º)
C. Venus oposes Amor(2º)
C. Moon conjuncts DC(0º)
c Sun trines my Moon(2º)

JOHN

C. Karma conjuncst his 12thCusp(2º),oposes Neptune/Juno(2º),trines Saturn(2º)
C.Destiny oposes his Mars(2º)
C.Alma oposes his Sun(3º)
c. Isis oposes his Sun(3º);Mars(3º)
C.Valentine conjuncts his NN(3º)
C. Osiris trines Jup(3º);NN(0º)
C. PF oposes his Venus/Mars Mid(2º),trines Isis(3º),Osiris(1º)
C. Saturn conjucnts his Saturn(4º)
C. Mars conjuncts his Sun(3º),Psyche(3º)
C. Venus conjunct his 3rdCusp(1º);oposes his PF(4º);trines his Karma(4º)
C. Moon oposes his Sun(0º),trines his Mars(1º)
C Sun trines his 11thCusp(0º)

posted July 25, 2007 06:07 AM              

I can understand your thoughts on the 11th house. It always has puzzled me why it was highlighted in some of my synastries, too. The men`s Moon tend to fall into my 11th house at any case and some other planets, too.
The sm-actor has his Moon, NN and Uranus in my 11t house and I have my Venus, Isis and Osiris in his 11th house.
What does this mean? Friendship?
Or does it mean something else, since we are both in tune with Aquarius-Uranus-11th house.
My Moon is in Aquarius and my Uranus is conjunct my 11th house cusp.
His AC is in Aquarius and his Mercury and Mars fall into his 11th house.
Maybe the 11th house feels different for people, who have natal placements there?
Or maybe it`s important that his NN and Moon are conjunct my Uranus and 11th house cusp, which means they are also opposite my 5th house cusp?
However, the 11th house puzzles me, especially in relationships. I have seen this overlay quite often, and not necessarily in asexual or platonic relationships!

Hmm, you mentioned the Part of Fortune. What do you think it means? I`m never sure about this one? Is it just about joy and luck? Or has it also a karmic connotation like Karma and Vertex?

posted July 25, 2007 07:57 AM              

Well,yeah,11t house is seen as friendship doesnt it?
On that site i found it says:

"what ideals you seek to live by or achieve: your hopes & desires, your dreams, your aims, your humanitarian concerns, your philan-thropic efforts, your political ideals;
how you establish your individuality & freedom;
how you hope to change the world or your immediate environment, how you break the rules;
how you relate to persons or groups of people who share your ideals: friends, buddies, allies, teammates, colleagues, comrades-at-arms, fellow committee members, party members;
how you remain an individual while being part of a group;
how you act as a friend or teammate or citizen"

So, its also good to vae a 11th connection in romantic as it also relates,as Jane said, with ideals,hopes,desires,dreams,aims

On the Astro Forum, an astrologer on looking to a 11thhouse in Composite,also refered to it as a "house of the future of the relationship" -hmm this i dindt really knew - but if its true, then, its explained why this house is many times highlighted in romantic relationships

posted July 25, 2007 11:35 AM              

Ive red on the other thread about the importance of aspects to the houses of relationships: 1th/4th/5th/7th/8th/12th - i suppose only conjunctions/opositions are the most important ones to look at?

I found very few of those in our sinastry,what do you think of those?

"ANA

Ruler of my AscST: and ruller of my 8th also : VENUS

Semiskuare his Mercury ( ruler of his 12th ); semisextile his Venus( ruler of his Sun and of his 4th) ; skuare his Mars( ancient ruler of his 5th); sextiles Saturn (ruler of his 7th/ancient ruler of his 8th); skuare his Uranus (ruler of his 8th); sextiles his Pluto (ruler of his 5th);semisextiles his Asc

Ruler of my 4th: SATURN

Conjuncts his Saturn(ruler of his 7th); semisextiles his Uranus (ruler of 8th); Conjuncts PLuto(ruler of 5th);skuares Asc

Ruler of my 5th: URANUS

Sextiles Sun(ruler of his 2nd),; quindecile his Moon(ruler of Asc);Conjunct his Mars ( ancient ruler of his 5th); semiskaure his Saturn(ruler of his 7th); Conjunct his Uranus(ruler of 8th);trines his ASC

Ruler of my 7th: MARS

Sextiles Sun(ruller of his 2nd);sextiles Merc(ruler of his 12th);semiqkuare his Venus(ruler of his 4th);trines his Mars(ancient ruler of his 5th);trines his Uranus( ruler of his 8th);trine his MC

Ruler of my 12th MERCURY

Conjuncts his Sun(ruler of his 2nd); Conjuncts his Venus ( ruler of his 4th and of his Sun);sextiles his Mars(ancient ruler of his 5th);sextile his Uranus( rule rof his 8th);sextiles his Asc

JOHN

Ruler of his Asc ST:MOON

Oposes my Mars ( ruller of my 7th);quindecile my Uranus( ruler of my 5th);semiskuare my MERC(ruler of my 12th)

Ruler of his 4th:and of his 11th VENUS

Trines my Moon( ruler of my MC), Conjuncts my Merc(ruler of my 12th),semisextile my Venus(ruler of my asc/8th), semiskuare my mars(ruler of my 7th),conjuncts my Asc

Ruler of his 5th: MARS/PLUTO

Mars skuares my Sun (ruler of my 11th house); sextiles my Merc(ruller of my 12th);trines my Mars(ruler of my 7th); conjuncts my Uranus(ruler of my 5th)

Pluto sextiles my Venus( ruler of my asc/8th);Conjuncts my Saturn(ruler of my 4th);

Ruler of his 7th: SATURN

Semiskuares my Sun(ruler of my 11th);sextiles my venus(ruler of my asc/8th);conjuncts my Saturn(ruler of my 4th);semiskuares my Uranus(ruler of my 5th)

Ruler of his 8th: Saturn/URANUS

Sextiles my Merc(ruler of my 12th);skuares my venus(ruler of my asc/8th);trines my mars(ruler of my 7th); Conjuncts my Uranus(ruler of my 5th),sextiles my AC

Ruler of his 12th: MERCURY

Semiskuare my Venus(ruler of my asc/8th);sextiles my mars(ruler of my 7th);conjuncts my AC

I noticed somethings regarding ARABICS:

MY 2ndCusp conjuncts his Venus/Mars Mid(0º)/my 8th oposes it
My 3rdCusp conjuncts his POM(0º)/my9th oposes it
my MC conj his Marriage Men
My Saturn( 4th ruler) conjunct his Venus/Mars Mid(1º)

His

2ndCusp conjuncts my Venus/Mars Mid(0º)/his 8th opose it
Jup (ruler of his 3rd) oposes my POM(1º)
His Mars(ancient ruler of his 7th) conjuncts my Marriage Woman(1º) Sounds Good
His Saturn(ruler of his 7th) conjuncts my Destiny(3º)
His Neptune(ruler of his 9th) conjuncts my Marriage Woman2(1º)
His 12thCusp oposes my Marriage Woman(4º)

posted July 25, 2007 04:05 PM              

yes I think those are the most important relationship houses, but it depends on what energy is emphasized in a person. If you are very ambitous and have a crowded 10th house, the aspects to your MC-ruler might be very important.

Also, I tend to only look at the main aspects, and like to see some conjunctions and oppositions or even trines, because those are the most significant aspects.

I`d say, t hose are significant:

your ruler of ascendant and 8th house:
square his Mars, ruler of his 5th
sextile his Saturn, ruler of his 7th and 8th
square his Uranus, ruler of his 8th
sextile his Pluto, ruler of his 5th

Ruler of your 4th:
conjuncts his Saturn, ruler of his 7th (VERY important)
conjuncts his Pluto, ruler of his 5th (*gulps*: very intense, the ruler of 4 and 5, of the Moon and the Sunhouse, might even feel like a Sun-Moon-conjunction)

Ruler of your 5th:
sextiles his Sun
conjunct his Mars, ruler of his 5th (very important)
conjunct his Uranus, ruler of his 8th (very important)
trine his ASC (also important, as are all aspects to aSC)

Ruler of your 7th:
sextiles his Sun
sextiles his Mercury, ruler of his 12th
trine his Mars, ruler of his 5th
trine his Uranus, ruler of his 8th

Ruler of your 12th:
conjuncts his Sun (very important)
conjuncts his Venus, ruler of his 4th (very important)
sextile his Mars, ruler of his 5th
sextile his Uranus, ruler of his 8th
sextile his ASC

Ruler of his Asc
opposes your Mars, ruler of your 7th (very important - this is one of the aspects in the "marriage rule", signifying a meaningful relationship or marriage - does it at times feel like a Venus-Mars-opposition?)

Ruler of his 4th:

trines your Moon
conjuncts your Mercury, ruler of your 12th (very important)
conjuncts your ASC (very important)

Ruler of his 5th: MARS/PLUTO

squares your Sun
sextiles your Mercury, ruler of 12th
conjuncts your Uranus, ruler of 5th (very important)

sextiles your Venus, ruler of 1 and 8
conjuncts your SAturn, ruler of 4 (very important)

Ruler of his 7th:

sextiles your Venus, ruler of 1 and 8
conjuncts your SAturn, ruler of 4 (very important)

Ruler of his 8th:

Sextiles your Mercury (ruler of 12
squares your Venus, ruler of 1 and 8

trines your Mars, ruler of 7
conjuncts your Uranus,ruler of 5 (very important)
sextiles your AC

Ruler of his 12th:

sextile your mars, ruler of 7
conjuncts your AC (very important)

posted July 26, 2007 07:43 AM              

ive never looked at this if it could be felt as a sort of sun/moon conj or venus/mars oposition! Its great news

We dont have any sun/moon aspect,only moon/moon or sun/sun and our moons are skuared...so,you say that the ruler4th/ruler5th conjunction it might be felt as a SUN- MOON conjunction? -That surelly helps on the skuared Moons

On sinastry we only have a venus/mars skuare and a venus/mars semiskuare..i think this isnt seen as good aspects doesnt it?
Hmmm - i didnt knew also that RULE OF MEANINGFUL RELATIONSHIP - about if i feel the venus/mars oposition:
well,we definatelly feel a very irresistible atraction and romantic desire for each other - but i thought this came from the skuare?

Overall, by your analysis,afterall,our cusps are much more interliked that what ive imagined!

I dindt understand yet that other important conection youve talked about :the Solstice Conjunction? - could you explain me a little better please?

posted July 26, 2007 07:55 AM              

Well,i also see it as like if its linked also to Destiny and Fate.
I think that in the beginnigns,in some ancient cultures they saw it too as being both about luck and fortune as Fate also

posted July 26, 2007 08:50 AM              

The ones I like most are:COMPOSITE

- sUN/vENUS Conjunct - Sun/Eros Conj - Sun/MC Trine
- Moon/Uranus Trine - Moon/Kiron sextile - Moon/Isis/Alma Conj
-vENUS/Valentine sextile - Venus/Union Trine
- Mars/Merc Conj - Mars/kiron/Juno Trine
- JUP/SUN/Eros sextile
- Saturn/Psyche/ Conj - Saturn/NN/Juno/Karma Trine
- Uranus/Alma/Isis Trine
- Neptune/Love/AC Trine
- Pluto/Psyche conjunt
- Vertex/Amor trine
- Juno/Osiris Conjunct
- Valentine/Osiris Trine
- Eros/Union/MC Trine
- Psyche/AC/Love sextile
- Karma/Love sextile

The ones i like less hihihi :P

- Sun/Uranus skuare - Moon oposes Merc/Mars
- Venus/Uranus skuare

DAVIDSON

Like Most:

- Sun/Merc conj - Sun/Psyche trine - Sun/Alma conj - Sun/karma/vertex Trine
- Moon/Isis/Mars Conj - Moon/Jup/Uranus/Love trine
- Venus/Nep/AC Trine
- Mars/Jup/Uran/ Trine
- Saturn/Asc sextile
- Neotune/AC Trine
- NN/Eros trine
- Kiron/karma/MC Conj
- Vertex/karma/MC/ Trine
- Juno/Eros conj
-Amor/Valentine Trine
- Eros/Osiris trine
- Psyche/alma/love trine
- Isis/love trine
- karma/MC Conjunct
- Alma/love trine and sextil MC

I like less:

posted July 26, 2007 11:11 AM              

- His Love conjuncts my Valentine/Karma/Union

- His Love trines my Uranus/Jup/Vertex

- My Love conjuncts his Amor

- My Love trines his Isis/Osiris/Karma

My Union almost exactl yconjunct his Asc, while his Union/Alma/Moon falls on my 5th.

The fact of his MC fallin on my 7th..might be that his "goals in life" passes by a possible marriage between us?

Oth my Neptune,Uranus,Jup falls on his 5th also (possible children together)?

posted July 27, 2007 07:34 AM              

yes, your cusps and houserulers are very interlinked.
Well, regarding the ruler of 5 and 4 acting like Sun and Moon, you will find different views on this one. But to me there are great similiarities between signs, planets and houses - that is the beautiful geometry of astrology.
The Sun, Leo and 5th house have something in common; to me it`s all about expressing yourself, your emotions.
The Moon, Cancer and 4th house also have something in common; they are very connected with their emotional core. The ruler of 5 and 4 in aspect is maybe not exactly the same as a Sun-Moon-aspect (not sure yet), but there are certain similiarities.

Solstice-points are also called Antiscia.
Cafe astrology described the calculation like this:

"Determining Solstice Points (Antiscia) for Synastry Work

(Techniques for Determining Compatibility)
How to Find the Solstice Point (Antiscia) of a Planet or Point

To find the Antiscion Point or Solstice Point of the Sun in your chart, for example, you would subtract the degrees in longitude of the Sun from 30 degrees and finding the corresponding sign from this list:

Gemini-Cancer
Leo-Taurus
Virgo-Aries
Libra-Pisces
Scorpio-Aquarius
Sagittarius-Capricorn

My Sun's position is 25 degrees Virgo 21 minutes. I find the Antiscia of my Sun by subtracting 25 degrees 21 minutes from 30 degrees (or 29 degrees 60 minutes) to arrive at 4 degrees 39 minutes. From the list above, we find that the Antiscia of the sign Virgo is always Aries. Therefore my Solstice Sun is 4 degrees Aries 39 minutes.

My Moon's natal position is 28 Pisces 25. To find the Antiscion point, I subtract this degree from 30 degrees, to arrive at 1 degree 35. The Antiscia of the sign Pisces is always Libra, so I arrive at the degree of my Solstice Moon: 1 Libra 35.

Planet Positions Solstice Points/Antiscion Degrees"

Important are the solstice conjunctions and oppositions.
For example the Solstice point of my Ascendant is 23° Capricorn (since my ascendant is on 7° Saggitarius), so every planet on 23° Capricorn or 23° Cancer has a connection to my ASC, even though you cannot see it easily. coincidentally, the sm-actor`s Sun (ruler of his 7th house) falls onto 23° Capricorn. They are also called mirror-degrees.

Here are some links:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/antiscia.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/antiscia.html
http://theastrologicalguild.co.uk/articles/Gunzburg_SolsticeAndAntisciaPoints_Oct04.pdf
http://www.solsticepoint.com/1declination.htm

Often planets which are solstice conjunct will also be parallel each other. The other case that happens often is two planets which are conjunct and parallel each other.
however, I think nowadays astrologers see solstice-conjunctions and oppositions (or antiscia and contrascia) as "hidden conjunctions".

Hope that helps.

DD

posted July 27, 2007 04:44 PM              

I will take a more closer look to those when i get my head on the right track again.

posted July 30, 2007 12:23 AM            

Anyway, I've come bearing gifts and I figured you two would be interested in this. It's the gift of knowledge. I learned about it from Node. Have you guys looked up your Persona charts? You can make them for every point in your chart, but the most relevant for relationships would be Venus (Mars is probably important too). The charts are based on the date and time when the Sun was first in the degree of the planet/asteroid in question.

You can find your Venus persona chart in the "extended charts" section at astrodienst. When selecting the chart you want, select "Nine Persona Charts." Then you can use the date and time listed to build that chart (that way you can add asteroids and all that fun stuff) And then even more fun, don't know if it's legit to do this, but you can then study the synastry between your Venus Persona and your love's Natal and Venus Persona charts.

I've only looked up my Venus Persona chart so far, but have found it very accurate in describing the way I am in relationships in general.

posted July 30, 2007 05:07 AM              

thank you for your nice words. I`m glad you can find something useful in my posts. I try to see the whole, but usually it`s so much, I don`t really get a grip on it. lol

HOwever, I have actually heard of Persona-charts, but never knew if they are valuable or how do you treat them. Can you use them for synastry? If so, how?
WEll, I had a short look at my own Venus-chart, and it seems that my Gemini-Karma is now conjunct this chart`s DC.
Definitely makes sense.

posted July 30, 2007 05:23 AM            

The way I used it for synastry is I entered the birth data listed for my Venus Persona chart to get a natal chart based on that. Then I did the same for my bf and checked out our synastry.

posted July 30, 2007 12:31 PM              

John:

ASC:Pisces
1st: VIRGO ( no planets)
2sn: Taurus ( Juno/Osiris/Alma)
3rd: Gem: (NN/kiron)
IC:Gem ( Isis/aprodite)
5th: Cancer ( Eros)
6th: Leo ( Venus/mars/PF/Karma/Valentine)
7th C in Virgo ( merc/pluto/vertex/)
8th:Scprop: (Saturn/Psyche/Anteros/)
9th: sag: (Jup/uranus)
10th: MC In Sag:Neptune
11th in Cap:
12th Aqua: (Moon/ceres/Amor)

ANA

1ST leo ( Sun/Alma)
2nd Vrigo: (Merc/venus/Valentine)
3rd virgo: ( pluto/PF/Karma)
4th:scorp: ( mars/saturn)
5th: sag: (jup/uranus/neptune/vertex/eros/)
6th cap(psyche)
7th: aqua ( none...)
8th pisces ( none...)
9th pisces ( none...)
10th taurus ( NN/ceres/amor)
11th gem ( moon/Kiron/anteros)
12th cancer ( osiris/aprho)

Hmmm my venus persona chart seems awfull hihih none planet in those love/sex houses - OH GOD

My Jonhy on the other hand - and a Pisces Asc so much sensitive!

posted July 30, 2007 02:19 PM              

looked at my Venus-persona-chart. It`s only 10 days after my original chart (Sun and Venus are 10 degrees apart); the ascendant is the same sign, but the planets are not all falling into the same houses. Interesting.

ASC: 16 - 17 Sagittarius
AN EASTER SUNRISE SERVICE DRAWS A LARGE CROWD
It`s a sign of a spiritual rebirth, which leads to undoubted faith and devotion. I like that one. I need this.

1st house:
Sun, Mercury, Venus, Isis and Osiris (like in my natal chart)

DC: 16 - 17 Gemini
THE HEAD OF A ROBUST YOUTH CHANGES INTO THAT OF A MATURE THINKER
My natal Karma is exactly conjunct this Descendant (orb: 0°21)

7th house:
Moon (opposite my natal Sun / Mercury)on 24° Gemini (same sign as in the draconic - I have it with Twins, don`t I?)
Saturn
Eros
Destiny

I guess, this is a significant placement, the 7th house in a Venus-personar?

2nd house:
Psyche (like in the natal)

8th house:
Vertex (but no Saturn, Eros, Destiny like in the natal)

3rd house:
Ceres
Jupiter
Juno
(like in the natal)

9th house:
Pluto
(oh Thank God he has left it`s top positon on top of the MC!)

IC:18 - 19 Aries
A MAGIC CARPET HOVERS OVER THE DEPRESSING REALITY OF EVERYDAY LIFE IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA

Oh blimey, this is the deepest core of my Venus-persona?
One of the meanings are "transcendence, meditation, ASTRAL TRAVEL"

4th house:
Chiron
(like in the natal, but now Chiron conjuncts the IC, ouch!)

MC: 18 - 19 Libra
A GANG OF ROBBERS IN HIDING
It means that I`m easily being taken advantage of, but also that I feel as if life is just unfair and that everything is taken away from me. *sighs* Jip, so true, I do tend to feel, that I will never be lucky in love.

10th house:
Uranus
(he once was in the 11th of the natal house)

5th house:
nothing *sobs*

11th house:
nothing *sobs*

6th house:
Karma
(but it is conjunct the DC with 2,5° of orb)

The Sabian for this Karma is:
TWO PEOPLE, AT WIDELY DIFFERENT POINTS, ARE IN CONVERSATION WITH EACH OTHER BY MEANS OF TELEPATHY

Wow, wow, wow, another hint at those spiritual communications?
SEems there are really spiritual ties to other people in my life (and not only imagination), and seems these ties are tied (he he) to my love-nature. Love-bonds?

12th house:
VAlentine (conjunct the cusp)
Mars
Amor
Neptune (had been in 1 in natal)
True Node (had been in 1 in natal)

what a crowded 12th house!
Again, with Valentine conjunct 12th house cusp - loves from the past?

Also, the sabian of NN:
IN THE LEFT SECTION OF AN ARCHAIC TEMPLE, A LAMP BURNS IN A CONTAINER SHAPED LIKE A HUMAN BODY

It`s the same as in my natal, and it also includes "linking the spirit with the body".
This is the purpose of my love-mess? Creating, gaining a balance?
Well, I once said to a friend: "I feel like a bridge. I`m part of the one world and I am part of the other world, and I can link those two world, so others can see both, but I, I neither belong here nor there. I never feel home."
Hmm, there`s the dual lives-thing again.

SN:
NEWLY OPENED LANDS OFFER THE PIONEER NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPERIENCE

That`s where I come from? Seems, I really need to go off the beaten track. *Sighs* I always knew, deep inside I did. Who has once seen the truth, can no longer walk the common road, as a friend once wrote to me.

OH Diandra, no planets in the love / sex houses? What are you talking, girl?
Didn`t you see all those exciting Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, Vertex and Eros in the 5th house?

Yes, in the 7th house you love your partner and are willing to compromise, and in the 8th house this sizzling, magical chemistry and also jealousy is being born, but the 5th house, that is the beginning, there love is being born. There you are in love, the house of romance, of love-affairs, of this exciting, sometimes dramatic, sometimes hilarious game of love, this sizzling athmosphere of new territory, of getting to know the other one, of hearing his story, the magic, the excitement of the first night together, the first morning bathed in glaring light. So many possibilities, so many chances to take, so many roads to go, so many dreams to dream together.
Ah, if they say: love is in the air, they mean the 5th house, they really do. So don`t worry too much about 7th and 8th house. You have this delicious 5th house.

Jane,

NN in 7th house, Pluto and Karma in 8th house? WE don`t have to guess, what your karma in love is, do we?

DD

posted July 30, 2007 03:37 PM              

1st house: Virgo
Psyche
Moon-Pluto-Uranus - conjunction

7th house: Pisces
Saturn-Chiron-conjunction (poor guy)

2nd house:
Destiny
Mars

8th house:
Valentine

3rd house:
Neptune
SN

4th house:
Amor
Isis
Osiris
MErcury
Sun-Eros-conjunction

(this is one stuffed 4th house; he seems to have a real need to find his home, the place where he belongs.
Interestingly his IC falls into my natal 1st house, close to the ASC, and his Amor, Isis and Osiris are opposite my natal Karma and the Karma in the Venus-persona - the opposition of his Amor, Isis to my karma is exact)

10th house:
Ceres

5th house:
Venus
Not so surprising for such a talented artist.

A WOMAN ENTERING A CONVENT
Hmm that doesn`t spell too good for his relationships, does it?
"Spiritual retreat. Losing the libido. Taking vows. Longing for love of a higher kind."

And that Venus in the Venus-persona is conjunct (even though not exactly) my natal Sun-Moon-mp and solstice conjunct my natal ASC and Mars.

Hmm, that reminds me to look up my Sabian for the Venus, too (the Venus in the Venus-personar seems to be an important planet, don`t you agree?)

18 - 19 Capricorn:
A CHILD OF ABOUT FIVE CARRYING A HUGE SHOPPING BAG FILLED WITH GROCERIES

That doesn`t sound too good, either.
Growing up too fast. Being weighed down with the responsibilities. Taking on too much.

And those two (unlucky) Venus-positions are still conjunct (like in the natals).
His Persona Venus is also opposite my natal Vertex, Eros and Destiny and sextiles my natal Valentine.
My Persona Venus is trine his natal Pluto, sextile his natal SAturn / Chiron, sextile his natal Neptune, trine his natal NN, and trine his natal Psyche.
So, that means that my Persona Venus completes a Grand trine with his natal Pluto / Psyche and NN, which is further supported by sextiles to Saturn, Chiron and Neptune.
Can you do synastry with the Venus-persona? And if you do, what do you compare, persona - persona, or natal - persona?

11th house:
Karma-Jupiter-conjunction
Juno
(his Karma is also exactly conjunct my Vertex in the PErsona)

9th house:
True Node
A MAN WITH SILK HAT, MUFFLED AGAINST THE COLD, BRAVES A STORM