posted June 25, 2007 12:38 PM              

I know about a few aspects already. I got the relationship chart done when the old website was going, but I think the system for this chart was done using the equal chart system, or something (how Linda did it)....rather than exactly measuring the aspects.

There are some difficult aspects in the chart involving 'heavy karma' but also some very good ones. The difficult part is the question of whether the good outweighs the bad or vice versa.

posted June 25, 2007 12:49 PM              

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Mars, that's so spot on!

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I agree with MCM.

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...please tell me, what did you to develop those abs?

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MCM, you are a good guy...

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HEHE Marsconjunctmercury is soo right about virgo moons

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I only read your posts. Everyone else is boring

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posted June 25, 2007 01:36 PM              

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My advice is grow up.

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What does "growing up" truly mean?

BTW: when Listen to Trees mentioned about the incompatibility in her relation, that is what she feels life, knowing it from the charts and other placements surely do help to mend the ways. Astrology is a guide, and I am sure that is what she is looking for.

posted June 25, 2007 01:48 PM              

How many people who you know of who are mature have found THEIR PERFECT soul mate and have PERFECT RELATIONSHIPS?

Life is complicated, people are complicated.

You and I do not know each other very well. I have NOT done anything to deserve your hostility. Perhaps when you use the words 'grow up' to others, you should with yourself!

posted June 25, 2007 02:01 PM              

It is all about self-discovery, not limbo.

It is in human nature to fight sometimes. It is how we get things out in the open, rather than be repressed and let things bottle up inside, festering, where they may later reappear in a nastier way than they would if they were confronted the first time.

The QUESTION is.....It is the chemistry of different people's SPIRITUAL make-up which determines how exactly they get on.

posted June 25, 2007 02:10 PM              

To have faith that someOne I've never met exists on the physical plane is scary and tough, but what the heck....I'm just going to jump right in and do it. I'm going to break away from this relationship, even though we have shared so much with each other. It just feels too exhausting.

Life isn't the same without a soul mate (yes, he is my soul mate, just not my Twin Soul) to share things with. But I'll have to make the sacrifice if I want to change life, and gain more in the long run

If you guys know what true love is, then you would know that you can love someone very deeply who isn't your Twin Soul. TRUE LOVE is unconditional. True love is the love of all creation because it is the realization that everyOne is interconnected.

The only thing I ever had a problem with was the Twin Soul concept but I am going to try and have faith for once and for all. Maybe we don't even need to be with anyone once we are highly spiritually evolved anyway.

posted June 25, 2007 02:22 PM              

you have a beautiful nickname

In one of the threads on this page theres a post of one AZalaksh that says:

"From Linda Goodman’s “Relationship Signs” page 196 ~

If only Earthlings would realize the power of love to conquer any kind of misery or unhappiness like a mighty magic wand, it wouldn’t matter whether two people’s birth charts were full of positive or so-called negative aspects because love can conquer the influences of the planets. It can even eliminate karma. Yes, if only humans truly understood this. Well, it’s the Aquarian age of serendipity, so maybe someday soon.

From Steven Forrest: http://www.stevenforrest.com/lovehandles.html

To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:
There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.
There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

**The Truth About Astrology** (from “The Changing Sky”) by Steven Forrest ~

Astrology is humanity’s oldest and most precise mindmap. It cannot, however, accurately predict events. The planets hold half the cards; you hold the rest. Choices you make within the astrological environment determine what actually happens to you.
We are free. No rigid, fatalistic prediction can bind us. There is no astrological event so baleful that creativity, intelligence and honest self-appraisal cannot turn it to constructive uses – and there is no configuartion so glorious that selfishness and laziness cannot sour it.
The purpose of moderm predictive astrology is to help people make better choices, to clarify the nature of the psychological terrain through which they are passing, and to serve as their ally in the endless, unpredictable task of creating the future.

From Marcia Sacks: http://www.mountainastrologer.com/sacks1000.html ~

Just as there is variety but no perfection in horoscopes, there can be love and companionship but no happily-ever-after in relationships. However, even folks with very difficult horoscopes can have healthy, successful relationships if they can accept that relationships require work. I think of it like gardening: You need seeds, soil, nourishment, water, and maintenance to grow something of beauty.
Remember that relationships are not a cure for depression. Other people cannot obliterate your feelings of loss, lack, and limitation. If you feed yourself positivity through affirmation and imagery, if you pat yourself on the back and nurture yourself, you will begin to attract more positive, supportive people in your life.

From Bill Herbst: http://www.billherbst.com/ ~

Human beings are not signs of the zodiac, and astrology neither reveals nor determines the quality of our consciousness. The expresson of our charts is largely a function of our maturity, rather than the other way around. Our species is chock full of human beings who are mired in seemingly permanent adolescence, no matter what their age or elevation in culture. In terms of spiritual development, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. Nonetheless, the water exists. We choose.

From Liz Greene ~

I am always left with the feeling that if you only approach the issue of relationship in a technical way, by just comparing two charts or drawing up a composite chart, or any of the other range of techniques that we have, then some very fundamental, very important points get lost. To me, the thing that gets lost is the fact that every relationship contains an element of mystery that ultimately can't be defined, can't be explained. The essence of human interchange is like the essence of the person, and the essence of the person is not in the horoscope. I don't think we will ever find it in the horoscope. Bear in mind the fact that the chart you have in front of you could easily be that of a chicken, or of the opera society, for there is nothing in the chart that demonstates that it's human. But something works thru it which is uniquely the individual soul or individuality of the person. I believe this applies also to interchange between two people. The acknowledgement of some kind of mystery, some god at work, I believe is terribly important, because without that, all your techniques leave you, in the end, with unanswered questions."

I think that if there´s real love, the willing to make efforts for the other and ourselves to be happy in the relationship, then, you can turn your incompatible behaviours into more in tune spirits

posted June 25, 2007 02:33 PM              

I´ve many times red about twinsouls and soulmates.Its knowned that only about less than a 5% of humanity has met their twin.
Twins only meet in centuries apart,but soulmates exists for us to evolve and so, they come to us more times in lifes and lifes around.

DOnt leave the love of a soulmate to try to find your twin.
Just leaves a person if you feel you arent anymore spiritually connected to him.

I know that life is very different without a soulmate.Ive been many time without mine and now i dont see myself leaving him for going in a quest of a twin that may not appear in this life.

Think with your heart very well before making such an important decision

posted June 25, 2007 02:52 PM              

MCM...If you are reading I'm sorry if I went 'off on one'....was feeling a bit sensitive.

Diandra23 (lovely name) I am now going to have to go and re-think my decision!

If what you say is true about Twin Souls being as rare as they are, perhaps incarnating at different times, then it is truly not constructive to be barren of soul and celibate of body, waiting, waiting. Sex is NOT a sin. I strongly believe this- and if I did eventually meet my real Twin (who knows if I will, God maybe) then there would be such profound empathy, neither of us would give a damn about what we have done in the past. Because that is incredibly trivial....Whereas this kind of profound love is NOT trivial. With perfect trust, loyalty and understanding, ALL insecurities can be SURPASSED. I know this because I have already experienced it....the loyalty and trust that is.

posted June 25, 2007 03:01 PM              

i hope evruthing turns out the way you want and need.

In the Soul Unions forum,theres lovely threads about those Twins/Soulmate encounters if you wanna read

Sex is not a sin f course,i believe that love can be trully felt through the lovemacking.
Im a person who only believes in sex woth love, so i conceive it as a very important thing in a love relationship.

posted June 25, 2007 05:13 PM              

I'm with you on the sex and love thing too. Sex is !CRAP! without love.....I don't see the point unless you are both making love to each other in mind, body and soul.....when it is 'DEEP'.

posted June 26, 2007 07:53 AM              

Underneath the depth of the complex matter I have highlighted.....You may be right that the truth of the matter is as simple as
'We need to grow up'.

posted June 26, 2007 08:06 AM              

I found another one that says:

"How do I know He/She is my twin flame?

Your actual Twin flame is the other half of you soul. Most of the time your Twin flame is not incarnate at the same time as you are, but stays in the Ethers as a guide and a kind of caretaker. Some times however, both you and your Twin flame do incarnate at the same time.. As said this is rare. When it does, however, usually that person is NOT your ideal mate, for good reason... they are difficult to live with, you literal" other half" embodies everything you are and usually reflects EVERYTHING you do not like about your self. This is not easy to live with total chaos you have come to where you are very comfortable with your self for it to work. Most people mistake Twin Flame for their Soulmate. Yes we all have a Twin Flame, soulmates you get together and everything is perfect, Twin flame the always is a chaos, one can be attached, age difference, different locations, or the person has some serious issues and is afraid to open up to the energy because the bond is too intense. "

"A soulmate connection would be the divine connection, both Twinflame and Soulmate both have intense energies, Twinflame is the dynamite energy where Soulmate is the Dynamo that is quite powerful but long lasting, there are several types of Soulmates, friendships, family, children even pets. Twinflame is the explosion of energy where Soulmate is the generator energy, that is the difference"
http://www.angelfire.com/stars5/visions/enlightenspirit/soulmate.html
http://www.kelleyrosano.com/twinflames.html

It always fascinates me to see what brings people together. Why are we drawn into relationships that have a certain destiny? Astrology reveals our psychology, spirituality, evolution, and astrology tells the story about karma and past lives, why we are attracted to specific people, our personal, past-life momentums (personality and behavior) are being acted out in the now. As an intuitive astrologer, I see that no two people have identical astrology or past life history, not even twin-flames.
What is a twin flame you may ask? The term most often has been confused with that of soul mates the two are distinctly different. The greatest love story ever told is the one you have with your very own beloved twin flame. In the beginning we were created in God (Alpha and Omega) in an ovoid white-fire-spirit-light, the soul was split just like the atom (Adam Kadman) into two identical parts (twin flames) each with the same identical soul blueprint. The tai-chi is a symbol of twin flames. Twin flames in love spiraling in infinity.

We then went forth from the Etheric realm (heaven) of God's perfect light into denser levels of consciousness (the physical). The actual saga of Adam and Eve is about twin flames, for we all have our own Adam and Eve story. Somewhere in cosmos, each one of us has our very own divine other, who carries either the feminine or masculine polarity. This soul memory of the twin flame is so powerful, that we can feel very alone in this world, as we search for that promise of that original perfect love, the twin. No other love can compare to your own twin flame. Moreover, what I have seen with some clients in very difficult relationships choose to suffer in agonizing pain, just to be with their twin flame. The movies Somewhere in Time, The English Patient and Moulin Rouge are modern day examples of twin flame love. Twin flames throughout history and literature are often tragic love relationships. The forces of anti-love work day and night to sabotage twin flames and keep them apart.

The other two levels of relationship is that of soul mates and karmic relationships. Soul mates can create very happy marriages as they are working on similar soul initiations, life lessons, and projects in this life. Soul mates have been friends for life times and may need each other in this life to satisfy a mission or complete a work. They may not experience the incredible, all-consuming, intense love situation as twin flames.

Soul mates experience a calmer, more stable connection on the lines of a brother and a sister type rapport. I find the very best marriages to be between soul mates they work very harmoniously together in business, raising children, and contributing to the community.

Karmic relationships are where either the person owes you a karmic-debt or you owe them from a former life. They often end when the debt is paid or when Spirit determines the time of opportunity is up. All relationships are for mutual personal evolution. How can you tell if you are in a karmic relationship? No relationship is perfect, but if you feel like you need therapy as a result of being with this person, then this could be an indicator. Feeling drained emotionally, physically, and financially are indicators of a karmic entanglement. Are you doing all the giving and your partner is doing all the taking, look-out it may be a karmic entanglement." -If You Are My Soul Mate.... Why Am I So Unhappy?©
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posted June 26, 2007 10:57 AM              

And I'm still confused about my relationship.

'Soul mates may not experience the incredible, all-consuming, intense love situation as twin flame'

Hmmmm. This isn't the case.

I don't know if there is a problem with one person giving more than the other either. It is more to do with how we communicate. We are opposites in the zodiac. Gemini and Sagittarius.

posted June 26, 2007 11:06 AM              

Still maneagable thought - it´s not a matter of lavking love or intense deep feelings torwards each other - so, the most important thing is there.

Maybe it could have to do with transits to your natals,or your own composite.HAVE YOU LOOKED TO your composite progressed transits?

posted June 27, 2007 10:43 PM            

That is very interesting what you wrote about Karmic Entanglement.

I had read before that Twin Souls were very rare and did not always incarnate at the same time, but I never knew that the manifestation of that relationship would be anything less than amazing. It does make sense, though, that meeting up with the other half of yourself could rub you the wrong way, especially if those two halves still have a lot of growing to do. It would seem that those areas of weakness would be profoundly frustrating.

Good information!

ListensToTrees... how sweet of you to see past MCM's tone. I've noticed he often comes across this way (although I'm not sure that I've spoken with him directly.) I have a feeling though that deep down when he decides to be real with himself he's probably capable of being a real sweetie.

Who knows?!

posted June 28, 2007 07:05 AM              

i only realised that truth about twin relationships when i red that article.
I thought that kind of relationship would surelly be amazing and sweet.But if we take a second look,the probability of facing our other hald,who is suposed to have in him/herself, all the things in our own,that we try not to face..well, could be the most hard thing we´ll ever live in our lifes.

That´s why some astrologers also say that it´s easier to have a happy and fullfield relationship with soulmates,cause they are not our other halfs ( so dont carry our fears,and inner self insisde them),they come to helps us and help them evolve.