posted June 26, 2007 09:39 AM              

Hope this helps.
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Mars, that's so spot on!

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...please tell me, what did you to develop those abs?

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MCM, you are a good guy...

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HEHE Marsconjunctmercury is soo right about virgo moons

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I only read your posts. Everyone else is boring

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MCM....I just wanna say....Even though your wording came across as a little abrupt, you may actually have a point

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posted June 26, 2007 10:01 AM              

there`s no need to call anyone a "Moron" around here. If you don`t agree, fine. If you think this thread is "vague" and "pointless", why do you bother with answering?
Oh, I beg your pardon, you didn`t really answer, did you?

Jane,
I`m sorry I don`t know how to answer your thread. But if you are in a karmic relationship, I think the karmic debt would be mutual. But I`m not dead certain about it, so I hope, someone else with more knowledge will reply here, too.

posted June 26, 2007 10:19 AM              

Im expecting you to have a very good answer from Jane cause (contrary to you) she really has an intelligent mind and a sense of humour that can show you how much you are wrong about her.

But if you think this is a vague thread,why didi you bodered to answer? I still didnt get it why you keep coming to LL.maybe you liked to be spoken by others, even if its just in the wrong way...oh well by what we all see,you´re the one who might have BIG issues and a BIG KARMA with the Cosmos.

Just an advice: by the way youre acting ( or who are right now) it will be a lont time for you to resolve all that karma issues.

posted June 26, 2007 10:20 AM              

All relationships are karmic. In fact EVERYTHING is karmic. So to try and say 'who's got the karma?' in a specific relationship is pure nonsense.

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posted June 26, 2007 11:38 AM              

We all can have discussions and constructive conversations without doing that.Its not the 1st time this happends and wont be the last.

I guess we all would do better not to take things personal when it matters you MCM.

posted June 26, 2007 11:44 AM              

this drip here is impressed with your guff.

And yet I also do agree, everything is karmic; but what is Karma exactly?
Is there karma between a murder and his victim?
Is it karma, if someone gets killed in an accident?
Is it karma, if someone survives a shooting?
Is it karma, if a man "catches a bullet" for his wife? (I just love this example)
Is it karma, if a man and a woman love each other until both are greyhaired and wrinkled?
Is it Karma, if a child is born mentally handicapped?
Is it karma, if two people love each other, then witness their love die and file for a divorce?
Is it karma, if an orphan is adopted into a loving family?

Yes, I indeed think all of this is karma; but at the same time those situations are different from each other.
Every relationship is different, of course, even though they all may be karmic. And so I think it`s absolutely justified to ask, if there`s a way to describe the particular sort of karma a bit more closely. I don´t know if it`s possible at all, but I understand the wish to know.

DD

posted June 26, 2007 12:08 PM              

Yes,i agree.
Many times we just dont know how to handle certain things/events..and we turn our thoughts into other levels,like asking ourselves why? - the "karma" stuf explains many happenings.
Even if we consider that everything that happen to us is karma, i think we also have free will and is us and the others involved who choose how to deal with that karma energies and stuff.

In my opinion,there´s karmic events more important to us than others; as well as karmic links with persons more intense than others.
All depends on what was " DEALEDw with the higher Forces up there

And so, yes,we can ask ourselves this questions and try to understand them better.

posted June 26, 2007 12:22 PM            

ladies, for Karmic debt look at Saturn, South Node, and the water houses (4,8,12)

posted June 27, 2007 12:25 AM            

"What's the asteroid got to do with it?" The asteroid was the whole point of my question. I'm wondering how to interpret hard aspects it makes.

I had read that in synastry, hard Saturn aspects mean that it's the other person who "owes" the Saturn person, so I'm wondering if there's a similarly uniform way to interpret hard Karma aspects. This is simply a question about aspect interpretation. Perhaps I should've mentioned in the title that I was asking about the asteroid, so that people didn't think that this was a general inquiry about karma.

Since my question repulsed you so much, I realize there's a good chance that you won't even see this reply.

Everyone else - thanks for your replies. Actually, I guess I should thank mcm too for bumping my thread.

I'm undecided about the idea of past lives too. But even w/o believing in that, I think the Karma asteroid has meaning. It could mean that these are your lessons to learn with this person. The hard synastry aspects could mean that these lessons are going to be painful and the easy synastry aspects mean that the lessons will be learned in an enjoyable way.

But what I was specifically wondering about was who plays what role in this process.

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Mars, that's so spot on!

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posted June 27, 2007 07:22 AM              

Even when im sad i still can have a good laugh on reading your posts

It surelly would be funny to see a conversation between you and MCM

posted June 27, 2007 07:46 AM            

I'm not sure which thread it was in, but while looking up some things that IQ had suggested, I did find that the asteroid Karma had major significance.

For example, in my sister's and bro-in-law's synastry, the name asteroid of their first child is directly opposite eachother's karma. It's the first thing you notice when you look at the synastry wheel.

My natal Karma is trine to my guy's natal Karma, but my draconic Karma is conjunct my natal moon. My natal moon is a "hot spot" in our synastry. It squares his stellium of Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Pluto, as well as his Vesta. It would seem that it's my Karma that I need to deal with. IQ said that I have a past life widow soul-contract with him...meaning I lost him in the past before.

"My Karma makes mostly hard aspects with the guy I'm shagging, while his makes mostly easy aspects with my chart. I had read that in synastry, hard Saturn aspects mean that it's the other person who "owes" the Saturn person, so I'm wondering if there's a similarly uniform way to interpret hard Karma aspects."

I just got the Magi software and this falls in line with what they say about Saturn. According to them, the person who is the "Saturn" person has the upper hand in most cases, unless there is a balance. (For example, if my Saturn squares his Mars, his Saturn opposes my moon.) I think they are a little dramatic in their interpretations, but I've been researching the Saturn aspects based on past relationships. It does seem that those I felt or feel a bond with (good or bad) had a pretty predominant Saturn theme.

All of this to say, so far, I've found that Karma definitely links to events/destiny in charts. Saturn bonds us to people we may have unfinished business with.

Not that I can interpret this kind of thing, but what house is Karma in and what other aspects does it form? That will most likely shed some light...

8th

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my draconic Karma is conjunct my natal moon. My natal moon is a "hot spot" in our synastry. It squares his stellium of Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Pluto, as well as his Vesta. It would seem that it's my Karma that I need to deal with. IQ said that I have a past life widow soul-contract with him...

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It's interesting that it's your Draconic Karma that's involved, b/c it's my Draconic Karma too. My Karma forms easy and hard aspects with his chart, but my Dr Karma only forms squares.

Your opinion that with your Dr Karma squares it's you who is learning, is exactly the way I was interpreting Karma squares. t I very much appreciate you offering your experience and view.

posted June 28, 2007 01:57 AM            

No apology though for the actual abuse? Where is the innate nobility and warmth of a Moon in Leo? The one thing I judge a person for--that makes me think of someone as a strong & superior or weak & inferior person--is how he treats others. I had attributed the value I place on being honorable to my Leo Moon, but now I'm not so sure...Maybe you have the ethical code of a Moon in Virgo?

I've met people who behave like you before, so I knew there was no sense in trying to explain how your perceptions were unfair and inaccurate. When smug, condescending people are in the mood to spew their hate, they prefer to see things in the worst possible light. Reality and rationality would just get in the way of their "fun".