posted July 17, 2007 01:20 PM            

have any of you ever experienced someone elses moon or mars in your 12th house? (or any other personal planet?)

Interpreting 12th house synastric overlays seem one big haze to me and although i have done quite a bit of research, there doesnt seem to be too much info out there to give me a firmer grasp on what this overlay signifies.

Interpretations range from 'intuitiv, telpathic connection', to 'hidden enemies' to 'self-undoing' and 'confusion'.

And it's the 'confusion/delusion' bit I've started wondering about....I have this aqua man's gemini moon and mars in my 12th house and the past 10months or so have been a draining roller coaster ride for me. I've had so many mixed signals, my head is spinning...whenever I've just come to the conclusion due to his aloof behaviour on the phone or in emails that he is only interested in friendship, we meet in person and I get the strong intuition it is definitely romantic interst from his side. So I DEFINITELY see his emotions (moon) and actions (mars) as completely confused and so now I AM completely confused whether I'm not just deluding myself and he's just not interested at all.

So my question would be, have you ever had someone elses planets in your 12th house and completely misunderstood their intentions i.e. that for the longest period of time you had this strong intuiton they had romantic feelings for you, but in the end, it turned out, your were completely wrong with this 'intuition' as it was just an illusion!!

posted July 17, 2007 04:02 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted July 17, 2007 04:37 PM              

Someone i love has his Mars and Venus in my 12th house,and i also wonder what does it mean.
what you say about the confusion over his interest, well, i think this one is rather because of that he's Aqua.. and with them you could never know what to expect.And they really want to be friends first, even in a romantic relationship, but if you give him his space and time to progress his feelings, then as time goes you would see the situation clearer.

posted July 17, 2007 05:51 PM            

On the one hand lots of air, particularly in gemini. Which seems to make him quite flirtateous with most women (not with me, there he is always quite reserved and almost shy).But on the other hand, he has venus in capricorn opposite saturn, as well as mercury, ruler of the 7th house opposite saturn. saturn is in his 5th house. And in addition I guess the pisces ascendant and pluto in 7th adds an even more exotic flavour to the mix. Does this sound like someone who has some issues initiating relationships??

But I'm going off in tangents. What I meant to say was, yes, I've been wrecking my brains whether his natal chart might make him extremely contradictory and cautious when he's seriously interested in someone.

But leaving synastry and the other person aside, I was just posing myself these questions about 12th house overlays ,whether they might not actually make you see things that arent there, sort of like wishful thinking. PARTICULARLY because these connections make the 12th house person feel so incredibly intuitive and vulnerable to the planet person. It might just be hard to clearly see that the planet person isnt as strongly affected.

posted July 17, 2007 06:02 PM              

No. 1 (my first great love) had his Venus in my 12 th - I guess he was able to "see through me" in some sort of way, he had the "upper hand", I felt emotionally insecure but also excited, when I was with him. Absolutely no chance to "pretend" anything - he'd get it, right away, he wouldn't let me slip through with that. He seemed to "know" more about me than myself sometimes - and this wasn't always comfortable for me. But: It's the greatest love I have experienced so far.

With No. 2 (a long lasting, marriagelike realtionship), it was the other way around: My Sun, Mars and Mercury in his 12th - and I had the strong feeling that I was the more "evolved" of the two of us. Not always nice. I detected some of his lies (lies to himself and to others) right in the beginning of our thing - I had to learn to "understand and forgive" - and I felt that I became more and more a kind of "mentor" or "teacher" to him - which finally turned out as a burden for me and turned me off. So I left. When we split, he said he'd miss my "guidance".

Experience No.3: I had a very short, but extremely (!) mindopening affair with someone, really: very short. We both had our respective Moons in our 12th. No contact anymore - but it was intense and surprising for both of us, an important point in my life, when this happened.

Experience No.4.: Currently I am oh so enamoured with a guy, the first time for three years that someone "means" something to me. My Venus is in his 12th. So far I can say: I do feel confused about his intentions, constantly. But I can't be really sore with him - and I can't let go.

posted July 17, 2007 06:09 PM            

Our relationship is beyond spiritual, otherworldly, so, so connected, psychic...

We have tried to part ways many times, but can not....

posted July 17, 2007 07:20 PM              

YES...RIGHT NOW I'm going through that!His Chiron is in my 12th.Of course,my Neptune in the 7th doesn't help as far as romantic illusions/delusions afre concerned.I'm totally confused!

posted July 18, 2007 05:44 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted July 19, 2007 11:53 AM              

Well,
My Eros falls on his 12th and his Venus/Amor falls on my 12th house.

like with GLV,and ALvarella,he can see right through me,even if we just talk on the phone he always knows more than me about my own feelings ( its true). I can never be anything else that true to him,cause even if i wanted, i couldnt be in any way sayin or din something untruth to me.
With Eros on his 12th,well,we have a great intimacy together and i suspect that he never was so freely intune with anyone like he is with me.
Maybe cause we have "love asteroids/planets" in each others 12th,makes us very connected phisically and spiritually ,both in a 2 way path.
i feel the confusion at times,but its normal in any relationship ( even more if its in the very first years of the beginning)

posted December 23, 2009 09:34 PM            

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Alvarella777 - Interesting topic! My experience with 12th house-Synastry-placements is: Intensity on a very deep rooted psychological basis.

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I am definitely going to have go ahead and agree with that.

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Alvarella777 - No. 1 (my first great love) had his Venus in my 12 th - I guess he was able to "see through me" in some sort of way, he had the "upper hand", I felt emotionally insecure but also excited, when I was with him. Absolutely no chance to "pretend" anything - he'd get it, right away, he wouldn't let me slip through with that. He seemed to "know" more about me than myself sometimes - and this wasn't always comfortable for me. But: It's the greatest love I have experienced so far.

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I have this experience Right Now, except it is her Sun that is in my 12th house, but all you describe is exactly how it is with her and myself. Wow! If it was the greatest love you've experienced why and how did it end?

I have always thought that it was my Psyche conjunct her Eros causing this psychic connection, but your description does explain part of the experience. Maybe the Psyche conjunction accounts for the external synchronicity then that happens outside of our minds that others can see also.

posted January 16, 2010 04:04 PM            

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Alvarella 777 - With No. 2 (a long lasting, marriagelike realtionship), it was the other way around: My Sun, Mars and Mercury in his 12th - and I had the strong feeling that I was the more "evolved" of the two of us. Not always nice. I detected some of his lies (lies to himself and to others) right in the beginning of our thing - I had to learn to "understand and forgive" - and I felt that I became more and more a kind of "mentor" or "teacher" to him - which finally turned out as a burden for me and turned me off. So I left. When we split, he said he'd miss my "guidance".

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posted March 24, 2010 07:05 PM            

My brother is not a nice person, but his Leo Sun and Scorp rising lets him make people he is. He lies pathologically (he also has Neptune conjunct his Scorp ASC), steals from me and my mom and does all sorts of things behind the family's back. Very manipulative, controlling, secretive. One thing he likes to do is, when he's in trouble and is scared my mom will find out what he's gotten himself into, he starts make mean-spirited jokes about me to mom, and she's a sucker for it every time. So he gets her to sit there and mock me and laugh at me, make me out to be the fool of the family, just to make sure she doesn't get wise to whatever he's done.

He's stolen hundreds of dollars worth of CDs and various other personal things from me, including priceless mementos. He'll give me a gift and then turn around and asked for it back, sometimes because he wants to give it someone else and sometimes because he thinks I don't appreciate the gift enough. And most recently he's gotten into my financial records taking at least a recent credit card statement and bank statement with my account numbers on. In the past he's gotten into my check book and stolen my SSN. And when I've confronted him, he's glib and twist everything around, often throwing things he's dug up about me in my face like "Well, wait until mom finds out how much you've spending on your credit cards."

I find his influence over me very confusing and it just strips me of any power. I basically feel like all my life he's been psychologically abusing me and I can't get away from him.

posted March 28, 2010 04:53 PM            

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But I loath my brother and I'm ashamed to be his sister.

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Totally get that feeling from my roommate. I am ashamed that my husband is even his friend. He steals, lies, took sexual advantage of one of my long time and dear friends, and then puts on a pretty face for the world. Such a sicko.

My roommate has a MASSIVE stellum in my 12th as well. He is so beguiling to everyone else though! (Except his own mother, she has the same house placements I do and can see through his filthy sweet exterior as well.)

His very presence makes my skin seethe with rage.

On a more pleasant note, I have had a positive experience with the 12th house and one of my friends. My Leo stellium is in her 12th and everything something bad happens, I feel it right to my core. From all the dream-sharing and telepathic messages we've had back and forth throughout our lives, we have concluded that the feeling is mutual. In fact, looking at asteroids, nothing else that I can see shows us having this type of connection. I am going to look at our synastry again just to be sure that I didn't miss anything. (Virgo here...gotta double, no, triple check. lol!)

Man, I miss her. I was supposed to go and visit her today, but my car was acting up. I need to junk my car but I don't have any $$ for a new one. /sigh. life!

posted April 03, 2010 09:05 PM            

HIS SUN IN HER 12TH HOUSE

Even if you have been together for many years, HE will continue to be intriguing and somewhat mysterious to HER. You have a knack for uncovering each other's hidden or repressed traits, and there is a deep, mysterious, perhaps even mystical quality to your relationship. SHE views HIM as
someone to share with on a very personal level, and looks to HIM for support. You may value your private time together more than anything else in the relationship, finding greatest rewards in these moments. You may also feel protective of one another and prefer to keep many elements of your
partnership private from the rest of the world. HE has a profound impact on HER, and should be aware of this fact. HE pulls up many desires and some confusion of boundaries in HER, and SHE may be very sensitive to HIS actions. HE may have the "upper hand" in the relationship, or
be viewed as the stronger of the two.

HIS Mercury in HER 12th house:

HE loves to probe into HER psyche, taking a sincere interest in HER inner workings,
dreams, and subconscious. At times, you may find each other's conversation, interests, and ways of looking at things a tad perplexing. Sometimes, HE wants HER to verbalize things that SHE feels should remain unspoken. HE may suffer from HER "errors of omission" -those things that
are left unsaid. HE may lack trust that SHE will be forthcoming and straightforward, as HE may find HER somewhat elusive. Communication problems or misunderstandings are very possible with this placement. However, with time and understanding, you can develop a very intimate mental rapport, as SHE may enjoy the ability to talk with HIM about some of the most private things that otherwise would be left unsaid, finding HIM to be a supportive and enthusiastic audience.

HIS Mars in HER 12th house:

posted April 03, 2010 09:31 PM            

HER Neptune in HIS 12th house:

posted April 11, 2010 03:23 AM            

His Pluto falls in my 8th house. I think I am obsessed.

posted April 12, 2010 11:56 AM            

my ascendant in his 12th...?