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annaf
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posted July 23, 2007 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there, just wanted to check with all the synastry specialists here how you read someone elses planets in conjunction with the ruler of your 7th house?

For instance someone has their venus conjunct (let's say)your moon with moon being the ruler of your 7th house. I would actually read this kind of conjunction to the 7th house ruler as if their venus falls in my 7th house? Would you agree, with my take on conjunctions to the 7th house ruler, or do you think this is not as strong as a planet actually falling in the 7th house?

Would really be grateful for your help in understanding this. To be honest I havent actually seen anything in books about aspects to the rulers of houses in synastry, so I'm really keen to find out as much as possible. If you dont know anything in terms of 'text book' interpretations, as always, I'm even more happy to learn about people's experience!! Many thanks

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posted July 24, 2007 12:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Virgo I was previously involved w/ had his Mercury exactly copnjunct my Jupiter(my Desc.Ruler).I think this is why we talked so much and found conversation easy.Plus Mercury is my chart ruler and his Sun sign Ruler,so that may have helped a bit too.

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posted July 24, 2007 01:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`d definitely count aspects to the ruler of ASC and DESC as VERY strong. I even look to the ruler of some other houses in relationships, like 5th, 8th and 12th.
There`s almost nothing more unique and individual than an aspect to house-rulers.

For example:

I have my Venus conjunct someone`s Sun. Nice aspect, agreed. But everyone born on the 28th or 29th december of any year will have their sun conjunct my Venus.
I think it might be even more important to see what houses are ruled by Sun and Venus; in my case Venus is the ruler of 5th house, in his case Sun is co-ruler of 8th house. So, under the charming face of a Sun-Venus-conjunction, there comes a connection between 5th and 8th house, which at times could actually almost feel like a conjunction of Sun (5th house) and Pluto (8th house). ).
it will be definitely different from someone who has Sun as ruler of the 6th house for instance.
And the fact that Venus rules my 5th house means, that aspects to my Venus always trigger my "romantic bone", maybe even more so than usually, even though I admit Venus is romantic per se.


But another example: I have Mercury as ruler of the 7th house, and aspects to my Mercury have always felt more romantic and had a stronger impact on me than they should have, seeing that Mercury is a very unromantic planet.


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posted July 24, 2007 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with darkdreamer, often when looking at synastry, I look for aspects to the house ruler..


Such as the 1st house ruler (most personal), 5th house ruler for romance and general attraction, 7th for relationships, etc.

My AC is conjunct my boyfriend's 1st house ruler, Venus.

My Sun is conjunct his 7th house ruler, Mars.

My Mercury is conjunct his 4th house ruler, Saturn

My Mars is conjunct his 10th house ruler, the Moon.

My MC is exactly conj. his AC ...which only adds to the prominence.


Notice all the angle contacts within his chart, making me someone of prime importance in his life. When naturally, our charts are so different...many textbook astrologers would say we'd never, ever work.

Planetary aspects aren't enough for me. They're not specific enough because odds are many other people are going to share the same synastry with you as your best friend. Because you best friend isn't the ONLY one born on that day...

House cusps make it more personal...especially if you calculate midpoints from them as well..


Angular houses and their rulers are definitely important....for romance, 4th, 5th, and 7th ruler aspects.


I have a Gemini DC with Mercury in 12th, making it hard for me to settle down (mentally at least). My boyfriend's Saturn is conjunct my Mercury....stabilizing, and "Saturnizing" if you will, my sense of relationships

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posted July 24, 2007 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, thanks so much for responding!!! I already had given up hope that anyone would share their experience with me. So I’m even more glad to hear that you agree, there is quite a bit of evidence from your experience that strong aspects in synastry to the house rulers are of great importance. Just don’t get why this isn’t really more of a topic in synastry books. In my own experience with the aqua I’m really starting to think it’s the connections to the house rulers which create the big fascination (at least from my point of view). Because their aren’t too many classic romantic synastry aspects between us. And I have a close aqua friend born the same day as him (not the same year though), also with a strong pisces influence, but with him it’s just warm friendship, nothing else. And although I have lots of aqua friends, I don’t ever seem to have been romantically attracted to an aqua before. But in terms of aspects to house rulers, there seems to be something to it :

The ruler of my AC is conjunct his DC
The ruler of his AC is conjunct my mars
His AC conjunct my MC
The ruler of his 4th mercury conjunct the ruler of my 4th house mercury
The ruler of his 5th house moon is opposite my mars
The ruler of his 7th house mercury conjunct the ruler of my 5th house venus
The ruler of my 7th and 8th house saturn opposite the ruler of his 8th house venus
The ruler of his 8th house venus conjunct the ruler of my 4th house mercury
The ruler of his 8th house venus conjunct my DC

What do you think, do you think these are strong romantic house connections, because otherwise we really don’t have the classic romantic venus-mars connections in synastry? And so I just wonder why I’m so insanely drawn to this man. Really grateful for any further thoughts and comments!!

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posted July 25, 2007 05:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Annaf,

wow! You have some really strong connections here!

The ruler of your AC conjunct his DC is a very important aspect. In that book I`m reading, the author quotes a "marriage-rule"; that means that following aspects are needed for a marriage to occur.
"The ruler of one Ascendant or Descendant must be conjunct the horizon (AC or DC) of the other one; or, two of the four rulers of both horizons must be conjunct, in any combination; or, either ruler, from the other nativity, of ones horizon must be conjunct ones Ascendant or Descendant".

So you definitely fall into this category. Congratulations!


His AC conjunct your MC:
That is a classical cross-connection, too. Many couples have that; I guess it means that you have a deeper understanding of each other.
It means that your goals in life, (I don`t really have a firm grasp on interpreting the MC) resonate with his instinctual being.
I guess that brings a very deep understanding of each other core-personality.


"The ruler of his 4th mercury conjunct the ruler of my 4th house mercury"
The ruler of 4th in conjunct seems to imply an emotional familiarity. Like you`re very similiar deep inside, no matter how different you may seem on the outside.
And you wouldn`t really expect a Mercury-Mercury-conjunction bring emotional understanding and attraction, would you?


"The ruler of his 5th house moon is opposite my mars"
Look deliciously hot!


"The ruler of his 7th house mercury conjunct the ruler of my 5th house venus"
I think that is a bit like a Venus-Sun-conjunction. The two classical houses of love-relationships connected to each other, very charming and enticing and joyful. WEll, if they are not afflicted that is.


"The ruler of my 7th and 8th house saturn opposite the ruler of his 8th house venus"
Certainly a passionate one here.
I myself tend to fall for guys who have 8th-house-ruler-connections to me. My own, Moon, is unaspected, maybe that is why I seek those connections so much.
The 8th house is a very deep, intense and passionate one, but sometimes it gets too much, too difficult to handle the intensity of 8th house connections.
Well, for me that is, because I have a Sagittarius-stellium and Aquarius-Moon (beside Venus in Cappy square Pluto, and the ruler of 2 and 8 in mutual reception; and retro Saturn in Cancer in 8); I tend to try to avoid too much intensity (even though I seek it desperately).
But as far as I see you have a Cancer-ascendant (right?), so maybe you embrace this intensity more easily.


"The ruler of his 8th house venus conjunct the ruler of my 4th house mercury"
I`d translate that to a Pluto-Moon-conjunction, which brings even more emotions and intensity.


"The ruler of his 8th house venus conjunct my DC"
that emphasizes the theme, as you already have his ruler of 8th house opposite your DC-ruler. This is like having Venus-Pluto-all over.


I`d also look for double whammies via houserulers, which are not so easy to see with only the planets.
For example:
A former crush of mine and me share:
His Pluto square my SN
My Moon conjunct his SN

Even though that is already intense, it becomes more interesting, if you know that Pluto is his 8th house ruler and Moon is my 8th house ruler.


Or with sm-actor there are some almost scary 8th house-connections.
The ruler of his 8th house conjuncts my 1st house ruler and squares my ASC.
The ruler of my 8th house opposes his 1st house ruler and conjuncts his ASC.
That is like having very much Mars-Pluto. NOt that we need even more Mars-Pluto, since we already have an exact Mars-Pluto-square.


Also, I`d look to solstice-conjunctions and oppositions. They are like "hidden conjunctions", they create a connection, that is not understandable otherwise.
Solstice - conjuncts are planets which have the same distance from the Capricorn - Cancer-axis.
For example: My natal ASC is 7° Sagittarius, so 23° Capricorn is solstice-conjunct this natal ASC, because both positions have a distance of 23° to 0° Capricorn; a planet on 23° Cancer would be solstice-opposition to my natal ASC.
I never understood why I always felt so attracted to men with planets around 23° Capricorn - Cancer, before I learned of the solstice-points.
But I would keep the orb very tight, max. 2°.
Also, my parents have been married for over 30 years now, so you would think, the mentioned marriage-rule would apply to them. But it doesn`t. No conjunctions between horizons-ruler and horizon.
But my mother`s 7th-house ruler is solstice-conjunct my father`s ASC.

DD

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posted July 26, 2007 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darkdreamer,

Thank you so much for your super detailed feedback!!! It’s been extremely helpful to get your interpretations of the different house ruler aspects! Now I have a much better idea of the ‘flavour’ of these aspects.

I still had overlooked that the ruler of my 5th house venus is also conjunct the ruler of his 8th house. So by your examples of interpreting I would read this as a sun-pluto aspect. And I also overlooked that the ruler of my 4th house mercury is conjunct the ruler of his DC – so I guess this is probably like a moon-venus aspect.…

But if these connections with the other person’s 8th house ruler could be compared to a Pluto aspect, would that make me the more obsessed person (compared to him), considering that it’s largly his 8th house ruler inolved? Because I think I read somewhere it’s the inner planet person that is particularly affected by Pluto.

‘Or with sm-actor there are some almost scary 8th house-connections.
The ruler of his 8th house conjuncts my 1st house ruler and squares my ASC.
The ruler of my 8th house opposes his 1st house ruler and conjuncts his ASC.
That is like having very much Mars-Pluto. NOt that we need even more Mars-Pluto, since we already have an exact Mars-Pluto-square.’

You also seem to have quite a bit of Pluto energy going on there, judging by the examples you’ve given. Do you feel it’s an equally balanced ‘obsession’ or is one person more affected?

‘But as far as I see you have a Cancer-ascendant (right?), so maybe you embrace this intensity more easily.’
Yes, you’re right I’m a cancer ascendant! But I also have a wide moon-pluto conjunction and a 4th house Pluto. So yes, definitely, I do need intensity..

And also many thanks for giving me the great advice to check out solstice conjunctions, I had never used them before, but they’ve certainly been an eye-opener in this respect!!
My ascendant is solstice-conjunct his moon and mars
My IC is solstice-opposite his Jupiter (which is in his 1st house)
My DC is exactly solstice-conjunct his sun
The ruler of my dc is sols-conjunct his mars
So no wonder I cant help myself…..

On his side I didn’t find that many varied connections:
His IC is sols.-conjunct my ascendant
His IC sols-opposite my sun
His 5th house is solst-opposite my mars
Ruler of his 5th house is sols.-conjunct my ascendant , and opposite my sun

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posted July 27, 2007 07:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Annaf,

I`m glad I could help a little bit.

"So by your examples of interpreting I would read this as a sun-pluto aspect."
Yes, but always connected with the relationship, because the 5th and 8th house are relationship-houses.
you know, Sun-Pluto can also mean internal powerstruggles; but I wouldn`t think this is so much in the centre here. I`d think the ruler of 5 and 8 in conjunction would indicate a very passionate, sometimes maybe posessive and jealous relationship.
The house of romance and affairs connected to the house of sex and transformations. Hmm, sounds really hot.

"And I also overlooked that the ruler of my 4th house mercury is conjunct the ruler of his DC – so I guess this is probably like a moon-venus aspect.…"
I`d say so, yes. The emotional core (4th house) is connected to the relationship needs (DC).


"But if these connections with the other person’s 8th house ruler could be compared to a Pluto aspect, would that make me the more obsessed person (compared to him), considering that it’s largly his 8th house ruler inolved? Because I think I read somewhere it’s the inner planet person that is particularly affected by Pluto."
Yes, I read that , too. I`m unsure about that. But I tend to think that you react to the energy that is awoken inside of you. So, if someone touches your 8th house, your 8th house is triggered, and with it all the passion, depth, intensity, jealousy you can feel. So I`d actually think the house person would react more strongly passionate. But I can be wrong. But of côurse his passion would influence your view on him, and if you are yourself a passionate person, then you might reciprocate this passion and intensity, so that it becomes hard to tell who had started feeling passionate about the other one.


"You also seem to have quite a bit of Pluto energy going on there, judging by the examples you’ve given. Do you feel it’s an equally balanced ‘obsession’ or is one person more affected?"
You can bet, there is. However, since he is a celebrity and I have never met him, it is definitely unbalanced. But just judging from the aspects, I´d say we`d both be equally affected. Just astrologically speaking.
If I look further I think the natal horoscopes are important, too, so someone who cannot deal with intensity natally, would be maybe scared away by a too strong triggering of his 8th house.
In the case with the sm-actor, things would be balanced even natally.
Because I have Venus square Pluto, Pluto on MC and he has a Scorpio- Moon in the 8th house. So we are both in tune with this kind of intensity. I think it`s always important to see if the synastric connections resonate with the natals.
Like for example: Let`s say I meet a man with a Moon in Scorpio conjunct my Uranus.
Now, let`s say this guy is all Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces with a bit of Virgo and Taurus.
I myself have a Moon in Aquarius, I would probably love the Moon-Uranus-conjunction, so much excitement, wonderful!
But what about him? All his Scorpio and Taurus-energy would feel very uneasy with such an unpredictable exchange, so I guess he wouldn`t be really "turned on". Maybe that explains one sided attraction to a certain degree?

"but they’ve certainly been an eye-opener in this respect!!"
Yes, I found that, too.

And yoiu have really strong solstice-connections.

DD

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posted July 30, 2007 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darkdreamer,

shame he is an actor and not a 'real person' i.e. where you could act on these icredable synastry links and at least explore it further...but having said that, sometimes, as with the aqua I#m referring to, even with 'real people' the brick wall can be so thick and high, unfortunately it doesnt matter whether they live in the same city or not. Attraction or not, the fear factor to let down the defences is so great, they could just as well live in a different galaxy! Oh well :-)

I definitely agree with you that a lot depends on the natal chart...pluto feels right to me, but might not be the case with him. Uranus links are more of a problem area for me. Although I love aquas (men as well as women) and have lots of aqua friends (my uranus is in the 5th house), uranus isnt a prominent planet in my natal chart. Which might be the reason why I've noticed that I react very jittery if someone's uranus forms lots of strong links to my personal planets. Not a feel good factor at all for me! It's as if I#m constantly on edge when I#m around them.

And finally, sorry can I just double check your opinion on my initial questions....my venus is conjunct the aqua's 7th house ruler mercury...do you think this could be interepreted as if my venus falls in his 7th house?? Or do you think the conjunction to the ruler of the 7th house isnt quite as strong as the 7th house overlay? Venus is my obsession so to speak :-)

Many, many thanks!!!

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I'll add my questions too in case somebody knows the answer to them.

1) What does it mean if rulers of 1st house conjunct in synastry? Or rulers of 7th house? Would you say this is great for romantic synastry or not so important (better for friendships)?

2) Aspects between rulers are what we're looking for. What about planets in the houses? Would you count for example a Venus in 5th house (natal) conjunct partner's Mars (ruler of his 7th house) as 5+7 connection? Is it as significant as ruler of 5th house conjunct ruler of 7th house?

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posted January 18, 2017 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could a moderator please move this to Interpersonal Astrology? Thank you

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