posted July 28, 2007 08:44 PM            

Until today when it made me just as miserable...now pardon my Scorpio moon conj Pluto for this but he also has the SAME aspect with his ex girlfriend (who is only a few weeks older than me). Does that mean she is his soulmate too? And does it mean he has more than one soulmate? And in that case what the heck!!!! LOL im sorry for being jealous over nothing but I am more than a little annoyed here. I would love for someone to explain more to me, sadly I cannot ask the great Linda for a follow up. Really getting to me right now. I know i think into things too much, I really do...thanks for all the help guys!

posted July 28, 2007 09:44 PM              

yay! I get to share....
http://temple-of-wisdom.net/soulmates.html

posted July 28, 2007 09:53 PM              

here's a POem, I wrote...

lotusheartone
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posted July 25, 2007 08:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone Edit/Delete Message The Cabin in the Woods, of past, present,
and future..is/was ours to nurture..
a responsiblity, a promise for tomorrow
and no more sorrow,
we left in sadness from that wonderland..
bound by karma to travel the land,
for the first generation, of the split in two,
knew, the pieces were scattered to and fro..
magic power used by ego, soured the mix,
mercury tricks, remember Loki? hehe
Brew this, matter-scatter, pitter-patter
like raindrops,
or winter snowflakes, in their own matrix,
crystal formations, lead to transformation,
sea salt, hits the spot, born from water,
made for Earth..Heart
heart to heart, the 2 beat as 1
then each has won..
I'm babbling, brook
through the enchanted forest..

sorry, this happens sometimes
my Mind becomes a river
flowing forth, to uncover
discover
the mystery of Life=File
crazy style
crazy daisy
now a Lotus
brought up through the murky mud
to the Top!
Can't stop!
Can't go
on hold, oh no
we need our Other Half
lock and key
the marriage, sacred
blessed be..
we're all One
for ALL, ALL for
Won!

posted July 28, 2007 10:00 PM            

I had with my Ex double Vertex-AC conjuction. We couldnt miss each other and I can say I learned something...Dunno only one thing...why is double one.

posted July 28, 2007 11:23 PM            

Lotus - thats absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that, honestly

Kindjali - His Vertex Squares my sun and my Saturn and my vertex trines his moon.

His north node opposes my moon and trines my Uranus, my north node square his Venus, trines his Saturn and squares his Uranus...im getting sad just reading this. Which asteroids would you advise I look at for karma? I'm very bad at understanding them.

posted July 29, 2007 01:16 AM              

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I know it isn't set in stone but thats the thing...im starting to learn that just wishing really hard for something doesn't make it happen, and yet I wish it did...i wish i could honestly say that all my hard work and self improvements trully help and then in the end im a happier and better person but all it does it basically provide me with more and harder tests in life and im oh so tired...and its a bit early to be tired of life at 20 and all...So i was wondering why is it I want something so badly (and even if its not the best thing for me) why can't i get it just because anyways...because it will give me peace of mind? Why not...i mean i try...

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Yes, a lot of us are feeling that way, or feel that way sometimes, but if it was that easy then what fun would that be?
I just really wish people WILL find what completes them in the end, and not the end when you can't enjoy anymore but at some point in life. I sometimes feel is all just a big tease.

posted July 29, 2007 06:14 AM            

Same thing, double whammy, lasted 6 months.

What was "effect" on you? What is now?

posted July 29, 2007 03:32 PM            

Nightjar- I am aware that to assume that everyone with that aspect as soulmates is crazy but the reason I got upset is because I only accounted for significant relationships. My bf only had two significant relationships (everything else was eh) and both those relationships have that aspect. Thats why I got upset.

posted July 29, 2007 06:36 PM            

"When your Moon conjuncts your partner's South Node, the attraction is instant. You immediately feel safe, secure, and comfortable in each other's presence. Intuitively, you sense similarity in each other's emotional reactions to the world, and in your mutual needs for security. At some point in time, the South Node person may get a sense that the Moon person is holding him or her back in some way. There is much safety and comfort in the relationship, and the emotional bond is tremendous, but the bond doesn't carry with it a sense of moving forward. In fact, you may tend to cocoon yourselves and fall back on familiar routines rather than take on new adventures together. You may have such an effect on each other as to exaggerate each other's mood swings and desire for safety. If anyone of the two "outgrows" the relationship, it will more than likely be the South Node person. However, the attachment is great and there will be a feeling of emotional indebtedness to each other, particularly on the part of the South Node person. There is a great deal of sympathy between the two of you, and these feelings come naturally."

But again, I would agree with what Nightjar said about not reading too much into one single aspect. I would say that you definitely have a strong connection based on the Node/Luminary connection. All of the most intense and 'fated' relationships I have ever experienced have been with people whose NN or SN conjuncted my Sun or Moon or vice versa.

I do understand you feeling stressed about this since I tend to react the same way about this stuff. Just try to keep it in perspective and recognize that whatever comes out of it will be a lot of good personal growth and transformation.

posted July 29, 2007 06:53 PM              

You have Moon conjunct SN, Venus trine Pluto and Sun conjunct Saturn;
or you have Venus conjunct NN, Sun conjunct Sun-Moon-mp or Vertex and Sun conjunct IC
these might give a hint that you indeed could be soulmates (even though like Stephen Forrest once said: Soulmates often kill each other; so it doesn`t mean easy, like we all know I guess).

Also, I would look to houseplacements of the planets and the aspects of their rulers, especiall of the 4th, 8th and 12th house.
A conjunction of the ruler of the 7th house with the ruler of the 8th house means a lot in my book, because the houses change so quickly, so it`s all pretty individual.
Also, a Venus-Pluto-trine which completes a Grand trine with Sun or Moon or Mars or Venus, which also falls into water houses or the 1st, 5th or 7th house, would play a bigger role in a relationship, than an isolated Venus-Pluto-trine from the 11th to the 3rd house.

Just my 2 cents.

posted July 29, 2007 07:45 PM            

Darkdreamer - "Soulmates often kill each other;"

I had no idea!!! I had this strong feeling for a long time that we killed each other in past life...it was really strong too...i did a past life report and it strongly hinted that i was some kind of religious inquisitor/crusader...makes sense to me...wow

His Sun and Hades fall into my 8th house. My Asc, Moon and Pluto fall into his 8th house. His mars falls into my 4th. My Sun, Chiron, Vulcan and Vesta falls into his 4th basically conjunct the IC. Nothing in either 12th house.

The ruler of my 12th falls into his 5th, the ruler of his 12th is in my 10th. The ruler of my 8th is in his 3rd, the ruler of his 8th is in my 9th.

OMG the ruler of my 8th (Venus) is conjunct the ruler of his 7th (sun)!!! WOW! You are soo awesome, i never looked at that stuff!

DD thank you SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted July 30, 2007 04:35 AM              

you`re welcome. Glad I could help.

I think more and more that ruler-aspects are too underestimated. I find very valuable informations through them, sometimes, so much, that it almost hurts.
But the problem is, if oyu don`t have the birthtime, you cannot do that. However, I feel there is missing an important piece, if we leave them out.

Regarding your houseplacements you guys surely have a very deep, transformative, yet also challenging connection.
The luminaries in each other`s 8th house - oh wow! There is surely a lot intensity here. But the 8th house is also the house of death and rebirth, pure transformation. It bears resemblance to Pluto, and we all know how much Pluto can shake our lives through, until nothing is as it has been before.
Sun conjunct IC is a placement I have seen in relationships, where the partners have been extremely close. Those haven`t necessarily been easy relationships, no way, but there`s a strong sense of belonging to each other or at least it feels as if one knows the other on a very deep level. The Sun-person often acts out what the IC-person feels inside. Maybe the Sun-person is even a personification (Sun) of the house person inner needs (IC). But of course the house person must be strong and brave enough to let someone under their skin and touch their inner core. It`s not easy, but very deep.
oh yeah, the ruler of 8th house and of 7th house in conjunct under the disguise of a beautiful Sun-Venus-conjunction. *sighs* That sounds so awesome! WEll, maybe intense is the right word here. Very intense love. You can almost read it as a Venus-Pluto-conjunction.

Regarding killing each other, I once had a vision, a halfdream, in which I saw that music-man and me are actually connected through death due to a forbidden love in a previous life(well, what an irony! His longterm partner and my first musical crush played "Death" in a play).
WEll, I thought the memory of this sufficed to resolve this tangled web of my fascination with him. But it seems our debts aren`t completely payed. *sighs* Maybe that cannot be expected with the mass of SAturn-aspects we have.

His Saturn square my Sun / MErcury
His Saturn solstice conjunct my IC
His Saturn solstice oposite my Pluto
His Saturn trine my Vertex, Eros and VAlentine.
His Saturn is also conjunct to my draconic Mars, Amor, ASC.
My Saturn widely opposite his Venus.
My Saturn solstice opposite his MErcury.
My Saturn sextile his NN.
My Saturn widely square his VAlentine.

And with all those water-houses involved:
his Moon, VAlentine and ASC in my 4th house
My Saturn, Eros and Vertex in his 4th house
His Karma and Jupiter in my 8th house
My Mars, Amor, VAlentine, NN, ASC, Neptune in his 8th house.
His Neptune conjunct my 12th cusp.
My chartruler probably falls into his 12th house, too. *sighs*

Also, house-ruler-aspects are very enlightening.

His 4th house ruler trine my 7th house-ruler.
My 4th house ruler sextile his 1st and 8th house ruler.
My 4th house ruler trine his 12th house ruler

His 8th house ruler (new) squares my 7th house ruler. (we also have a Venus-Pluto-square)
His 8th house ruler (new) solstice conjunct my 12th house ruler.
His 8th house ruler (old) exactly conjunct my 12th house ruler.
His 8th house ruler (old) square my 5th house ruler.
His 8th house ruler (old) exactly sextile my NN.
His 8th house ruler (old) sextile my ASC.
His 8th house ruler (old) conjuncts my MC.
My 8th house ruler squares and solstice conjunct his SN.
His 12th house ruler (old) trines my ASC.
HIs 12th house ruler (old) trines my IC.
My 12th house ruler (new) squares his 7th house ruler.
My 12th house ruler (new) conjuncts his 1st house ruler and his 8th house ruler.
My 12th house ruler (old) trines his 12th house ruler (old).

There are also some odd connections of our 3rd house rulers, like
the ruler of his 3rd house:
sextile my 8th house ruler
conjunct my NN
square my 1st house ruler
square my old intercepted 3rd house ruler
conjunct my new intercepted 3rd house ruler
solstice opposite my old 3rd house ruler.
exactly opposite my Karma

The ruler of my 3rd house:
Uranus (Aquarius is on the cusp):
opposite his 4th house ruler, Moon
sextile his 5th house ruler, Sun
square his old 12th house ruler, Jupiter
squares his Karma

Saturn (old ruler of Aquarius):
solstice opposite his 3rd house ruler, Mercury
widely opposite his 7th house ruler, Venus
sextile his NN
widely sextile his 8th house ruler, Pluto

Neptune (new ruler of intercepted Pisces):
conjunct his 3rd house ruler, Mercury
sextile his 1s house ruler, Mars
sextile his 8th house ruler, Mars

Jupiter (new ruler of intercepted Pisces):
square his 3rd house ruler, Mercury
exactly sextile his 7th house ruler, Venus (jupiter is also my chartruler, therefore we also have my 1st house ruler sextile his 7th house ruler, and it is the most exact aspect between our charts, apart from an Eros-Venus-conjunction).
sextile his NN

WE also have:
My Karma in his 3rd house in Gemini closely conjunct his Draconic Karma (it falls into my 7th house!)
His Karma is in my 8th house in Leo (it falls into his 4th or 5th house)
His NN falls into my 5th house, my NN falls into his 8th house
the ruler of his 3rd house, Mercury, falls into my 1st house
the ruler of my 3rd house, Uranus-main ruler, falls into his 7th house
the ruler of my 3rd house, Saturn, falls into his 4t house
the ruler of my 3rd house, Neptune, falls into his 8th house
the ruler of my 3rd house, Jupiter, falls into his 12th house

The ruler of my 4th house, Mars, falls into his 8th house
the ruler of his 4th house, Moon, falls into my 4th house
the ruler of my 8th house, Moon, falls into his 11th or 12th house
the ruler of his 8th, house, Pluto, falls into my 9th house
the ruler of his 8th house, Mars, falls into my 10th house
the ruler of my 12th house, Pluto, falls into his 7th house
the ruler of my 12th house, Mars, falls into his 8th house
the ruler of his 12th house, Neptune, falls into my 12th house
the ruler of his 12th house, Jupiter, falls into my 8th house (and exactly conjuncts his own Karma)

the ruler of his 1st house, Mars, falls into my 10th house
the ruler of my 1st house, Jupiter, falls into his 12th house
the ruler of his 7th house, Venus, falls into my 1st house
the ruler of my 7th house, Mercury, falls into his 9th house
the ruler of his 5th house, Sun, falls into my 1st house
the ruler of my 5th house, Venus, falls into his 9th house
(and the 9th is the complimentary house to the 3rd house!)

Oh, I almost forgot, his Sun is conjunct my Sun-Mercury-conjunction on the Galactic-centre (and just now conjuncted by transiting Pluto, ruler of my 11th and 12th house btw)
That means, his 5th house ruler, Sun, is conjunct my 9th house ruler, Sun,
and also his 5th house ruler, Sun, is conjunct my 7th house ruler, Mercury.
HIs sun is also widely conjunct my Venus, which means, our 5th houses are conjunct.

I know, a lot of aspects. But to me it seems as if a theme sticks clearly out, like waving a glaring flag! Hello!
But maybe I just see this, because it exactly describes the vision, which was very painful btw, I`ve had of him last year.
What would you say, what theme it is? What have we been for each other in a past life, and what happened?
Can someone see that? I mean, of course I don`t really know what happened, but maybe someone could guess the theme of my vision just looking at those aspects?

I`m curious, if anyone else but me can see this theme.

DD

posted July 30, 2007 05:52 AM              

His Saturn square my Mercury
My Saturn solstice opposite his MErcury

His Saturn square my 7th house ruler
My Saturn widely opposite his 7th house ruler

My Saturn solstice opposite his 3rd house ruler

HIs Saturn trine my Valentine.
My Saturn widely square his Valentine

His Karma in my 8th house
My NN in his 8th house (I feel Karma and NN may be similiar)

My 4th house ruler trine his 12th house ruler
My IC trines his 12th house ruler.

His 8th house ruler (new) squares my 7th house ruler. (we also have a Venus-Pluto-square)
His 8th house ruler trines my DC

His 8th house ruler (new) solstice conjunct my 12th house ruler.
His 8th house ruler (old) exactly conjunct my 12th house ruler.
My 8th house ruler falls into his 12th house
My 12th house ruler falls into his 8th house
HIs 12th house ruler falls into my 8th house

His 8th house ruler (old) exactly sextile my NN.
My 8th house ruler squares and solstice conjuncts his SN.
His Karma falls into my 8th house.
My NN falls into his 8th house.

His 12th house ruler (old) trines my ASC
My 12th house ruler conjuncts his 1st house ruler.
My 1st house ruler falls into his 12th house.

HIs 12th house ruler sextiles my DC.
My 12th house ruler (new) squares his 7th house ruler.
My 12th house ruler falls into his 7th house.

My 12th house (old) trines his 12th house ruler (old).
rulerthe ruler of his 12th house, Neptune, falls into my 12th house

the ruler of his 3rd house sextile my 8th house ruler
the ruler of my 3rd house sextile his 8th house ruler
the ruler of my 3rd house sextile his new 8th house ruler
My 3rd house ruler falls into his 8th house

The ruler of his 3rd house conjunct my NN
the ruler of my 3rd house sextile his NN
the intercepted ruler of my 3rd house sextile his NN
My Karma in his 3rd house
The ruler of my 3rd house squares his Karma
the ruler of his 3rd house opposite my Karma

His 3rd house ruler square my 1st house ruler
My 3rd house ruler sextile his 1st house ruler
His 3rd house ruler in my 1st house

His 3rd house ruler:
square my old intercepted 3rd house ruler
conjunct my new intercepted 3rd house ruler
solstice opposite my old 3rd house ruler.

The ruler of my 3rd house opposite his 4th house ruler
The ruler of my 3rd house falls into his 4th house

My 3rd house ruler square his old 12th house ruler, Jupiter
The ruler of my 3rd house flals into his 12th house

My 3rd house ruler widely opposite his 7th house ruler, Venus
My intercepted 3rd house ruler exactly sextile his 7th house ruler, Venus
My 3rd house ruler falls into his 7th house

the ruler of his 7th house falls into my 1st house
the ruler of his 7th house sextiles the ruler of my 1st house

HIs 5th house ruler conjuncts my 7th house ruler
his Sun conjuncts my Venus
WE also have his Sun conjunct my Sun-Venus-mp and my Venus conjunct his Sun-Venus-mp.

Oh and since he is an artist, I thought I`d give the 5th house-aspects a look.

His 5th house ruler:
conjunct my Sun
conjunct my Mercury
conjunct my Venus
sextile my Uranus
conjunct my 7th house ruler
conjunct my 5th house ruler

My 5th house ruler:
conjuncts his Sun
conjuncts his Venus
square his Mars
conjunct his Eros
conjuncts his 5th house ruler
square his 8th house ruler
square his 1st house ruler
conjuncts his 7th house ruler

DD

posted July 30, 2007 07:58 PM            

I find it so amazing that you say a Venus Pluto conjunction because as i found out last week the day when i realised i really do love him and want to be with him is the day of the exact conjunction of Venus and Pluto in Sagittarius on Oct 28, 2005. How insane.

One funny thing about us is that we say the same things at the same time...and not because we know each other but because we think so alike. Andr i always know when he will call me/im me...its almost scary....i think it was the Neptune opposing Venus aspect that did that.

Yea we also have a Saturn/Venus opposition...maybe thats the aspect of past life murder or something. Interesting.

It seems like you guys have sooo many instense aspects. Im not very familiar with asteroids but the 8th house seems so prominent. Thats very interesting. I wonder if anyone knows more about it, definately interested in getting more info. Is there a lot of sense of familiarity between you guys, like you felt something before? I have that a lot with my bf, but not my ex...a lot of thins about my bf is deja vu and he always claims he feels deja vu around me, almost impossibly intense.

posted July 30, 2007 08:01 PM            

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His 5th house ruler:
conjunct my Sun
conjunct my Mercury
conjunct my Venus
sextile my Uranus
conjunct my 7th house ruler
conjunct my 5th house ruler

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