posted August 03, 2007 03:16 PM            

I have found so far, through my direct experience, that the astrological theory of important events occuring exactly 3 months prior to the date of one's coming Solar Return are very real. I am assuming that they set the tone for the coming year/SR.

In my case, my former boyfriend and I, three months (to the day) prior to my Solar Return, broke up. We got back together but ended things again a couple months later just before my birthday.

Without realizing it, I went to his house this week to help bring some closure for both of us and I have only just realized that our 'officiallly' ending things co-incided with the date which is exactly three months prior to his next b-day, hence his next Solar Return.

So I am clear that we are over for good now, whereas before I was living in a state of pitiful denial, the likes of which I have never experienced.

What I am wondering about is his Solar Return Chart and if anyone might have some insight on one aspect: My name asteroid (and I have found name asteroids to be so, so, so much more powerful in a chart than I ever thought) falls on his IC for his coming year. I suppose that I wouldn't think it was that big a deal except that it's exact, to the minute. I find that meaningful.

His IC is at 11'57 Sagg and my name asteroid is 11'57 Sagg. Exact.

Also, his Karma asteroid for his SR falls directly on my natal Sun/Moon midpoint. It's just a few minutes off.

My point in all this is that I want to pull away from him emotionally. I need to for my own growth, sense of self and most importantly, my sanity. I told him that we cannot talk at all for a few months until I have found a way to move forward on my own.

I have been so desperately sad and I am hoping that someone might be able to say something about this aspect which makes sense to me.

I guess I am hoping to hear that it means I will be able to get to the point where I can accept him as just my friend. Or at the very least not wish with all my heart to be with him.

His name asteroid falls almost exactly to the minute on my current Solar Return Moon in the 11th House. My Moon is at 16'59 Libra and his name asteroid is at 16'29 Libra. This makes me feel as though there is some hope for my wish of seeing/feeling things in a new way.

I really do know that there's so much more to a SR chart than these little aspects, but for what it's worth, in his last Venus Return chart my name asteroid in his chart was at the 29th degree conjuncting both Amor and Venus. And in my last VR chart, my Amor was at the 29th degree conjuncting his name asteroid.

Any advice or interpretation would be so gratefully accepted.

posted August 06, 2007 04:02 PM            

I saw your message in the Soul Union thread so I will answer your questions here

Natally, his NN aspects are:

~ trine Moon (2)
~ square Mars (0)
~ quincunx Saturn (0)
~ square Uranus (0)
~ semi-square Neptune (0)
~ conjunct POF (3)
~ trine Vertex (0)
~ Square Ceres (8)
~ conjunct Amor (9)
~ opposite Osiris (8)
~ square Psyche (2)
~ opposite Valentine (6)
~ trine his name asteroid (3)
~ semi-square Ascendant (1)
~ opposite my name asteroid (9)*

*so he does sort of have this natally, although in a much wider orb...

Our synastry aspects involving the Nodes and Karma:

My NN:

~ conjunct his Sun (2)
~ conjunct his Juno (1)
~ trines his Osiris (0)
~ squares his Isis (0)
~ trines his Valentine (1)
~ trines my name asteroid (1)
~ conjunct his True Black Moon (0)

My Karma:

~ quincunxes his Sun (1)
~ squares his Jupiter (3)
~ conjuncts his Pluto (4)
~ conjuncts his Pallas (0)
~ squares my name asteroid (1)
~ squares his Valentine (5 - pretty wide)

* The rest of the aspects are mostly wide trines.

His NN:

~ trines my Jupiter (0)
~ trines my POF (1)
~ opposes my Ceres (1)
~ trines my Amor (2)
~ semi-squares my Lust (0)
~ opposes my Psyche (0)
~ sextiles my Valentine (1)
~ opposes my name asteroid (0)
~ quincunxes his name asteroid (1)
~ square my True Black Moon (2)

His Karma:

~ bi-quintiles my Sun and Venus (0)
~ conjuncts my Vertex (0)
~ quincunxes my Lilith (0)
~ quintiles my Juno (1)

* The rest are wide trines to Valentine, my name asteroid, etc.

As for transits:

Saturn (as well as Venus) are going to be making his way into his 7th House this September once they enter Virgo. His real Saturn Return is over (he's 34), but as I mentioned above, I have this burgeoning theory about Draconic Saturn Returns and if there's even a speck of validity to it, then he'll be having one of those once Saturn hits the 29th degree of Leo.

Saturn is currently squaring his Karma (0a) and Karma is conjuncting his name asteroid (0s). Saturn is also squaring his Mercury (5a) and his Neptune (7a).

Pluto is squaring his Moon (4a) and his Venus (5s)

Also, his natal Karma is being squared by Venus (4a), opposed by Mars (2s) and squared by Saturn (0a).

So that's what's going on there.

I don't know if any one of these things will stick out at you as being more important than the other, but all I can say is that he told me he literally felt torn between wanting to be with me and feeling he had to move on. He had lost 10 pounds and told me he thought about me constantly and he felt sick about never seeing me, even though it was his choice. He also mentioned that leaving me was the hardest thing he'd ever had to go through since his Dad died when he was a boy. And he was scared his was making a big mistake in leaving me. I told him that he had to go with his gut and that I wanted 100% of him, even if 50% of him felt amazing.

He was conflicted for so much of our relationhip so maybe he just has some serious commitment issues (Uranus and Mars conjunct in the 7th...?) or else this is some serious karma. Or both.

Either way, I really appreciate you taking the time to have a look

posted August 07, 2007 05:35 AM            

I've never looked into Mars-Uranus conjunctions before, so I had to look that one up. You're probably a lot more knowledgeable about that aspect than I am, so I don't think I'm telling you anything new, but that aspect is described as producing a restless, rebellious, self-willed individual who finds it difficult to relax. I didn't find any interpretation for having that conjunction in the 7th house, but I did find an interpretation for Uranus in that house that I found very interesting. It said a person with that placement has a developmental need to be freed from dependency on other people, and that this aspect can bring with it much loss to the native, preventing them from becoming too dependent (this reminded me when you mentioned that he'd lost his father when he was a child). So combining those two interpretations, you may get a person who finds it difficult to relax into becoming dependent on a partner. When he starts to feel comfort and nurturing from someone he has a close one-on-one partnership with, he feels like he's not fulfilling his soul's developmental purpose (described by Uranus in the 7th).

So then add to this your Ceres conjunct his S.Node. Ceres brings a comforting, calming, and peaceful affect. It's a nurturing energy. The Ceres person provides comfort, nurturing and unconditional love for the other. Since it's on his S.Node, this all feels very right to him, you give him just what he needs emotionally. But there's the problem--he's so happy, he's so content with you, that he feels overly dependent and that he's failing in becoming the emotionally self-sufficient person he believes he needs to be in this life.

Exacerbating the Node issue would be if he has it in Capricorn or the 10th house (both seem like a possible placement when I think of his other placements you've mentioned). The N.Node in either one of those would put his S.Node in a place comfortable with Cancer energy--either in the sign itself or in his 4th house. I don't want to go on too much about that though b/c I don't know if this is actually his S.Node placement, but if it is, it would reinforce him feeling that receiving nurturing from another runs counter to his soul's growth.

posted August 07, 2007 02:00 PM            

I still wonder if my name ast. in my own chart conjuncting his SN isn't symbolic of me needing to be in his past...it could be. However, what you wrote had such a ring of truthfulness about it, and somewhat mirrors the way I have been feeling deep down about things since I met him.

I have to agree about what you mentioned about the NN and SN energy too. The most comforting people in my life are almost always Taureans. When I need either advice, or comfort or even a meal, I generally look to my 3 Taurean female friends. There's a sense for me, sometimes, that without them I would have a harder time moving forward into my Scorpio NN.

And you were so right...his NN is at 19 degrees Capricorn and my name asteroid is at 20 degrees Cancer. Also, my Part of Marriage is at 15 degrees Capricorn but I suppose that that's too large of an orb...

Aso for houses: his SN falls into my 1st house and his NN (which is in his 11th) into my 7th. My NN falls into his 8th and my SN into his 2nd. But my Sun and Venus fall into his 4th and his Moon, Venus and Pluto fall into my 4th. His Mars/Uranus
conjunction falls directly on to my 5th house cusp.

Do you think it's likely that the feeling he's getting is really just the truth and that his decision was based on a deeper knowing? I usually feel, once broken up with someone, that we were heading into a bad place (or were already there) but not this time. And that's what has been nagging at me. I don't like to lie to myself
but maybe the Neptune squares in our composite have helped us both to do that??

Anyhow, thanks for that. Really

~ Love

Edit** Natally, his Valentine is at 13 degrees Cancer, conjuncting his Osiris at 11 deg. and my name asteroid at 9 deg. in HIS chart. All this falls into his 5th house and partially conjuncts my Ascendant at 9 deg. Cancer and my Isis (in my 12th) at 8 degress Cancer.**

posted August 07, 2007 04:32 PM            

From this link:
http://neptunecafe.homestead.com/asteroidsample.html

I found some interps that were pretty interesting. Jane, please don't feel obligated to comment on any or all of this. I'm mainly writing it down because I feel like I need to.

For instance, Ceres: in my chart she is at 18 degrees Cancer which is the same sign and degree of our composite Moon.

Ceres: "She is the impulse not just to nurture, but also to be nurtured by others through the giving and receiving of acceptance and unconditional love.

The story of Ceres and Persephone speaks to the complex mother-child relationship, emphasizing the interplay of closeness and separation, of nurturing and eventual letting-go as the child becomes an adult able to function on her or his own.

Once the letting-go is accomplished, the child is free to reestablish the bond in a different key. The Ceres myth also contains the themes of major physical or emotional loss, separation, abandonment, rejection, and estrangement that occur between parents and children, and later in life with other loved ones.

Ceres symbolizes attachment to whatever we have given birth to or created, and also the agony of losing it. If her myth is one of loss, however, it is also one of return, of death but also rebirth. Reminding us that loss makes way for new birth, Ceres can teach us the lesson of letting go. Ceres also teaches the wisdom that over-attachment and possessiveness can eventually bring loss, whereas sharing and letting go lead ultimately to reunion."

I find that very interesting indeed. I think if I can keep focsing on the letting go part without so much hurt I will feel better.

Then, on to Pallas in his chart (7th H) which exactly conjuncts my Pluto (to the minute) and my Karma (almost to the minute) in Libra/4th H. These three are all conjuncting the Fixed Star known as Vindemiatrix (or the Widow-maker) in 8 degrees Libra.

Pallas: "Pallas, the second asteroid to be discovered, was named for the goddess who, instead of being born from the womb, sprang from the head of her father and in her later actions exemplified strengths that are often thought of as masculine.This is the time of life when one acquires skills and a sense of competence, and starts to formulate oneself as an independent person.

In societies where female children were expected to marry at the earliest possible age, this stage was largely neglected in a woman's development, but it is a stage as important for women as it is for men. For either sex, only when this stage is successfully mastered is one truly ready to embark on the next stage, wherein one becomes a partner in a relationship of equals. In all things except marriage, she upheld male supremacy.

The price that was extracted from her was the denial of her femininity. She severed her connection from her mother (Metis), her sisters, the community of women, and her sexuality, and lost touch with her feminine qualities of sensitivity, softness, and vulnerability."

And this, too, is fascinating to me. So much revolves around the Moon in our charts and certainly there are clear links to our composite Moon, as well as the TBM. And of course in the Davison, our Saturn is at 15 degrees Cancer and in the Composite that is where my name asteroid sits. And still, all of these degrees in Cancer oppose his NN in Capricorn.

And then Juno, which in his chart conjuncts his Sun and then those two bodies conjunct my NN:

"In the human psyche, Juno represents that aspect of each person's nature which feels the urge to unite with another person to build a future together in a committed relationship. This partnership is sustained over time through a formal and binding commitment, whether it be a worldly or a spiritual bond. Juno speaks to our desire to connect with a mate who is our true equal on all levels - psychologically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually.

Within a context of separation and return, Juno encourages us to take the vow of "for better or worse, in sickness and health, till death us do part. She brings the wisdom that conscious relationship is a path to spiritual enlightenment, and the knowledge that relationships allow us to perfect and complete ourselves."

And I think I will end it on that note. The truth, beyond all astrology, is that he chose not to be with me. It helps me to try to understand it for my own growth and healing, but no amount of analyzing is going to refute what is.

I feel a little better for looking at this and writing it down. Ultimately it was a truly healing relationhip and I was truly consciously aware of that throughout the entire time I was with him. And that's an amazing thing.

posted August 08, 2007 04:15 AM            

I certainly wouldn't discount your name asteroid conjuncting his SN as symbolic. But I tend to find name asteroid's natal placements far more significant and influential (just an intuitive opinion based on the charts I've studied). The energy he associates with girls named "Love" is in his house of "romance, creativity, & children," near his husband and true love energy. Very nice! And then to specify that you're the specific woman his "Love" asteroid is referring to, it exactly conjuncts your Ascendant (!) and your Isis. Wow. And that Isis-Osiris conjunction isn't something to gloss over.
My bf has something similar going on with his "jane" asteroid natally. He has it conjunct his Mars, BML, Part of Marriage, and his "Angel" asteroid (probably more, seems like everything I check is in that spot ). This is all in his 5th house. And then my Juno conjuncts all that, and my Karma sextiles it all, which of couse means that I'm the "jane" his asteroid is referring to. Oh, and the "Angel" thing is kind of significant b/c natally I have that asteroid conjunct my Asc.
So that's the way I use name asteroids.

posted August 08, 2007 04:15 AM            

I think what you posted about Ceres is very interesting, particularly the part where it mentioned that once the letting go is accomplished, the non-Ceres person can reestablish the relationship in a different key. He can come back into this relationship seeing himself as emotionally self-sufficient and therefore able to enjoy and appreciate what you give him w/o feeling that he's becoming too dependent on it. But until he views himself as emotionally self-sufficient, he'll feel too overwhelmed and dependent on the relationship.

Wow about your Ceres and the comp Moon both being at 18 Cancer. How appropriate!

I'm glad you shared that info about Juno. I haven't seen that description before.

posted August 08, 2007 06:01 AM            

(You actually remind me, for some reason, of one of these women so I must now request some of your birth details if you don't mind. I actually hear her voice when I read your writing...it's odd.)

I think I just need to try and let go of it all, although that will likely happen in small-ish steps. For instance, I noticed in my Venus Return chart this year that my Isis is at 18 degrees Cancer...and that in his Solar Return chart, his Karma conjuncts my Sun/Moon midpoint. And then of course I just HAD to look into the future of 2008 at our Venus Return charts and I discovered that my Osiris (in the 7th) is exactly conjuncting his Isis (sigh, in the 2nd). Ha!

<<<But until he views himself as emotionally self-sufficient, he'll feel too overwhelmed and dependent on the relationship.>>>

I think that's so true. It's the truthiest thing about all this, except for how much I adore him. And I don't know where I'll be if and when that happens but I do hope for his own sake he does it. He really is this amazing person with some fear to get rid of.

And as for you using the same quote or paragraph, I don't even mind one degree.

~ Love

posted August 10, 2007 04:27 AM            

The only thing I have in Taurus (besides my DC) is Chiron. So maybe I sound like a Taurus when I'm in healing mode. Do you feel healed? But my placements are: Sag Sun, Leo Moon, Scorpio AC, Scorpio Mercury, Cap Venus & Virgo Mars. I know you're a Cancer AC and Sun, but where are your other personal planets?

posted August 10, 2007 07:37 AM            

As for your placements, Guy#1 had Scorpio Sun, Leo Moon and Sagg Asc. So maybe that's why it is so familiar? Just inverted or whatever. (I'm tired) I'm not sure I can explain it astrologically, just energetically.

I am a Cancer Sun, Ascendant and Venus, Taurus Moon and Jupiter (and SN), Gemini Mercury and Leo Mars.

Actually now that I think about it, it might be the Leo Moon/Mars thing. There's a certain je ne sais quoi about that aspect I think.

Thanks for thinking that I'm being mature about all this, but there are definitely moments when I want to drive to his house in the middle of the night, shake him and ask him if he's gone mad. But I don't, of course. And yet it becomes a horrible urge from time to time

On another interesting note, I decided to look up every person (man, woman or child) who has ever meant something to me on astro.com. I was searching to see just how common 18 degrees Cancer is, in general. Now granted, 50 or 60 people is a small sample but when all was said and done, this is what I found at 18 degrees Cancer:

~ Ceres in my natal
~ my best friend's Saturn (the Nov.1st one)
~ the Comp Moon with my ex (Guy#2)
~ My 2007/08 Venus Return Isis
~ My Guy#2's Progressed IC as of this December/07

And if you do the Sabian Symbols properly by rounding up the degree (ie 18'47 is considered 19 degrees) then you get:

Cancer 19 ~ A Priest Performing a Marriage Ceremony.

And then I think of first message I ever got from him (before we'd even met) and it was 2 links to 2 different wedding rings asking which one I liked better.

posted August 10, 2007 08:36 AM              

My favourite branch in Astrology is Synastry. I can see very good, where is the love. Without Asteroids. Until now. From now on, I will use it too.
What I don't understand is, when you write there: my name Asteroid; his name Asteroid!
What that means? How can you have your name Asteroid?
It is very important, as I didn't use Asteroids until now.
Thank you, Natasha

posted August 10, 2007 08:41 AM              

Jane,
i´ve red your post about the name asteroids.
The placements between you and your bf really are very beautiful,i think IQ would really like to know that when he comes hihihi - it proves once again the importance of the astedois,in natal and sinastry.

Well, you already know how i am - always lookin for stuff so i went to see if in our natals/sinastry there could be a pattern whcih would indicate some powerful indication.

my bf´s name is John Paul and i discovered in astro a list containing Jonnhy ( how i call him) and JohnPaul.

IN MY NATAL:

jonnhy(in 12º Aries),appears in my 7th house,conjuncting vertex and the DC.also conjuncting my Venus/Uranus Mid(3).Trines my Mars/Ceres/Karma/Siva and Valentine.Skuares my Eros. Skuares my Moon/Venus Mid(2),Sun/Moon Mid(2).Trines my POM,my Karma/Valentine Mid(0).

The JohnPaul - in 1ºCancer (which is his real AC) is in my 9th house,conjuncting my MC and skuaring my AC. Conjuncts my Eros/Isis/,my Moon/Mars Mid.,and sextiles my Juno.It conjuncts my bf´s POM( 0º CANCER).

in HIS NATAL
Anna is in his 8th house,in 3º Pisces.Conjunts his Part of Wedding.
Trines his NN ;sextiles his Juno/Karma/isis/osiris, and his Jonnhy/JohnPaul Asteroids.Sextiles his Iis/Osiris Mid(4),Sun/Mars Mid,Moon/AC Mid. Skuares his POM(3).

in my natal, i have Anna( 5 gem) asteroid in my 9th,conj my kiron/PF (his NN is 9 Cancer). ( in sinastry my kiron/Anna widely conj his Valentine.

in SINASTRY
his ANNA oposes my sun/venus/;trines my saturn/Eros/Isis/Johnpaul/MC, and sextiles his Juno(1º).HIS Destiny conj my John/vertex.His PF conj my Amor.sKUARES MY 9THcUSP,trines my 8thcusp,trines my ICcusp.Skuares my POM;

my Anna trines his sun(0),oposes his mars/eros/ and conj his valentine.

my Jonnhy oposes his merc/psyche/;conj his MC;skuares his NN/isis/osiris/jonnhy.sextiles his Valentine.TRINES my vertex(0).
ALso,oposes his Venus/Pluto Mid(1º),Kaali/Siva Mid(3),skuares his MarriageMen,his Moon/Mars Mid(0),Amor/Karma Mid(0).
Skuares my Sun/Moon Mid(2),Moon/Venus Mid(2).

my JohnPaul skuares his sun/psyche;oposes his isis/osiris/jonnhy/johnpaul;trines his Anna and conjunct his NN.
Conjunts his POM(1º),oposes his Isis/Osiris Mid(4).Conj my own Moon/Mars Mid(1º).Trines his SUN/AC Mid(1). Skuares his Sun/Venus Mid(1),his Mars/AC.

his Johnny and JohnPaul trines my sun/venus/Juno/Osiris; oposes my eros/MC;skuares my AC.

my johnhy/isis/MC/eROS falls on his 12th,and my johnpaul falls on his 9th.
His Anna falls on my 5th house.

his Jonnhy/JohnPaul/ISIS/Osiris/Juno/ conj my IC.

well,Anna is a name very used,and he also had an ex called Anna who unfortunatelly died.SO,this asteroid could also be talking about her,and not me?

posted August 10, 2007 02:46 PM            

As Jane said, she uses these names primarily for natal charts but I have used them in synastry and find those aspects interesting as well.

Jane ~ Speaking of which, I checked all my past bf's (there were quite a few :O ) and I did notice one pattern for them natally. In the most serious relationships my name asteroid was conjuncting either Isis or Osiris in their charts...or in the case of my ex-bf who I was with for 7 years, both.