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GeminiLover75
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posted August 08, 2007 05:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this at http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?id=5673

It was very interesting - apologies if this has already been posted! I'll post the article and then a couple of interpretation questions I'm interested in...


Saturn in Relationship (Astrology)
By Dena L. Moore
Last edited: Friday, May 31, 2002
Posted: Friday, May 31, 2002

The planet Saturn's importance in relationships.

Saturn’s importance in relationships should not be overlooked, yet for some odd reason his influence often is, particularly in computer analyzed synastry charts, which tend to focus primarily on Sun, Moon, Venus, and Mars contacts. Perhaps Saturn is quickly dismissed as an ‘outer planet’ and therefore not relevant to relationships. Perhaps Saturn is brushed aside because of the intense karmic implications apparent with Saturn contacts in synastry. Regardless, Saturn does not often get the attention he deserves.

Saturn is a builder, a solidifying influence that is pertinent to the formation of any long-lasting relationship. Relationships aren’t meant to be all light and fluff--they are intended for the individual growth of the two partners. Significant growth is not easy or very fun and Saturn contacts can be rather painful at times. Saturn in our charts is often expressed in an unconscious manner. It is our repressed child-hood fears, our own personal inferiority complex that can hold us back if we don‘t learn to express Saturnian energy consciously. Many times we are only made aware of this part of ourselves through the mutual projection/reflection inherent in our relationships. The true strength of any building’s structure is known only after it withstands the force of a hurricane, earthquake, or other disaster. The same is true of our personality. We don’t know what we are capable of until we are involved in a relationship that tests us and strengthens our resolve and determination.

In synastry, Saturnian contacts are often viewed negatively if there is a square (90 degrees), opposition (180 degrees), or conjunction ( 0 degrees) involved. It is often stated that the Saturn person has a restricting or limiting influence on the other person’s involved planet. This is true to an extent but it should be understood that Saturn is the vulnerable one in this situation. He is trying to hide his pain, his weaknesses from his partner and does this with a self-protecting mechanism of domination and ‘parental’ guidance. The very part of the other person Saturn is trying to restructure is simply an unconscious projection on his part--it is a part of the Saturnian personality that he recognizes but can’t consciously associate with himself. Through this relationship, and the reflection of the unconscious need for growth, the Saturnian person becomes more conscious, more developed, in his own right. So how does this affect the other person? Well, it can be very difficult at times but if the person can understand this part of the relationship and work with it, they too will grow. The Saturnian contact will help strengthen the other person’s planet and give it more conscious structure. The tension can swing back and forth between the partners as the fears and needs of each partner are put to the test by the contact.

A positive Saturnian contact such as the trine (120 degrees) and the sextile (60 degrees) is easier to work with in the relationship because Saturn and the other planet have more of an understanding between them. Although Saturn can still be unconscious in these circumstances, chances are the Saturnian person has had some prior experience with a Saturnian connection in another relationship and thus has a more conscious knowledge of his Saturnian placement and is working more successfully with the energy. In the new relationship with the positive Saturn connection, the Saturnian is helping build up the structural personality of the current partner. This is a situation of growth for both partners as the Saturnian is learning to share his prior experiences in a teaching position while the other partner is developing the planet in question.

Without the strength and support of a significant Saturn contact, it is fairly difficult to think in terms of long-term possibility in a relationship. This planet is a powerhouse that is often avoided in synastry because the implications are, on the surface, unpleasant. After all, we really don’t like to hear the truth about our relationships or ourselves. It is less painful and easier to avoid the truth, at least at first. However, avoidance and ignorance will eventually backlash and can possibly destroy a relationship that could have been saved if the two people involved were willing to open themselves up to their fears and hostilities and had learned to integrate the energy in a more healthy fashion.

While some synastry interpretations avoid Saturn and his importance in our relationships, it is one of the first planets I look at when I start a synastry reading. In my opinion, Saturn is not only important in a relationship, but is the very foundation of a long-term relationship. Without a foundation, all structures will collapse.


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GeminiLover75
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posted August 08, 2007 05:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So... I hadn't really looked at me and my bf's Saturn contacts before, but I've just discovered that we have some - and to my surprise, it's me who's the Saturn person! :0

My Saturn in 7th square his moon and Uranus
My Saturn making some minor aspect (tiny little black dots) to his Jupiter and Neptune
My Saturn making tiny little black dots to his Saturn
His Saturn making green dashes to my Uranus.

What does all of this mean? I would hope that I'm not making him feel Saturnian restrictions, but that's what the article indicates. To be honest, I feel more like there are the effects described of the positive contact more than the negative ones talked about here.

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jkxx
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posted August 08, 2007 05:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice article! It seems to be focusing on serious (no pun intended) issues too.

Personally I've been tracking Saturn in both synastries and composites though not all long-term relationships have had it making any important aspects.

It's somewhat off topic, but in my research Saturn has come up to represent a need for commitment in those readings where the relationship wouldn't happen at all unless taken seriously. Has anyone run into this?

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GeminiLover75
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posted August 08, 2007 05:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I'm a Saturn in 7th native, so it seems that all relationships are serious for me. lol.

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GeminiLover75
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posted August 08, 2007 05:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just looked at my previous relationship, and we had this:

My Saturn square his Saturn
My Saturn sextile his sun
His Saturn conjunct my Jupiter
His Saturn opposite my Pluto
His Saturn trine my Neptune
His Saturn green-dashing (lol!) my moon.

Maybe I should leave out aspects to the outer planets and just focus on the personal ones (in that case, his sun and my moon). It was a five-year relationship, and my current one has been two years so far.

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cristiname
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posted August 08, 2007 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jkxxx, this

" Saturn has come up to represent a need for commitment ... where the relationship wouldn't happen at all unless taken seriously"

makes a lot of sense to me.

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Arnicka
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posted August 08, 2007 08:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi jkxx ~ What have you found, in your experience, relating to the meaning of Saturn in the 8th in synastry?

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posted August 08, 2007 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if you both have saturn in pisces? I think both of our mothers were pisces too.

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SexyScorp103
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posted August 08, 2007 08:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jkxx, i completely agree
..Theres this guy ive been trying to work things out with for almost a year (yea im really stuck on him ) and his saturn conj my sun in scorpio with an orb of 1 deg 14' ...i think he may even take our "friendship" too seriously and thats why nothing has ever happened, because we are both mutually very attracted to each other on every level (umm, he also told me once that he never wants to get married lol..)
so i think unless you both take teh relationship seriously when it comes to a commitment this aspect may just provoke the feeling of one person or the other being "restricted".. at least its liek that in our relationship i guess,

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GeminiLover75
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posted August 09, 2007 12:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's good info on Saturn in a relationship book I was reading once. It gives descriptions for how natal Saturn in a sign, combined with your sun sign, makes you feel in relationships with people who's sun is in the same sign as your Saturn. I'm not sure now if it's the Sextrology book that others have mentioned on this forum, or another one.

For example, a Gemini born in 1971 will have Saturn in Taurus - these people feel that a relationship with a Taurus is very serious and it makes them feel secure. But a Taurus born in 1975 for example, will have Saturn in Cancer and so a Cancerian may provide the nurturing and security they may need, whereas the Gemini with Saturn in Taurus who may be pursuing the Taurus could make the Taurus with Saturn in Cancer feel not quite so secure! lol. Of course other aspects come into play, but Saturn helps to show the karmic links.

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