posted August 16, 2007 03:52 AM              

I once read that some astrologers (for example Stephen Arroyo) place great importance on the dispositor of a planet; he sais that the ruler of ones planet in sign and house influence the way the planet is expressed. He only uses the old rulers btw.

In my case things are getting interesting, because my personal planets are mostly in masculine signs (Sagittarius and Aquarius), only my Venus is in Capricorn, but Capricorn isn`t that feminine at all.
However, the ruler of my Sagittarius-planets Sun, Mercury, Mars and ASC is Jupiter; and this Jupiter is placed in Pisces.
My female planets Moon and Venus are originially in some difficult signs, Capricorn and Aquarius.
But they are both ruled (old ruler) by Saturn, which happens to fall into Cancer in teh 8th house.
Also, if you use old rulers, my Moon-ruler Uranus falls into Scorpio.

so, in my case, every single dispositor of my personal planets are in Water-signs, and it`s true, this element is much more prominent in my nature than one would expect, since I have only Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus in water signs. But those planets actually rule all my personal planets (Jupiter rules Sag, Saturn rules Capricorn and Aquarius, and Uranus rules Aquarius), and could that be the reason I identify with them so much?

How are your experiences with the connection of sign and ruler?
To me it makes sense that there is a difference between someone with Moon in Taurus and Venus (moon-ruler) in Scorpio, to someone with Moon in Taurus and Venus in Gemini for example.
But what do you think of it?

DD

posted August 16, 2007 04:13 AM              

The ruler of my sun is Venus, which is in Gemini for me (6th house).
Ruler of my moon is Pluto, which is in Libra (10th house).
Ruler of my ascendant is Jupiter, which is in Aries (5th house).
Ruler of my Venus is Mercury, which is in Taurus (5th house)
Ruler of my Mars is Neptune, which is in Sagittarius (12th house).
Ruler of my Mercury is Venus, which again is in Gemini (6th house).

So I have 3 air (Gemini and Libra), 2 fire (Aries and Sagittarius), and 1 earth (Taurus). Interesting because in Vedic astrology I'm an Aries with Libra moon and Sag rising, Gemini DC. And as I recall, my 9th harmonic gives me strong Sag influence as well.

posted August 16, 2007 04:15 AM              

There is a lot more to the whole sign dispositor idea than u think, actually too much to go into detail here.
also it is a very important aspect in synastry, u guys call it Affinities.

posted August 16, 2007 04:20 AM              

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The two zodiacs, sidereal (of the stars) and tropical (of the earth/seasons) can be visualized as two rings occupying the same space with one of them slipping forward by approximately 50.3 seconds of arc each year. If we had a telescope aimed at a fixed point in the east and looked through it at exactly the moment of spring equinox, each year and recorded the star images, we would find that the stars shift very slowly eastwards from year to year at the rate of 50.3 seconds each year. This is what is known as the error due to precession of the equinoxes, which is generated by the wobbling motion caused in the earth's axis primarily due to the gravitational interaction between the earth, moon and the sun.

Every 26000 years or so, the two zodiacs line up precisely and there remains no difference between the sidereal and tropical placements. However, there is controversy regarding the exact date when this happened the last time. This date of coincidence of the tropical and sidereal zodiac is an important consideration because the orientation of the sidereal zodiac depends on it! This uncertainty in pinning down the date has given rise to a series of values for corrections for the precessional error.

The different fiduciaries, known as ayanamshas often go by the name of their proponents and so we have the Fagan-Bradley value used exclusively by western siderealists (this is a different system from jyotish though using the same zodiac) and other values that are used by jyotishis all over the globe, such as Lahiri's, Raman's, Yukteshwar's, Krishnamurthi's, Usha-Shashi's and Bhasin's values, etc.

The question legitimately arises: Why so many and how can they all be justified or even work well at the same time? This, while true, gives the skeptics a big bone to chew on! One would imagine it should be possible to test the different ayanamshas and see if the planetary periods lined up with the events or traits in an individual or something like that.

However, fact is that in astrology there is no cut and dry 'rule' that would fit in each case or even operate in an isolated fashion. The multifactorial nature and intertwining of rules makes it a bit difficult to test one or the other value conclusively. Moreover, things get a bit more complex because of the use of a system for timing of events known as dashas; these are somewhat similar to the system of progression used by tropical astrologers.

Of the many dashas, vimshottari is popularly used but is by no means the only one. This dasha system is based on the progression of the natal moon through asterisms ruled by different planets. Though called asterisms (Nakshatras), these are really finer divisions of the very same 360 degree zodiacal circle. The moon is progressed through the equally spaced Nakshatras divisions of the zodiac (13d 20m each) at varying rates (in contrast with the one degree a year or similar fixed rate of progressions used in tropical progressions). This arrangement leads to ones life being under the domain or signature of different planets for periods ranging from 6 to 20 years each. Lest someone misunderstand, the planets probably do not 'influence' our life and events directly, but represent trends, influences and circumstances that we would be more susceptible to during a given period. An interesting analogy would be that of the clock at noon. The coming together of the two hands of a clock at noon is not what makes most individual hungry for lunch, but certainly predicts the probability of a lot of people feeling hungry at noon. The astrological planets probably are akin to the hands of the cosmic clock, which governs our lives and phases or periods in life.

Other distinct features of Jyotish are, the scheme of planetary strength determination, planetary combinations (yogas and arishtas), the concepts of executor (karaka) and obstructive (badhaka) planets, and unique techniques such as ashtakavarga (a system for assigning points based on the actual position of the planets in a horoscope, primarily used for gauging the effects of transits) and the reliance on sign-dispositors, etc. There are several texts available these days in English that present the concepts of Vedic astrology in a simple manner that is a bit easier to understand than the often very poignant and pithy verse and complex translations that are seen in the case of most original Vedic jyotish texts.

The main body of Vedic astrological knowledge has not changed very much over the years, although many contradictions and different nuances of the same rule can be observed when comparing texts from different time periods. The core manual of natal Vedic astrology is Parashara's magnum opus, "Brihata Parashar Hora Shashtra". Several translations / transliterations are available. Most original texts on Vedic astrology are collections of verses that describe the different areas of astrology and give endless combinations of planetary positions, often without going into the modus operandi or defining the common basis of prediction. Examples and illustrations in the form of charts and horoscopes are nearly non-existent. The students are often left on their own to figure out the meaning, similarities etc.

It must be remembered that when the original texts were written (after generations and generations of oral tradition, with knowledge being passed from teacher to student), these were perhaps intended to be notes and references and the practical training of an astrologer based on a mentor-apprentice relationship was supplemented by these texts, hence the absence of illustrations and practical discussions of horoscopes from these is not unusual. Stylistic and connotational differences that have crept-in since the time of the original writing have resulted in higher demands on using discretion while interpreting these books and then applying the techniques to horoscopes.

A major consideration in Vedic astrology involves the study of dispositions. For example, when studying the third house, the planets associated with the third house are important, but perhaps even more important is the lord of the third house and its dispositor (the planet whose sign/star the third lord is placed in). In most combinations, one would notice a common pattern. In order to gain in strength and beneficence, a planet should not only be placed in a benefic house (angles or trines from the ascendant) but also be associated and aspected by other benefic planets. Such 'joining of hands' is very important and is emphasized repeatedly in many ancient texts. A chart with strong planets (in own or exalted signs) would perhaps indicate a good beginning, a childhood well provided-for, but unless these planets are well connected and prominent in relevant Vargas or divisional charts, the potential may not be realized in one's future life.

Lunar nodes are extremely important in Vedic astrology. Although different significances and attributes had been attributed to these, their propensity for producing sudden, unexpected and unwanted effects with a karmic twist invoke terror in many a heart. That mere mathematical points could have such profound effects is incredible. The nodes form many combinations such as the "chandal yoga" (nodes conjoining Jupiter), which essentially are claimed (a bit too dramatically) to render Jupiter bereft of all good. Another one is the "kalasarpa yoga" when all planets are flanked between the nodes, leading to major doom and gloom and severe constraints upon everything that the person attempts. There are of course several modifiers that reduce the effects of both the good and bad combinations and these need to be noticed and taken into account as well in order to mete out a balanced and helpful reading.

There are many factors and considerations that must be utilized in the practice of Vedic astrology, such as the concept of personal planets, secondary houses, natural or intrinsic, static and dynamic significators or indicators of various things, people and circumstances that together form part of the 'human experience'. In future articles, I would be touching upon these areas in greater details.

There are, therefore, interesting differences in the way that Vedic astrology works in contrast to other forms of astrology and, hopefully we would be able to explore some of the issues pertaining to this unique body of astrological knowledge in coming issues.

posted August 16, 2007 04:22 AM              

Just out of interest, I'll do my bf's:

Ruler of his sun (Mercury) is in Gemini
Ruler of his moon (Mars) is in Aquarius
Ruler of his ascendant (Mars) is in Aquarius
Ruler of his Venus (Mercury) is in Gemini
Ruler of his Mars (Uranus) is in Libra
Ruler of his Mercury (Mercury) is in Gemini

posted August 16, 2007 08:28 AM              

according to Arroyo it happens often, that the ones we love or are close to, have connections to your dispositors.
For example he said that he was always meeting Aquarius-Moons and getting along greatly with them, but he didn`t have an Aquarius-Moon; instead his Moon-sign ruler was in Aquarius.

I think I can confirm that, too.
My best friend`s husbands`Venus doesn`t make too many aspects to her chart (opposite Jupiter, square MC), and still he is just crazy about her.
But the ruler of his Sagittarius-Venus falls into Aries, while the ruler of her Libra-Venus is of course Venus in Libra again, the opposite Sign. So maybe that adds to the attraction.

Also, his Sun and ASC are in conjunct and have some stressful aspects to her chart; as his Sun / ASC are square her Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Pluto.
But the ruler of his Sun / ASC is in Leo.
Her Moon is in ARies with ruler in Libra, her Mercury, Venus, Mars and Pluto are also in Libra and since Venus is in her own sign, it all comes down to Libra in her chart. lol
So there is a connection of Leo to Libra.
And even more interesting, this stellium of hers in Libra falls into the 5th house, the natural Leo-house.

Also, I have a very challenging female principle in my horoscope (if I do a dispositor-chain then I have two circles, and one circle includes Moon, Venus, SAturn, Uranus and Pluto. Additonally to that Moon is quinkunx Saturn and Venus is square Pluto - challenging).
The ruler of my Moon (ancient ruler) and Venus are retograde Saturn in Cancer in 8th house.
It`s amazing, how many of my female friends and relatives have dominant Cancer-placements.
My Mum and my best friend both have a Cancer-ascendant, another friend of mine has Moon and Ascendant in Cancer, another friend has her Moon in CAncer.
Interestingly I never felt drawn to Cancer-males, but there have been a lot of Capricorn-males in my life, which I felt attracted to. Actually I have liked three celebrities in the last 2 years, and all three had Capricorn-sun.
Of course Capricorn is also my Venus-sign.
Another sign I feel drawn to (but mostly to the men) is SCorpio; and what I see is that the new ruler of my Moon, Uranus, is in Scorpio (I also tend to seek out the males, who have their Moon or Sun or even Venus conjunct or opposite this Uranus, my Moon-sign ruler, coincidence?). Also, the ruler of Venus is in 8th house, and Venus itself is square Pluto. So enough reasons to fall for Scorpio`s I guess.
And I also realized, that I tend to feel drawn to men with Venus in Pisces, which always surprised me, since Pisces squares my Mars, ASC, Neptune and NN in Sagittarius. But of course the ruler of all of this is Jupiter in Pisces. And the actor I have liked most for the last year, has his Venus actually almost exactly conjunct my Jupiter.

So, I guess it`s worth investigating rulerships and synastry.

DD

posted August 16, 2007 09:00 AM              

thank you for that article.
It`s funny I actually have looked a bit into Vedic astrology some weeks ago. But as you know, you can`t look "a bit" into Vedic; at least not if oyu come from WEstern astrology; Vedic astrology takes a lot of time to study and understand. It`s not easy, but utterly fascinating.
Because I was such a lazy bone, I went to an Indian astrology site, where they did a short compatibility check, and I tried that out with the actor I like, and well, we wouldn`t be a match made in heaven, but according to them a "good" match, and what I found most intersting was that there were some areas that were rated with 100%: nature, life, physical compatibility and destiny.

However, I actually was aware of the fact that the Indian astrologers knew so much things, long, long, long before the western even started. It`s astonishing. It makes me wonder how much knowledge has gotten lost through the centuries, which we had to "re-activate" again.

And ̀ tend to place more and more importantce on sign-rulers, too (I`ve always done that with the house-rulers anyway).
I had a look at my parents`s chart, who share a close Sun (in aquarius - my father) - Sun (in scorpio - my mother)- square. And it`s true, there are great differences between them in their solar expression, and still they stick together like glue.
Now, if I look at the sign rulers, I see:

the new ruler of my father`s Sun, Uranus, falls onto my mother`s Ascendant in Cancer.
the ancient ruler of dad´s Sun, SAturn, is in Virgo, conjunct my mother`s Venus-Mars-conjunction (and in the same sign as her Moon).

the new ruler of my mother´s Sun, Pluto, is in Leo, in the opposite sign of dad`s Sun and Venus.
the ancient ruler of my mother`s Sun, Mars, is in Virgo, conjunct my father`s ASC and Sun-sign-ruler. So basically their Sun-sign-rulers are conjunct in Virgo and also conjunct each other`s Ascendant. And again, between them, is a lot of underlying understanding and affinity, even despite all their differences.
Of course there are even more of those connections, like his Venus-sign-ruler conjunct her Venus and Mars in Virgo.

DD

posted August 16, 2007 04:22 PM              

Me:
Sun in Sagittarius with Jupiter in Pisces
Moon in Aquarius with Saturn in Cancer
Moon in Aquarius with Uranus in Scorpio
Venus in Capricorn with Saturn in Cancer
Mars in Sagittarius with Jupiter in Pisces
ASC in Sagittarius with Jupiter in Pisces
NN in Sagittarius with Jupiter in Pisces

Him:
Sun in Capricorn with Saturn in Leo
Moon in Scorpio with Mars in Capricorn
Moon in Scorpio with Pluto in Libra
Venus in Pisces with Jupiter in Taurus
Venus in Pisces with Neptune in Sagittarius
Mars in Capricorn with Saturn in Leo
ASC in Aquarius with Saturn in Leo
ASC in Aquarius with Uranus in Scorpio
NN in Libra with Venus in Pisces

The comparision:

The ruler of my Sun, Mars, ASC and NN is in the same sign as his Venus and NN-ruler; actually those are closely conjunct, which of course means that both our NN-rulers are conjunct and additionally his Venus is square my NN. Interesting.

The ruler of his Sun, Mars and ASC fall into Leo, which is also interesting. If you only look at the planets the usual way, you`d notice, except for ASC they are all in female signs, but it seems underneath there`s something very masculine there (the Leo below). It`s comparable to my horoscope. I have an emphasis on masculine signs, but the rulers are all in soft watersigns.
So, the planets of his "male self" have a Leo-undertone, while my planets of my "female self" have a Cancer-undertone (even the ancient ruler is the same, Saturn).

The ruler of his Sun, Mars, ASC (Saturn in Leo) are actually in close opposition to my Moon in Aquarius.

The ruler of my Moon and Venus (Saturn in Cancer) are in the opposite sign of his Sun and Mars (there`s even a wide opposition of 6° from my Moon and Venus-ruler to his Sun).

Also, my Moon / Venus-ruler in Cancer is in the opposite sign of his ancient Moon-ruler.

His Moon-ruler in Capricorn is in the same sign as my Venus.

my new Moon-ruler (Uranus) in Scorpio actually exactly conjuncts his Moon and it`s in the same sign as his new ASC ruler (and on top of that my Moon is conjunct his ASC).

HIs Venus-ruler (Jupiter in Taurus) is in the opposite sign of my new Moon-ruler.

HIs new Venus-ruler (Neptune in Sagittarius) is in the same sign as my Sun, Mars, NN and ASC. His new Venus-ruler is also conjunct my NN.

This is really interesting. If I only knew how to interprete it!lol