posted September 13, 2007 04:08 AM              

I absolutely love to collect books.
One day I'll open a free exchange library for sure, LOL!

posted September 13, 2007 04:10 AM              

I googled the aspect and came up with lots of heavy interpretations, hardship in youth, overpowering mother etc...

posted September 13, 2007 12:32 PM            

P.S. it also says Hades Moon runs in families which explains to me why me, my mother and grandmother are all scorpio moons.

Scorpio moons by nature are Hades Moons even without a PLuto aspect, but with it makes them a double so. yay me...

AG - meeee too! Reaaad this book. Its hard core and totally fits some things that I didnt even know could be explained by astrology. She said many Hades moons have a tough birth and are often born with a c-section or with a chord around their neck thus having a near death experience at birth...that be me...i was so surprised something like that, which is basically prenatal would be explained by astrology.

yourfriendinspirit - you are so very welcome. And thats awesome that you want to open a library. Its hard to find good rare stuff in most libraries. Best of luck to you!

Melinda - yea moon Pluto conjunction is a hard aspect but I do not see it as a negative one personally. In fact i do not see any conjunction as such. I have moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio and its the strongest aspect in my chart that influences me the most (in the first house). The overpowering mother is very true.

But the book says its sometimes hard to see or even not visible because overall the mother takes on the role of Pluto. And sometimes she can be healing, and the whole point is the mother teaches the child hard lessons in life just by their connection. My mother even though we are extremely close is amazingly controlling in subtle ways though (Leo Scorpio Scorpio). And sometimes I feel i am too dependant on her, i noticed that with a few moon/pluto people. Also its an extremely emotionally intense aspect. But I also think we are able to use that to achieve spirituality sometimes and transformations. Many times thoughout my life I will go through periods of destruction, usually ona mental/spiritual level only to try to fix everything and make it whole again. There is the constant death/rebirth aspects within life.

The author of this book has Moon(scorpio) squaring Pluto (Leo i think) on her Asc. So she talks a lot about that aspect and what it did for her. The book talks about a lot of incarnation. Im very impressed. The author is a Saggi Scorpio moon. Though certain things she says throw me a bit off, but overall nice read.

posted September 13, 2007 01:48 PM            

I agree with the assessment of intense, but often hidden emotions. Very infrequently people will get an emotional outburst from me, and it's intensity is surprising for them, because I typically have such a cool exterior.

Hardship in youth? I don't know. I'm also a Capricorn Sun with Saturn in the 1st. Whatever troubles I may have endured (which seems fairly minimal now) could also be tributed to those placements.

Overpowering mother? My mom is a Leo, too. She's certainly opinionated, and had ideas about what was "healthy" as far as my early relationships, but she was great. She taught me how to cook. She did crafts and science projects for school with me. She was always someone I could speak frankly with about spiritual matters. I also acted as her confidant when she was stressed. I would say that she was more accepting than overbearing by far. I'll never forget the time when I was maybe 5 years old and the neighbor girl turned her hose on me. I went to tell on her, and my mom didn't think it was any big deal. Finding out that she wouldn't freak out about things set the tone for a lot of things.

Astrodienst says this about your relationship with your mother: "You probably have a strong emotional tie to your mother, and it is most important that you have a good relationship with her. If you and she can discuss your emotional problems openly, it will help you a lot."

Some notes on my Pluto that may modify my experience:

Pluto in the Fifth House
Pluto in Libra
Sun Square Pluto
Pluto Trine Midheaven
Pluto Trine Ascendant
Venus Sextile Pluto
Neptune Sextile Pluto

Pluto makes a lot of positive contacts around my chart. The most important ones to me are that it ties all my water planets (Moon, Pluto and Neptune) together, and it's part of the bridge that joins my 5th and 7th houses making me a creative personality.

BUD,

I was also my mother's toughest birth. I was turned the wrong way, and I think there was an issue with my umbilical cord as well. She really wanted a boy, though, so she was so happy to greet me.

posted September 13, 2007 06:55 PM            

Well in my particular case, I am gonna say that my Asc trine overshadows the Moon/Pluto one. Moon trine pluto gives a person a more family oriented approach to life.

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You often expect high-quality partners for your intimate relationships; and caution is necessary when choosing suitable lovers for long-term intimacy. Your hope for children and family life will have considerable impact, requiring maturity and responsibility. Your feelings will be tied to family and home; and you will work hard at making the relationships successful for all concerned.

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Where as the Moon trine Asc.

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You have sufficient talent to make a substantial contribution to your career. You realize that in order to succeed you must make sacrifices in your personal affairs. This might mean deferring marriage until you can get the education you need to succeed in your professional endeavors. You want to know that you've exploited your creative potentials, and you want the fulfillment that this brings.

Your marital partner must always remain a lover, so that you will continue to make substantial contributions to maintain the fascination and excitement of your first encounter.

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posted September 14, 2007 01:14 AM            

For me Pluto is in the second house conjunct my moon whichis in the first.

Trine my mercury
Trine mars
Sextile Neptune

Yea the book says Hades moons seem to have near death experiences at birth. Same with me

Alia - im not sure about that aspect in a composite but i think its means a very strong emotional tie.

Dulce -

Xodian - hehe most definately. But this book was pretty intense and disturbing. I kinda had a PLutonic way of getting it too. I saw it in a store and liked it but didnt get it cuz it was a hard read. Then saw it again and didnt get it again. Then on the third time finally went and got it.

posted September 16, 2007 06:45 PM              

It seems to me that the Pluto moon has been a problem for the women in my family and it transfers itself down the line with the effect of mother affecting daughter, who then becomes a mother and affects the next daughter. There's a lot of love and caring, and none of us in the family would hurt each other intentionally but it's like one person's issues affect the other. I'd like to be the one to break the cycle. (I've always said I would be sure to give my children freedom without emotional blackmail intentional or unintentional - Uranus is strong for me so it could be that this will be easier for me than it is for other women in my family).

posted September 16, 2007 11:19 PM            

Being the one to break the cycle isnt the icing on the cake either. That means u have to take on the karma for urself and overcome that of other members. Owww

posted September 20, 2007 01:00 AM              

I think that the Pluto-NN transit was extremely karmic and it was totally fated that these two guys would affect my life so strongly.