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Topic: Are you self-destructive?
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jane Knowflake Posts: 1277 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted September 21, 2007 12:44 AM
Are you self-destructive? What things in your chart do you think indicate that behavior? I'm using "self-destructive" loosely...I just mean behavior that doesn't nourish what you presently have. These behaviors may ultimately be positive though, bringing personal growth & accomplishments. Different planets & signs seem to give people different types of self-destructive personalities. I suppose with Neptune it's escapism. Saturn, fear/delay in pursuing a goal. Pluto, the urge to destroy & start anew. My way is Uranian. In my chart, I have Uranus in the first house. It's conjunct Mercury & tightly square my Moon. I also have Aquarius on my IC. According to Pullen, Uranus is my most prominent planet. I'd say he's right. Since a young age, when things have been going very smoothly in a certain area of my life, I've often withdrawn from it. I guess the calmness would bore me & make me start to feel too limited and defined. So I'd withdraw, then fall behind, & come back, enjoying the adrenaline & pressure to make up for what I lost. I was like this in every area...my professional life (school & career) and my private life (relationships of all kinds). I'm still like this, but it's not as strong a part of my personality as it has been in in the past. Certain things--some good, some bad--have brought a stability to my life that I've never experienced before. Not that I was erratic before, but I'd regularly experience a sudden need to escape. The routine would eventually feel dull and artificial, the escape would feel invigorating and real. This behavior hasn't caused that many problems for me, so I guess it hasn't been self-destructive from an external pov. Professionally & academically, it hasn't hurt me. Privately, well, it has caused some problems. My main motivation to control this part of myself better has been to avoid hurting people. Mostly what Uranus does is give me a frequent urge to begin something new. Now, I try to use it in a positive way by adding new experiences, without neglecting current responsibilities. Anyone else relate to this? I'm interested in hearing other people's experiences with Uranus (I'm kinky lke that ), but I'm also curious about how other planets contribute to different self-destructive behavior.
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SexyScorp103 unregistered
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posted September 21, 2007 12:53 AM
o0 ive got a lot to say about this one! ill post it tomorrow =) im off to bed, gnight! IP: Logged |
libraschoice7 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: the city so nice they named it twice! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2007 12:57 AM
A big YES to this question "Are you self-destructive", as far as the planet Uranus goes I have Uranus trine Ascendant and Jupiter sextile Uranus...but I mostly credit(or blame)my aspects Mars square Pluto and Mars conjunction Ascendant. When ever I think everything is fine and the stumbling blocks to things I want disappear for some reason it feels as though deep down inside I don't truely deserve it(no matter how much I earned it)so something within me somehow messes it up...and starts over. A vicious cycle, and would like to break it.------------------ Sun in Libra Moon in Cancer Jupiter in Cancer Venus in Virgo Mars in Cancer Ascendant in Cancer I "FEEL" therefor I am IP: Logged |
seveneieghtorange unregistered
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posted September 21, 2007 12:58 AM
I have a very strong Pluto and aspects 3 out of 4 of my inner planets as well as aspects my ASC, so yes, I do get the urge to start anew every year (to the point that it has become ridiculous) and completely cut off ties with people with no second thought and no turning back either. I also have had a history with abusing controlled substances such as alcohol, pain killers and sleep inducers that i know if i sink down into it I could probably get lost forever in a sea of drugs and unnecessary escapades. IP: Logged |
EighthMoon Knowflake Posts: 102 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2007 06:48 AM
Hey Jane! I have Uranus Virgo 11th house opposite my Sun/Chiron in the 5th. I bring a whole new level of meaning to attention deficit disorder! (Add to this My MC/Jupiter conjunction. It squares my Venus Aries and trines Uranus/Pluto.) Job...has to have a lot of variety. Can't do the office thing. Relationships...have had a lot of odd and long distance ones. Friends...quite a variety of people and most a little "off beat." The down side...I have a very impulsive nature. Sometimes I just HAVE to have or do something (love that Venus Aries) and then lose interest before it's complete...whatever it may be. I may have an idea of something I'd like to do for someone, but then forget about actually taking the steps! Annoying! I have to constantly monitor myself because I do this in "auto pilot" mode, if that makes sense! Have a great day! th IP: Logged |
belgz unregistered
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posted September 21, 2007 07:55 AM
Well ı have all them thıngs too but ı only have uranus conj jupıter ın 2nd and 3rd. I dont thınk ıts uranus ı thınk thats my gemını moon------------------ ASC: Virgo Sun: Cancer Moon: Gemini Mars: Cancer Mercury: Cancer Venus: Leo IP: Logged |
SexyScorp103 unregistered
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posted September 21, 2007 04:06 PM
I'm defiantely self-destructive. A lot of it comes from my moon i think, which is in Virgo, i have a lot of anxiety and nervous energy/tension. I also have poor self-esteem which i think is becasue of this. My Neptune makes an aspect with every planet in my chart, most of which are negative, so my imagination really corrupts my reality sometimes.. especialyl when it comes to romance, and trying to deal with stress - there is lots of escapism. Mars (in aries) squares my saturn at 0 degree really preventing me from movine forward a lot of the time, especially in career matters (my mars is in the 10 house too). My Uranus also squares my Mars (1 degree), and my Chiron (in Cancer) is in my 12 house, making me push aside my own hurt and pain to try and help others. Usually I think this is a positive aspects but with other aspects in my chart it becomes a fault. IP: Logged |
aquaspryt69 unregistered
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posted September 21, 2007 08:54 PM
Does a bear shiite in the woods? IP: Logged |
librarising Knowflake Posts: 81 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted September 21, 2007 11:35 PM
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xrâräx unregistered
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posted September 22, 2007 02:13 AM
I AM!- sun square pluto 0'... ouch! I feel the urge to destroy and re-create myself very often. Seveneieghtorange you said: "I do get the urge to start anew every year (to the point that it has become ridiculous) and completely cut off ties with people with no second thought and no turning back either" YES!! exactly what happens to me. And also tend to like or do things that are not good for my well being. However, as I'm growing older, I'm learning and trying to be 'conscious' and take care of myself. IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 477 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 22, 2007 05:04 AM
super self destructive. especially when im involved in bad relationships. too much focus on them and empty myself and my life of any possible meaning if im without him or he breaks up w me. no alcool/drugs fortunately. alot of negative thinking too. [sun conj.sat in 8thhouse] shoot me! IP: Logged |
tuxedo meow Newflake Posts: 21 From: gulf coast texas Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 23, 2007 01:27 PM
I am. i evade new relationships and even involvements in things I have tried to get and become available- i act like i am blind when someone shows interest in me sometimes-I open my mouth like a loud shrew once in awhile or confide sad wearisome things periodically to people i scarcely know and they always come back to haunt me-I have 1st house Saturn in Virgo,11th house Uranus in Gemini oppose Sag Moon in 5th house-Big blunt Sag talking out of both sides of my Uranian Gemini face with a Leo Asc roar and Pisces watery emotionalism?IP: Logged |
tbone unregistered
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posted September 25, 2007 01:41 AM
Sun square Pluto Mars opposite Pluto mars opposite Uranus Sun square marsVery ocd..at times. especially when it comes to relationships . Im learning thru the years not to become so dependnt on people in relationships. Its not easy for someone of my emotional nature. OH; im a Cancer/ moon in Pisces.. Venus in leo mars in aries..neptune in sag(fire trine) IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 1277 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted September 25, 2007 03:02 AM
libraschoice - Do you have Mars in your 1st house? Having it placed there (or the other possibilities of the 12th or 2nd) could explain why you focus the energy of your Pluto square inwardly. Maybe you could break this cycle by tricking Pluto, in a way. Instead of sabotaging situations you feel that you don't deserve, you could use Pluto as an energy to continue developing things. For example, let's say you get a promotion that you don't feel you deserve. Instead of destroying that, you could use Pluto to push you to go further, to challenge yourself to earn further success. Same thing with relationships. You could continually challenge yourself to bring a social connection to the next level. That would make the cycle productive. Much harder to do than to say though. What I hope you ultimately feel is that you do deserve all the good in your life. Then Pluto will simply help you remain dynamic.seveneightorange - That's a lot of Pluto action in your chart. Pluto is such a powerful planet. It can make destruction appear seductive. This isn't such a bad thing, as long as it also gives you the strength & guidance to rebuild. 8th Moon - Well, that Uranus-Sun opposition explains a lot! Not that you can tell that much about someone's personality from message board posts, but I always sensed that Uranus energy in you that I don't sense in most Pisces. IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 1277 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted September 25, 2007 03:05 AM
belgz - Thank you for managing to pull yourself away from thinking about sex long enough to reply. I've noticed similar traits in air Moons too. I think that's why many of my friends, particularly my female friends, have an air Moon or strong air elsewhere.SexyScorp - You're dealing with some tough natal aspects. I've heard it said that we choose the moment we're born b/c our soul wants the lessons of that moment. I don't know if you believe that theory, but even if you don't, know that we all have the potential to tap into the strengths of our chart. Neptune can bring disillusionment & confusion, but it can aslo bring a powerful imagination. I think there are few things in life as powerful as imagination. I think it's the source of hope. I know people with hard Mars-Saturn aspects, & like you it seems to play out in the area of life represented by the house their Mars is in. I've seen them make this work for them, instead of against them. They know a courage that most people don't ever have to learn. They've developed an ability to fight for what they want, huge endurance levels. IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 1277 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted September 25, 2007 03:06 AM
Spy - Would some quirt play help you feel better? I find it always cures what ails me.librarising - I'm happy for you. xrarax - Ouch indeed on that exact sun-pluto square. But isn't it such a great feeling when you take hard aspects & make them start working for you instead of against you? in some ways, that process makes me feel like a recovering addict. The pull to use the aspect negatively is so strong & it feels so natural to be that way. But the benefits of resisting are so huge & opens up a whole new life. alia - No, I will not shoot you, but you can join me & Spry in a spanking session, if you like. I've noticed that some people who have Sun in the 8th seem to experience a fear in being completely themselves, in living life on their own terms. They let others guide them too much. Many people with an 8th house sun aren't like this, but I've known a few very well who are. It's like they are hiding or scared of their own identity. Having your Sun conjunct Saturn could exacerbate this. But both of those details can actualy be goldmines of strength. The 8th house can give you a deep self-understanding & inner-strengh. Saturn can give you practicality & endurance. IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 1277 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted September 25, 2007 03:07 AM
tuxedo meow - I can relate to your 1st house Saturn influence. I don't have that placement (mine's in the 11th), but I also delay starting things I really want. Eventually, I think my Uranus gets fed up & throws me in. It seems that happens with you too, with your Uranus-Moon opposition. But I see how the hard aspect shows how the involvement occurs for you in an inappropriate way--confiding too soon to the wrong person. The next time an opportunity for involvement with something or someone you want comes up, instead of going with your Saturn's reaction to avoid involvement, maybe you could conjure up your Uranus-Moon opposition to give you the courage to go for something new.tbone - Yes, I could see how a Cancer Sun receiving a square from Pluto would face the danger of becoming overly dependent in relationships. The fire trine should aid you in maintaining your independence. IP: Logged |
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posted September 25, 2007 07:56 AM
Great topic Jane!I do have a self destruct button - definitely. A lot of people I know have one. I don't press it nearly as often as I used to, but I do "hover" over it a LOT! Going by your descriptions, my path of self destruction has always and will always be the Uranian one. I look back at the past, before I knew diddly squat about astrology and I see now that my entire life has been painted Uranian. And I am in no doubt that it will continue to feature heavily in my life until I leave this earthly plane. To start with, my Sun, Chiron and North Node, all reside in the 11th house. I also have an Aquarius moon. And my Uranus in Sagittarius is unaspected. Oh, and did I forget to mention that my Uranus is also a singleton?! Phew!!! Erraticism, commitment phobia, disappearing acts and bouts of impulsiveness is the name of my game. I've grown out of a lot of this over the years, but the thoughts still pop up a LOT. I guess I'm just used to my Uranian vibe these days - you could say that I'm even a little fond of it! I've lived with it all my life, so I find it more beneficial than detrimental as I grow older because I've learnt to channel the Uranian energy adeptly. I hope to become an expert at it by the time I'm ready to kick the bucket!!! I look back at my younger years and think: "you poor girl - you didn't have a clue what you were doing, did you?!" ;p (Edit to add to: I also had a sh!tload of Uranus transits during my teenage years - what could be worse than an already rebellious teenager having Uranus transits?!) My fiance is Neptunian in his self destruction - he has a Pisces moon. Drink and drugs have featured in his past and he can sometimes put the wrong people on pedestals and view his life through rose-tinted glasses when it's all crumbling down around him - escapism I guess. He's not too bad though and luckily neither am I anymore!!! IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna Newflake Posts: 7 From: The Asylum, NC Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2007 08:06 AM
I have mars square my uranus/saturn conjunction. Now am I self destructive? Well, is the sky blue? It was terrible in the past though...espeically with guys. Its not even a question of them being bad to me, its just somehow I would always find a way to put enough distance between myself and the said guy in question at the time that I would wonder why I don't see him anymore or why we stopped being close...even after things could be perfect. After about the bazillionth time this happened, I figured out that the problem was with me. Luckily, I finally recognized that amd am obviously not that bad anymore. IP: Logged |
taurus/gemini cusp Newflake Posts: From: Registered:
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posted September 25, 2007 08:42 AM
quote: Its not even a question of them being bad to me, its just somehow I would always find a way to put enough distance between myself and the said guy in question at the time that I would wonder why I don't see him anymore or why we stopped being close...even after things could be perfect. After about the bazillionth time this happened, I figured out that the problem was with me. Luckily, I finally recognized that amd am obviously not that bad anymore.
Oh thank God it wasn't just me!!! IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna Newflake Posts: 7 From: The Asylum, NC Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2007 09:18 AM
Well it is great to know I'm not the only one who's been like that. And its happened with alot of guys I've known, whether there was romantic interest or just friendship. I kept asking myself...why?? But I never looked to myself as the problem until a while back when it was happening again.IP: Logged |
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posted September 28, 2007 07:00 PM
Thanks again jane, I really appreciate the fact that you always seem to have my back Thanks for the words of hope and inspiration IP: Logged |