posted October 02, 2007 04:00 PM              

Really interesting discussions you have here..Great to find you all.

I have this issue, hope you can give me an opinion. I know this guy, he's a Sag, he's been flirting with me ever since we met about a year ago. I'm a Scorpio, with Venus in Scorpio, he's a Sag with Venus, Saturn & Pluto in Scorpio conjuncting my Sun (but not my Venus). Other notable synastry aspects:
His Sun & Jupiter conjuncts my Neptune,
His Mars conjuncts my Pluto,
His Moon & Chiron opposing my Venus. Oh, also his Sun squares my Moon.

He - like the good Sag that he is of course lol - has a girlfriend. A Sag girlfriend no less. She's very cute, very fun, very friendly...She's really cool. At the beginning - when I still had no clue he had a girlfriend - I was responding to his flirting. Ever since I found out about her, I'm very cold towards him. The thing is, he won't stop. He still is - very openly too - watching me, smiling to me, tries to make small talk with me, and when that doesn't work, he does his best to annoy me (which works like a charm..ugh!). I don't get it. Here I am this cold b****, and he still seems very interested. Most guys would just wright me off for doing much less. Never met one who was still into me after I became so annoying.

So I'm thinking, could this attention that he's giving me be based on real feelings? Or is he just in it for the chase? OK so a Sag with his Venus in Scorpio is not exactly as shallow as your regular Sag, but still, this behaviour..What do you make of it?

posted October 02, 2007 04:48 PM              

I am myself a Sagittarian with a Scorpion Venus and Mars.

posted October 02, 2007 10:55 PM            

Just avoid him whenever possible. He has a girlfriend, so it's best not to get involved with him. Scorpio venus or not, this guy is a player and is only interested in seeing how many women he can conquer. Continue to be cold to him and if he still doesn't stop, then bluntly tell him that you can't see him anymore since he has a girlfriend and you can't respect someone who cheats.

posted October 03, 2007 07:10 AM              

I was pretty mad at him when I first found out about his girl, and it was easier then for me to completely ignore him. I hadn't seen him in a few months, and then all of a sudden he appears again, confusing me. I'm not even sure if I want him for myself. I just hate to be considered someone that he thinks he can toy with.

posted October 03, 2007 08:25 AM              

Unfortunately, yours has a girlfriend. Enough said.

posted October 03, 2007 04:30 PM            

You say that there is a Pluto-Mars conjunction between you. Well, that is an incredible sexual chemistry like no other. It can also be a violent chemistry depending on the people involved, but there is definitely a very deep passion here.

The fact that he has Pluto and Saturn conjunct your Sun is like an intense glue and a MAJOR POWER STRUGGLE. He may be enjoying the power struggle. If this is something that you really don't want, my suggestion is to RUN, DON'T WALK!! Run away from this guy. That Pluto-Saturn on your Sun is some kind of karma of the highest order. You two definitely know each other from past lives and unfortunately because it's his Pluto and Saturn, he is the teacher this time around. Sagittarius' is the higher education teacher of the zodiac.

Not much else to say without the actual charts.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted October 04, 2007 05:02 AM              

In response to your dilemma posted...

I am a Sagittarius with Venus in Scorpio.

Here's my opinion for what it's worth:
I completely disagree with the post just above.

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he's probably not in love yet, if he was, he wouldn't even consider flirting or any of the sort. V in Scorpio are amazingly rigid when it comes to relationships, do not mess with them.

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He however, most likely is only being playful, friendly, and flirty -not trying to cheat at all. Having these aspects as you've noted triggers intense powerful energies between you two. You being a Scorpio recognise these as romantic or sexual in nature. He most likely does not.

I agree with Geocosmic Valentine in that you should RUN, not walk if this makes you uncomfortable. Though I see this as a FORTUNATELY he is the teacher this time round. You can learn alot from this guy.
He will easily be tolorant of any shortcoming you may have. He will be honest at all costs. He will help you recognise dedication, loyalty, over-reaction, displaced jealousy, etc. He will also teach you to be more outgoing, less secretive and less vindictive. The list goes on for miles!
He could very likely be your BEST lifetime friend! Who knows... In the future he could become available and also desire more?
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Again, Welcome to the Forums

posted October 04, 2007 02:19 PM              

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You say that there is a Pluto-Mars conjunction between you. Well, that is an incredible sexual chemistry like no other. It can also be a violent chemistry depending on the people involved, but there is definitely a very deep passion here.

The fact that he has Pluto and Saturn conjunct your Sun is like an intense glue and a MAJOR POWER STRUGGLE. He may be enjoying the power struggle. If this is something that you really don't want, my suggestion is to RUN, DON'T WALK!! Run away from this guy. That Pluto-Saturn on your Sun is some kind of karma of the highest order. You two definitely know each other from past lives and unfortunately because it's his Pluto and Saturn, he is the teacher this time around. Sagittarius' is the higher education teacher of the zodiac.

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I believe that you're very close to the truth Valentine. It does feel like this is what's going on. He seems like he's enjoying this too much, while I'm the one who feels awkward and guilty. He has the upper hand in this, and as much as I try to fight him off, ignore him, he always seems to be winning.

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I suppose maturity does play a large part in security however. Most likely if this guy is late twenties or above he is sincere with his feelings towards his girlfriend, secure enough in his relationship, comfortable with natural flirting, and not being disrespectful at all towards his girlfriend [notably also a Saggie] Honesty is a marked trait with these guys. Because of this no outsiders can interfere with this bond.

He however, most likely is only being playful, friendly, and flirty -not trying to cheat at all. Having these aspects as you've noted triggers intense powerful energies between you two. You being a Scorpio recognise these as romantic or sexual in nature. He most likely does not.

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I get what you're saying. I do believe that he doesn't intent to cheat on her.
We both have very different temperaments, which is why this is so confusing to me. I flirt only if I'm really into someone, he flirts for the sake of flirting. It doesn't mean that he's actually looking to have anything with me. He likes me, but he stops at that.
What I don't understand is why would he want to flirt with someone that's obviously not responding in the same manner? With someone that shows that she's uncomfortable if not annoyed by it? Wouldn't it be more fun for him to flirt with somebody who was as open-minded and casual about it as he is? So I must return to the conclusion that he enjoys to make me feel uncomfortable, and weird around him. And that can never be good.

posted October 04, 2007 03:43 PM            

I think he does it because as much as you think you are not responding to him, you probably are. Another thing you mentioned that I didn't quite notice before is that his Sun-Jupiter conjunction is also conjunct your Neptune. That's an amazing spiritual connection as well, there is probably some kind of psychic telepathy where he can feel you thinking. My ex-boyfriend and I have Sun conjunct Neptune and we were always singing the Twilight Zone theme song and sound effects because one of us would start talking about a subject the other was just thinking of.

We did this more than usual. With Jupiter and Neptune together, there is a huge ever expanding, helium fueled, oil spill, misty fog, perfume filled spiritual connection. My thought is that as much as you physically turn away from this man, he already knows that you're attracted to him in some way, your aura probably screams it out. Neptune can also be deception and seduction, so it might make him feel like he can flirt with you on the side without being noticed.

Here's a suggestion, if you feel safe doing this. There's nothing like clear communication. With words, tell him that this makes you feel uncomfortable and unsafe. It also feels disrespectful and insulting for him to continue flirting with you while he has a girlfriend. It goes against your value system and you would like for him to stop.

Be a broken record with this information. You will either find his behavior changing or he'll break up with his girlfriend and pursue you properly. There is an incredibly strong connection with that Sun conjunct his Pluto-Saturn conjunction. This guy is already quite powerful with that conjunction there, I'd say he's got an iron will. Boy would I like to see his whole chart.

I hope everything goes well for you, remember, no matter how powerful he is, you have free will.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted October 04, 2007 04:13 PM              

Good luck to you!!!

posted October 05, 2007 07:19 AM              

I definetely enjoyed reading your description of that Neptune/Sun conjunction in synastry Valentine. It was yummy.
I'd like to try the direct approach myself, if I'm ever given the chance(we're always around other people, so it's a bit difficult to talk to him like that).

Anyway I have the links to our charts, if you want to have a look (he doesn't a have a Saturn-Pluto conjunction btw, they're just both in Scorpio. My Sun is sort of the midpoint of his Saturn/Venus with Pluto).

his chart: http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003695395275881685

my chart: http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003675573051411844

synastry: http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003627283732038442

posted October 05, 2007 09:23 AM              

According to Vedic Astrology usually the 1st and 2nd decanate venus Scorpio from the western charts as we know them are shy and retiring and show their feelings by subtle seduction and through slow charm.This correllates with the sign of Libran and here venus endows these Scorpios with charisma and physical beauty. The 3rd decanate, in terms of westrn astrology, may be more vivacious and outlandish as it correlates with the first degrees of Scorpio in the Vedic chart.Here the affections are driven by the Mars energy of Aries(allso a co-ruler of scorpio lest we forget) and is most concentrated towards physical/sexual and ego gratification.

If you reject him, he may not recover quickly from that rejection and may seek revenge.He is lustful and dangerous but allso strangely exciting to the opposite sex.He knows where his affections lies and seldom does things out of "confused feelings".

posted October 05, 2007 01:37 PM            

Thank you for providing the charts. Your planets are stimulating all of the planets that rule his most romantic houses. And the biggest bell that’s ringing is that Pluto-Mars conjunction between you both. It’s a big bell because his Mars rules his 7th house of relationships. Pluto is incredibly powerful and I can almost guarantee you that he feels that you SHOULD be his partner. Also, this happens in his 12th house of secrets and hidden issues. Also, it’s in Libra, the sign of relationships. Can you say, “DING DONG, DING DONG!” I don’t know how his current girlfriend’s planets affect him, but this is how you are affecting him.

Your Moon squares his Sun. For now, forget that the square is a tense aspect and just focus on the fact that there is contact at all between 2 of the most important planets in a synastry chart. The square is a powerful relationship stimulator, not always fun, but it’s a connection.

The conjunction between his Sun and your Neptune is pretty wide, I don’t think I’ll count it, and he has that aspect for himself as it is, but your Neptune still conjuncts his Jupiter, you still have that spiritual connection.

Although he doesn’t have a conjunction between his Pluto and Saturn, both of those planets and his Venus still conjunct your Sun. There is a karmic connection here and he definitely feels it. You may feel it, too. Still the power struggle as well.

I’m still thinking about the Venus-Saturn conjunction is his chart. It’s throwing me off a little. Venus rules his ASC (1st house) and because it is conjunct Saturn, that can affect his health and his presentation to the world. He may be very serious about relationships or his presentation, but he may also not trust himself or others in relationship. Does he have some kind of artistic skill that he doesn’t brag about or doesn’t think he’s good at? It’s got something to do with his Mom, there’s no way to know without a conversation with him. He may also be involved with financing or some sort, accounting maybe.

Your Pluto sextiles his Neptune which rules his 5th house of love given, romance and sexuality; and sextiles his Sun, Sun sextile Pluto can also have some sexual attraction attached to it, it keeps people interested in one another and wondering why they fascinate each other.

Your Pluto squares his Mercury. Mercury rules his 8th house, which also rules sexuality. His Mercury also rules his 12th house of hidden issues. Your Venus opposes his Moon which already resides in his 8th house of sexuality. His Moon is exalted in Taurus so there is a lot of additional sensuality that you bring to the table for him.

I can see why you say that he is always around people when you’re around. People who have conjunctions of Sun-Neptune can often people very codependent and lots people just come in and out of their field and they don't draw very good boundaries with people, they are constantly flowing in and out of his realm so to speak. The Sun-Jupiter conjunction in his 2nd house can suggest that he’s a positive and mostly happy person, a high probability of wealth. With Neptune next to his Sun, there’s a high probability of substance abuse, but once again, it always depends on the person and confirmation through conversation.

One last thing. It’s always a little suspect when someone gives you a birth time that is right on the hour. For someone who doesn’t know that it’s important for the birth time to be exact, they will usually just round it off. I suspect that he was born a few minutes after 2:00 AM. From your description, he seems to behave more like a person who is a Scorpio rising with the 5th house in Aquarius. When the 5th house is in Aquarius, you get someone who can’t quite settle down to one partner, think Clinton, JFK, although they were both Libra rising, the location of their birth determines the other houses. They were both born on the East Coast of the U.S., I don’t have the birth place of this Sagittarius we’re looking at, but if the time is right, then here is my interpretation.

BAM!!! I just hit the wall. (Exhale ssssssssssssssssssss-----------).

Please let me know if any of this sounds correct. Also, since there are always people around when he flirts with you, if you are really not interested in him, slip him a note with whatever you wish to communicate to him. Have several notes ready if he doesn’t take no for an answer the first time, if no is what you really want.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted October 05, 2007 10:16 PM            

He is a Sag.
If he is anything like the average Sag,
he is highly gregarious, extraverted,
smiley, playful, jocular,
and almost annoyingly friendly.

Maybe you are reading into it too much?
Maybe he's not flirting at all.
Or not entirely conscious of flirting.

Maybe he is that nice to everyone.
I've heard of girls being disappointed
to learn that a Sag boy who was so nice to them
turned out to be just as nice to everybody else.

If his Moon is in Taurus, its probable that
he is naturally pleasant and affectionate.

If his Mars is in Libra,
probably he is a natural flirt,
especially with new people.

He may just be naturally affectionate,
and may just enjoy sharing affection.
He may be surprised when it is taken for something more.

Many things are possible.

Welcome, btw.

hsc
Scorpio Sun/Venus/MC/Uranus
Capricorn Ascendant
Aquarius Moon
Mars/Merc in Sag

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posted October 06, 2007 06:37 AM              

I only hope I get as good at this one day as you are. I can't thank you enough!

First of all, about his birth data. I didn't exactly ask him...I sort of have -or used to have at least- access to medical files What can I say, you're not a Scorpio unless you do a little detective work for someone you're interested in. We can't be sure that the birth time is correct but his 5th house in Aquarius definetely suits him, since an old girlfriend of his is an Aquarius (don't ask..I live in a small town, everyone knows everything lol). Not to mention his current one who I know has an Aqua Venus. If the 5th rules love affairs then it seems very appropriate.
This is his chart edited with asc. in Scorpio. http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/28871/2006137593400866652_rs.jpg

posted October 06, 2007 03:18 PM            

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I guess what I'm saying here is that if he felt like what he was doing was nothing to be taken seriously then he shouldn't have felt so guilty.

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When did he feel guilty?

You saw a look of discomfort on his face,
when you met his girl.
Could be anything.

He is more open with you when others are around.
This doesnt suggest guilt to me.
I think its natural that he would be
more concerned about giving you the wrong idea
if the two of you were alone.

The chart you posted has Pisces on the 5th house, not Aqua.

I dont think there is cause to believe he has a 5th house Aqua,
just because he dated an Aqua, etc.
Many things can point to that,
and sometimes nothing points to it,
and it is not the Aqua that he is attracted to in her,
but the signs of her Ascendant or Moon, etc.

I've dated an Aqua girl.
Most guys have.
Maybe it was my Aqua Moon,
maybe it was Uranus/Venus,
or maybe it was something else.
But it definitely wasnt Aqua in my 5th house.
Aqua is in my 1st.

posted October 06, 2007 11:05 PM            

You gave me such a good laugh when I read your last post. I laughed because I've been in your situation to see records I wasn't supposed to have in order to get birth data. I'll give you the Guilt Free Grin Award

I think you are old enough and smart enough to know when someone is flirting with you and not "accidentally". Even I've been in situation where a man is flirting with me inappropriately or just being plain provocative with me when he is clearly committed to someone else.

Also, I think I would trust that birth time if you found it on something like his medical records or birth records, that's usually pretty accurate. Even without rectifying his chart, he's got enough connections with you to justify that he desires you and wants to intentionally flirt with you. Has he ever flirted with you in front of his girlfriend while she was looking? If he doesn't flirt with you in front of her, that's a pretty good sign that he's intentionally doing it when she's not around. Anyway, I just hope all goes well whatever happens.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted October 12, 2007 12:56 PM              

Like most men in general, they won't leave a good thing unless something else has been established with someone better!

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L.Monroe

posted October 13, 2007 02:57 PM              

Moon/Moon Conjunction
Sun/Sun Conjunction
His Moon her Venus Trine
His Sun Her Neptune Conjunction
Her Mercury his Jupiter Conjunction
Her Jupiter conjunction His Pluto (they're gonna make money together too grrr )

They've also got some interesting squares, her Venus with his Pluto (no kidding), and her Mars squaring his Sun and Neptune. That Saturn/Mars conjunction can't be easy either. Nevertheless. It's a good chart I think.

posted October 13, 2007 03:20 PM            

Oh sweety, (LOL!!). I'm laughing with you not at you. Unfortunately, I think I was right that he has grabbed you with his eeeVIL Pluto and Saturn imprisoning your Venus. GRRRR!!! Believe me, I've played the synastry obsession game and, well...I don't know what to say. I can give you some information as we wallow in the unhealthy waters of obsession (LLLOLL!! again).

Well, what I don't like about their synastry is that her Mars squares his Sun-Neptune conjunction. There is uncomfortable competition between them, and her Mars completely irritates his Neptune. Neptune retreats and broods when Mars fires up the blow torch at him. That Neptune-Mars square between them can also suggest - TAH DAH!! Sexual deception, which is how this whole thread got started, isn't it? His flirting with someone else, namely you.

That Saturn-Mars conjunction they have can throw off their sexual timing and just plain shut it all down. (Oh, my Scorpio Stalker friend...you've got me laughing at myself now llloll!!! Can you guess what helped ME to learn astrology?? Yes, naughty astro stalking. What can I do, I'm not perfect either.) Back to their chart.

Sure, who cares if they have Moon trine Mars, so what if it's sexual chemistry, that stuff burns off after a while, especially when your girlfriend is raging at you all the time. And it's her Saturn on his Mars so she's the one putting the clamp down on his sexual expression. The other thing is that because he has Mars in Virgo, it gives him a kind of passionate chastity so it doesn't take much for him to shut down his chemistry anyway, let alone when great big giant cold Saturn is sitting on his Mars. She may also depress him around it a little, and I'm only saying that because it's in cerebral Virgo.

Wouldn't that be a mind blower to you if you found out that they don't even have sex, that it's all a front???!!!! Within my clientele I come across this kind of thing all the time. It's not that uncommon. Maybe that's why he can't stay away from you when you're around. You set his soul on fire.

Oh, I'm a naughty, naughty astrologer, fueling the obsessive fires, and I shouldn't be, but you know, it's all a learning experience and you'll figure out something or do nothing but be entertained by it.

Her planets don't affect his Venus at all. I think he enjoys her sweetness and they enjoy their sweet comfortable united front, just like JFK and Jackie, but he was with everyone else but her after the kids were born, you catch my drift??

Alright, the naughty astrologer must put away her naughty planets, but let me know if you enjoyed your (I can't stop giggling and laughing, I'm having naughty fun!!!) forbidden consultation.

Some healer I turned out to be, huh?

Geocosmic Valentine

P.S. His Mars rules his 7th house of partnerships and with her Saturn on his Mars like that, she could feel like a literal ball and chain to him or he may not like the repressive feeling of her blocking his energetic communication and presentation to the public. It could either keep them together as partners or he will have to strenously push her away, but you are correct that it is one of worst aspects a couple can have. She kills his energy. Who needs that?!

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"Everybody is a star!"