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SagSun
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posted October 07, 2007 05:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone of you have any experiences with the Porphyry house system???

I started learning astrology using Placidus. Then, after trying Equal for a short time, I switched to Koch (which seemed to describe my personality more accurately) only to switch back to Placidus. I still don't feel comfortable using Placidus, though, because it produces a rather large 1st/7th and 6th/12th house while the 3rd/9th and 4th/10th house seem too small. So I tried out the other house systems they offer at Astro.com. Out of all those systems only Porphyry and Krusinski look promising to me. But the Krusinski house system is too modern for my taste. Hence I was thinking about using Porphyry, but I couldn't find any reports on its accuracy on the internet.

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Node
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posted October 07, 2007 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, your experimentation sounds quite similar to my own. Except that I have never gone back to Placidus. Uranian Astrologers like Koch and Meridian house systems. My interest in that [Uranian study] made me appreciate both. I like Meridian. why? well the short answer [for now] is the placement of the angles inside the chart
    Porphyry? I like it too. Planets in close proximity to the angles seem to be in the proper House.
But so far my experimentation has pulled @ Koch and Meridian. Your question will have me look longer at the Porphyry. Thanks!

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SagSun
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posted October 09, 2007 04:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Betelgeuse
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posted October 09, 2007 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betelgeuse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey

I was hoping people would offer their opinions on the house systems also. I know it is an age-old topic and been covered many times, but it is essentially core astrology, and not enough questions are asked of it.

I guess one of my biggest questions about the house system is in respect to the systems that do not use equal 30 degree segments (The Equal House system). The Zodiac in 'real space' terms uses exact 30 degree separations to distiniguish the twelve signs. Yet some house systems regulate the distribution of the 360 degrees in terms of the position relative to the ecliptic at the place of birth. Most of the houses systems that propose this unequal distribution of house zones are relatively new to Astrology, as it has tried to evolve scientifically and mathematically.

But the thing that bothers me greatly, is the teeny tiny thing called the 'Precession of the Equinoxes'. Anyone who is not aware of this phenomena, it basically means that the background stars no longer match the zodiac. When Ptolemy formulated his rules of astrology almost 2000 years ago, the Vernal Equinox was near the start of the constellation of Aries, so in Ptolemys rules, Aries was given as the sign related to the beginning of Spring. However, as the Earth has moved on its axis in its orbit around the sun, Aries is no longer the sign at the Spring Equinox, Pisces is the sign observed at the beginning of Spring.

I know there have been numerous arguments from renowned astrologers pointing to the fact that the background constellations have nothing to do with astrology, but I find none of them convincing. Mainly because Ptolemy was the man who decided that Aries was associated with the Vernal Equinox. He was just a man making observations in accord with the stars 2000 years ago. In Ptolemys eyes, he may have had no idea that the vernal equinox would shift slowly to Pisces as the millennia passed. So if modern astrologers claim that the current Zodiac has nothing to do with background constellations, then doesnt that defy the founding principles and laws of astrology?

This also makes me question the validity of modern house systems. Each one of the houses is representative of the 12 zodiacal signs, the qualities each house represents are akin to the corresponding sign. We have the zodiac exactly divided into 30 degree segments, yet some house systems follow very different rules. Our place of birth relative to the ecliptic does not influence the constellations. But many house systems are based on the assumption that 'what we cannot see has little effect on us'. (smaller house distribution the further away from the ecliptic) It seems insane to me, and I say that mathematically and intuitively.

Here is one more idea of my own. The beginning of the Vernal Equinox is the time when there is an equal number of daylight and night minutes in a day. In this sense, it is a perfect balancing of light and dark, yin and yang, masculine and feminine. There is the possibility that astrology is actually describing the interplay and dynamic exchange between these two fundamental energies, and has little to do with the constellations at all. This would actually support the claim of astrologers that the Precession of the Ages is irrelevent to modern astrology. However, if this is the case, then most of the important questions in astrology have yet to be asked.

As the Earth orbits the Sun, and the interplay between light and dark occurs, then each of the 12 signs would be effectively describing the story of these energies as they evolve and complete their cycles. So did Ptolemy assign Aries at the vernal equinox because Aries is a sign that symbolises balance of yin and yang, or was he simply observing his ages astronomical nuances? As the Sun crosses the ecliptic, certain solar phenomena dictates life here on Earth. Weather, the seasons, sunspots, peoples moods in accordance to the balancing of night and day etc. If Astrology is really based on the seasons of the Earth rather than constellations, then how do each of the 12 signs relate to Earth according to seasonal changes of yin/yang? Just some questions I thought I would pose to anyone. I would welcome any ideas.

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