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posted October 17, 2007 09:12 AM
  
 To Astro-D [astro.com] for not resting on dried up laurels. They continue to grow, advance, and add to the best all around astrology site on the web. The newest additions are the so called 'minor' or new planets. 
Quaoar, Sedna, etc have been added to the drop down on the extended charts page. Eris, once named was promptly shuffled right back into oblivion, by most of the astrological media. Much discussion read argument...exists between the movers and the shakers in astrology. Resistance is futile. Those that Pooh poohed Chiron now accept and use the Centaur in charts. It is not my argument to place equal significance to say a Neptune placement to a Sedna placement. No contest. For those who are looking for deeper understanding I am posting some primer info. Kim Falconer has also reported applications for the last few years, her website has additional info...I think most KF's are familiar with her...anyway... Q='Quaoar' (pronounced kwah-o-wahr) # 50000 discovered March 15, 2002, by a team headed by astronomer Mike Brown of Caltech University. It takes about 285 years to go around the Sun, and is about 800 miles across (compared to Pluto, which is about 1,200 miles across). It was given the provisional designation 2002 LM60, and then, because the discovery was considered so significant, it was then placed in the permanent minor planet catalogue with the honor of number 50,000 .
As for the name, according to the official naming scheme, it had to be chosen from among gods and goddesses of creation and resurrection; and according to the official Quaoar web page, “The Tongva people (sometimes called the San Gabrielino Native Americans) inhabited the Los Angeles area before the arrival of the Spanish and other European people.” The name 'Quaoar' (pronounced kwah-o-wahr) comes from their creation mythology. In the words of Mark Acuña, Tongva scholar, dancer and tribal elder:
"'Quaoar', the great force of creation, sings and dances the high ones (Deities) into existence. While Quaoar has no form or gender he is usually referred to with the male pronoun. He dances and sings first 'Weywot' who becomes Sky Father; they sing and dance 'Chehooit' Earth Mother into existence. The trio sing 'Tamit' Grandfather Sun to life. As each divine one joins the singing and dancing, the song becomes more complex and the dance more complicated. In turn 'Moar', Grandmother Moon (a very complex deity), 'Pamit' the Goddess of the sea, 'Manit' the Lord of dreams and visions, 'Manisar' the bringer of food and harvests, 'Tukupar Itar' the Sky Coyote (who is also our major hero), and 'Tolmalok' the Goddess of Shishongna (the underworld) join in the singing, dancing and creating. And finally the great seven giants who hold up the worlds are created. The High Ones in turn are aided by 'Eagle, Duck, Bear, and Frog' in a grand earth diving story. Frog brings up soil out of the deep dark sea, and the four animals dance it flat and wide. The 'Gods and Goddesses' then furnish the world 'Tovangar' with hills, mountains, trees, rivers, etc. 'Tobohar' (first man) and 'Pahavit' (first woman) are also part of this great 'Creation song and dance cycle'." Okay, so, what does it mean?
As far as I can tell, it's about family patterns. We have a god who sings and dances the other gods and goddesses into existence. This dance of creation reminds me of how families are created, and the metaphor from the myth is indeed that the gods and goddesses are a family. It does not take a Ph.D. in psychology to see the relationship to the development of the family pattern and how an individual might respond to that. This is certainly a bit of information we need in this day and age, as we are finally starting to become aware of the damage and gifts offered to us by our families.
It immediately reminded me of a therapy process called Integrated Family Systems (IFS), with which I have had very good results, and which I was doing at the time of the discovery.
While you could get family information from the 4th house, the Moon or the sign Cancer (for example), Quaoar seems to offer something different, particularly when you study its aspects carefully. It describes in very specific ways the specifics of how the family pattern has worked into the psyche and the life experience; it reveals something hidden and difficult to see otherwise (as does Chiron, by the way).
I have put Quaoar into just about every chart I've looked at for two years (both those of clients and the charts I used to write the horoscopes), and it always seems to be connected to the psychological history of the family in a way that is useful, obvious and very helpful to the client when considering their different life situations. People who are working on healing their family patterns would do well to place this planet into their charts and see if they can deduce any messages, themes and other information. Space and time don't permit example charts today, but I'll get to one soon.
Currently, Quaoar is right around the middle degrees of Sagittarius.
E. Francis end Q I myself started including 50000 Quaoar in Natal work, event charts, family charts. What Eric says is consistent with what I have found. ~N Mythology: http://www.karmastrology.com/NewPlanets/qmyth.shtml
Main page: http://www.karmastrology.com/quaoar.shtml * While the ephemeris for these bodies has been on the main page for a few years it is nice to have the convenience. IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2007 03:27 PM
let's be practical about this. we still don't know for sure how the 10+ planets work in a chart... and then, there's that detail in the quote about 'Quaoar': it was then placed in the permanent minor planet catalogue with the honor of number 50,000!!! there are 50,0000 planets? who amongst you is willing to work with an astrological chart of 50,000 and all the combos resulting? I'm not! so, how do we choose? who makes the choices? on what grounds? etc. let's focus on what we already know that we don't know. IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2007 04:52 PM
Some of us do. I for one like my cake with a little frosting. But then I'm a practical person.IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2007 05:09 PM
That's when astrology becomes an intuitive art, and you pick the ones you resonate with and feel at the time. When deduce with your mind only it is easy to be overwhelmed at all the options.IP: Logged |
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posted November 01, 2007 01:00 PM
Nessus:[7066] and denial dynamics; raising awareness
It's reasonable to say, as a beginning statement and based on my experience working with these planets for a while, that Nessus addresses the theme of abuse, both psychological and sexual. E. Francis From: planetwaves.net
The orbit of a third centaur, Nessus, runs between just outside Saturn and beyond Neptune towards Pluto and has a period of 124 years. It signifies emotions and psychological urges of which consciousness would be personally liberating and beneficial; self-liberation through the embracing of one's less accepted inwardly burning emotions as a valid component of self; the tendency to interpret the present through the filter of psychological complexes inherited from the past; awareness of the patterns of interaction between people, locations and matter; deep-seated psychological motivations (including vengeance and recompense for and transition from past hurts) for sexual desire and lust; the development of integrity and self-empowerment; levels of personal empowerment or disempowerment conditioned by past experiences with others; illusory promises of salvation whose unveiling is liberating and protecting; and repercussions of treachery and power misuse.
References: Demetra George and Douglas Bloch; Martha Lang-Westcott; M. Kelley Hunter; Bistra Spirieva; Melanie Reinhart Nessus Apr 26, 1993 4 Sco 49 121.8 yrs Sabian= *A massive, rocky shore resists the pounding of the sea. From: www.astronova.nu Nessus has a certain degree of importance in my natal chart. I have used/worked with it for 2 years. When I worked with the discovery date, I was startled to see the degree 4.49..that Nessus has. As I stated above Planets have about 90% more significant weight in charts. Asteroids are generally held by most astrologers to carry 10%. I have found that strict adherence to orb facts, [1+ degrees] limiting to the major aspects of the opposition, conjunction, and staying within a related grouping yield some interesting results. In my case they [asteroids] augment what my planets already show. And in some cases with a darn magnifying glass held up to a mirror. Laughs this is a tad messy  ugh leaving it IP: Logged |
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posted November 01, 2007 01:36 PM
Not adding to the above post anymore...that was difficult to move from works to LL Nessus 7066 is not in the drop down menu. I am including it and some of my research because Nessus moves quicker, and I had accumulated data. 
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