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summerdream
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posted October 21, 2007 06:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He proclaimed his love and proposed to me, all in one night!
He’s a writer, and I fell in love with his books even before we met. We wrote to each other, became friends for the last 3 years, and he loves me all the way but I had no clue. When I had trouble with my exes, I always came to him for consultations and free drinks. He sent me his writings for comments.

I haven’t said yes to his proposal. I think I really love him too, a kind of soul deep connection that I could not find with my previous very kissable crush, which I managed to shake off 2 months ago. But I am still a little in shock and want to calm down first. I’m afraid of breaking such a beautiful relationship, a friendship – soul mate connection. Last night, I looked at our synastry the first time, and was astonished with the amount of connections. I don’t know how to post a picture, so I list the main ones. All connection are less than 3’ orb, if not stated otherwise:

Sun conjunct Venus double whammy (1 tight, one 7’)
Sun - Moon double whammy (1 sextile, conj wide orb)
Sun sextile Mercury double whammy
Moon conjunct Pluto double whammy (exact)
Moon sextile Neptune double whammy (exact)
Mercury - Jupiter double whammy (opp – trine)
Mars - Uranus double whammy (conj – trine)
Saturn - Mercury double whammy (square – opp)
Saturn - Uranus double whammy (square – sext)
Venus - Chiron double whammy (opp - trine)
Venus conjunct Pluto (exact)
Venus sextile Neptune
Uranus sextile Venus

Neptune sextile Mercury
Neptune square Jupiter

Jupiter trine Moon
Jupiter opposite Venus
IC conjunct Pluto / moon (exact)

Neptune conjunct Vertex
Vertex conjunct Mars

Now the ugly ones:

Sun square Neptune (exact)
Saturn square moon
Mars square saturn (also in his natal)
Mercury square mars (also in my natal)
Mars opposite mars
Mars square Jupiter
ASC square mercury
ASC square ASC
Chiron opposite mars / moon
Chiron square jupiter / saturn

Do you think we will last with all those Mars and Saturn, and hell lots of Neptune like that? (we both have a lot Neptune in our natal charts). I'm now worried whatever I do I will lose this precious relationship.

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summerdream
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posted October 21, 2007 06:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our composite look like this:
-Leo Sun conj Leo Venus and Virgo cusp Mercury, all in 1st House and all conj Leo ASC
-This stellium square Neptune which conj IC
-Virgo Moon in 1st House conj Pluto and Uranus in 2nd House
-this stellium sextile Scorpio Neptune and trine Aqua Jupiter in 6th House
-Cancer Mars in 11th House sextile the moon-pluto-uranus stellium and trine Neptune, and square Saturn in 8th House

Nothing in 5th and 7th House except Ceres! Chiron in 8th. Karma and Vertex conj DESC, Juno conj Jupiter.

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Peri
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posted October 21, 2007 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow! go for it if you love him, it is better to feel sorry for what you did than for what you did not do

p.s. amazing double whammies!

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Dulce Luna
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posted October 21, 2007 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd definitely say YES.

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summerdream
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posted October 21, 2007 08:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Peri and Dulce Luna .
There are also many bad ones among our double whammies, is't it?
I continue my astrological study, and discovered something very interesting too: He wrote his 1st love letter/proposal to me exactly on the day that Venus turned direct on top of my Sun and his Venus conjunction.
Amazing, right?

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posted October 21, 2007 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Summer!

I'm happy for you. I have to say one thing though, which is not astrologically based. If you weren't sure and you said that you THINK you love him too...I'd wait as long as it takes for you to be sure. You shouldn't jump into a commitment like marriage based on that and the idea that you're afraid of losing him.

Don't say "I do" unless you are completely sure that's what you want and 200% sure that you love him and he's the one you want to spend the rest of your life with!

All the best to you whatever you decide!
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Diandra23
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posted October 21, 2007 12:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Im very Happy for you Summerdream!!WHat a romantic History and you have an amazing sinastry and Composite.
If i were you i would also look at the Dracos,since it can show past life conections.

But im also with 8moon...You said you think you love him. If you really love him with your heart and you feel that he feels the same,then only you can know what your heart desires.

Dont mix the way he writes with feeling love - see if you love the man behind the writter

I wish you the great hapiness of your heart

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summerdream
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posted October 21, 2007 12:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Eighthmoon and Diandra for very thoughtful advices. You are right, I have to wait and see the real man under this new light. I asked for time, and he promised to be patient. Right now he is out of the country, and we keep on exchanging these letters full with poetry and beautiful short stories (we did all the time, but now his words are full with so much love). He will come back and we will visit our parents during Christmas.
One thing I know, this relationship is so full of Neptune substance: dreams, idealism (we fully support each other's professions), even fantasies and telepathy. But I'm a Virgoan Moon, so I hope I can keep my head straight.

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Diandra23
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posted October 21, 2007 01:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Im a Virgo Sun but i have my head full of dreams (Neptune in the 3rd).

My relationship also started with a dreamy fantasy and it was love at first sight ( venus s~kuare uranus).

You have the venus/kiron Cinderella Linkage ( they say its the powerfull of them all regarding possible marriages )

The Venus/Pluto is seen as a SM conection and the Venus/Neptune ads that dreamy and romantic tune in the air you might have together.

We also have the Neptune/skuare(9º) but dont be scared of that one.Mostrly they say it has to do qwith deception and we start thinking that one or the other would probable deceive the ther counscioulsy.but its not like that.
The thing is that these relationships starts with almost a mystical air and often both feel they met the one.
The Sun person projects too many qualities on the Neptune ( utopic ) and the Neptune feeling bad about bursting the buble, tries to keep the "perfetc image" by trying to Be and act the best possible,not to hurt the other.
And as nobody is perfect and not able to forever keep that image, the other might feel somehow misleaded.So the best is to be honest and not to put the other in a pedestal

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belgz
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posted October 21, 2007 04:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow i wish i could find that toooooooooooo i noticed that almost all couples whove been together a long time have that saturn mars square or opposition i think its a good thing. Good luck!

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ASC: Virgo

Sun: Cancer
Moon: Gemini
Mars: Cancer
Mercury: Cancer
Venus: Leo

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summerdream
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posted October 21, 2007 07:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you every one.
Diandra, I'm actually worried about Neptune more than Saturn. We have a lot of natal Neptune aspects, both have Venus square Neptune - the divine discontent in love. In composite Neptune square Sun, Venus and Mercury, while it touches all other planets.

In synastry we have Sun square Neptune. I'm the Sun and he is Neptune, but it was me who was put on the pedestal. He calls me his Muse, his Golden Lady (honestly, no soap opera here!) On my part, from the beginning I've been confused about the nature of this relationship. While other times I'm scared of its intensity.

But whatever it will be, I'm so grateful it comes my way!

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Diandra23
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posted October 22, 2007 07:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go for it Summerdream

Azkahlash has a great text about charts that LL said:sth about there´s no bad chart that cant be overcomed by Love and theres no relationship that can be trully happy ( even if it has the best chart) if there isnt love

Hmmm the original is much more better hihihi ( if someone can post it here...) :P

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summerdream
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posted October 23, 2007 06:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks Diandra. I'd like to think that happiness resides in our mind, and is not provided to us from any relationship.
I'm engaging ina discussion with my guy about happiness, buddhism and love. Beautiful letters coming everyday and put me in ectasy. I'll think about my own love in November, when we meet again
By the way I looked for information on Venus-Chiron but cannot find much. What do you mean by Cinderella? Like one can cure and save the other out of (symbolic) dismay and poverty?

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lolamonroe
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posted October 23, 2007 06:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tears come to my eyes...it sounds so beautiful...just enjoy every second

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"...the darkness is coming...do not weep as you have sown what you now shall reap..."

ASC - Virgo
Sun,Mercury,Venus: Aries
Moon: Cancer
Mars: Pisces

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jane
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posted October 25, 2007 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congratulations! I'm with the "go slow" crowd. Here's one way to think of it: if he's already certain that you're the one for him, don't you want to give him that gift in return? When you can match his certainty, commit.

You mentioned that you were concerned about so many Neptune aspects. I think it's good that you have that, since you both have a strong Neptune natally. I have a strong Neptune too, & I really don't think I'd be able to have an honest, long-term relationship with a man who didn't also have a strong Neptune/Pisces influence. I think you know what I mean...we need a certain sweetness b/c at heart we're gentle and sensitive (sshh, don't ruin my badass rep by letting that out ). I could never completely let my guard down or invite someone into who I am if they didn't get me, in that way. So the Neptune aspects you two have just brings that energy into your relationship, & it's someting that you'll both feel very comforted and seduced by. It's fantastic, trust me. My fiance and I have some nasty Neptune squares in our composite (to our Sun-Venus-Mercury conjunction), and that stays under control as long as we remember to communicate. I'm the one who's more guilty of not communicating. It's my damn Mercury in Scorpio, I tell you, carrying on unspoken conversations based off body language & "vibes". I can be dead on, & I can also be dead off, so his down to earth Mercury in Taurus reminds me to bring this communication out into the real world with actual "words", of all things (who'd a thunk it?).
So communicate everything, until he begs for mercy, & things should be fine.

I'm really happy for you, wherever this relationship goes. It sounds like you two have a beautiful connection.

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summerdream
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posted October 25, 2007 07:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow... Jane, you have exactly the same aspects in composite as we do, Neptune square Sun Venus Mercury! Do you have misunderstanding? If you don't mind me nosing, which house does your composite Sun fall in?
we do have misunderstanding now and then, from the different ways we express ourselves verbally. But his letters afterward are always so sweet it literally melt my heart. And as soon as we meet face to face, there's even no need to say sorry.

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posted October 29, 2007 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have our Sun in the 2nd house. How about you two?

We don't have many misunderstandings. We've always had an easy mental rapport. He's my favorite person to talk to. And all that Neptune comes into play in positive ways too...we really can communicate so much with a glance. No one knows me better than he does.

But there have been a few times when this connection completely fell apart and we heard the words but didn't get what the other meant. This hasn't happened too often though, and usually only happens when one of us is angry.

The way Neptune has caused problems for us is when we have hid from issues we didn't want to discuss. Issues we didn't want to discuss either because we didn't see the point (already being certain that we knew what's going on) or because we didn't want to know the answers b/c we feared they weren't what we wanted to hear. This all came to a climax a few years ago when we broke up for 6 months, both thinking we understood what the other wanted but neither of us really did. Now when problems come up, we discuss them right away. And not just major issues, but anything where we're assuming we know what the other thinks or feels about a situation. We verify that our comprehension is accurate. With Neptune involved, you just want to be sure to always verify what's real. I think an out of control Neptune can easily distort comprehension, making things seem better but also making them seem much worse. And the only way to know what's really going on is to talk completely honestly.

This is my own view, but I wouldn't worry too much about squares in the composite. I don't think composites can be interpreted in the same way as a natal chart, where squares = tension, trines = harmony, etc. My opinion is that with a composite, the type of aspect isn't that important; you just want there to be aspects. A square doesn't necessarily indicate problems, it just means that the energies of the planets involved are tied together. Our composite is almost all red at astro.com: squares, conjunctions, oppositions. Looking at that, you'd think we fight all the time and would both have ulcers from the hostility; we actually get along very well and rarely have emotional fights. My time with him is a stress release, not a cause of stress.

Anyway, it's completely normal to have occassional misunderstandings. They're nothing to worry about if you're able to later work through them.

Oh, and you know how you said that after a misunderstanding, there's no need to say sorry when you're together? I know exactly what you mean, and that truly is a beautiful thing, but if you can forgive me giving advice , go ahead and say sorry! You really can never say too much when Neptune is involved. The problems will not come from what is said, but from what is unsaid. So it's good to get into the habit of saying everything important.

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summerdream
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posted October 31, 2007 06:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jane, our sun is in the 1st house, conjunct ascendant. Another good thing is we have very good Sun - Mercury connections in synastry (sextiles) too. You are probably right when you say that the number of aspects is more important than the aspect in composite. I've been studying our chart and my chart with an ex of 4 years back, comparing synastry and composite. I'm going to post some thoughts and questions in a new topic soon.
And by the way, yes, I do say sorry when i admit my mistakes (not so often though ). Still remember the first time i did that, he was sort of surprised and said he never expected me to apologize. Well, Leo Sun plus Aries Mars, no surprise people see me that way! hihi.

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Diandra23
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posted October 31, 2007 07:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From a Neptune person who has also a very neptunian relationship...I definatelly agree and feel the realtity like Jane said - we still are living the phase of the Neptune youve had that years ago hihih - but oh well we´re also in the beginings of it - 1 year and 5 months now - i will remember what youve said about talking the next time i m " not wanting to talk about sth i dont see the point/or feel afraid oh earing" :P

Summerdream I hope you´ll see him soon!- i know very well what "Saudade" is

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posted November 02, 2007 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
summerdream - Harmonious Mercury aspects in synastry + strong Neptune in composite = compassionate love where self-disclosure is comfortable. Neptune can get a bad rap, all that talk about disillusionment, escapism and deception BUT if Neptune is balanced out with honest communication, it, in my experience, gives a strong spiritual connection where the two are very forgiving and accepting of one another. Perfection doesn't exist, but I think Neptune helps me see how my man is perfect for me and perfectly, beautifully himself and that I love who he is even if he occassionally drives me crazy.
I think you two have the astrological makings for a beautiful, close love affair.

Diandra - Neptunians can easily feel disillusioned when we focus too much on an ideal. Once we focus more on appreciating what's real, Neptune grants the sweetest acceptance and compassion. Communication helps us learn what's "real" and we must first learn that before we can appreciate whatever it is.
My most aspected planet is Neptune and Neptune is the most aspected planet in our composite, and this relationship is the one where I finally learned how to stop letting Neptune work against me in intimate relationships (disappointment when my ideals weren't met) and work for me (compassionate love and appreciation for what's real). Little disappointments don't bother me or make me think that this isn't the right person for me. Since you're a Neptunian person in a Neptunian relationship, maybe you will have a similar experience. Or maybe you don't even need to learn that lesson.

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summerdream
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posted November 04, 2007 07:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To Diandra and Jane,
I think if we have high Neptunian energy in our own charts and still manage to learn to fly with Icarus' wings without breaking our neck, or at least keep one foot on the ground, we will live well in a Neptunian relationship. Jane must be so much evolved in this sense than most of us. I truly admire you!
Now the more we communicate the more i feel totally enticed into this relationship (and have to remind myself not to walk blindfolded everyday). I am only getting more and more addicted to his letters, personally addressed or fragments of his writings. And he has only let me down in that way only once or twice. I start wondering, can it go on like this forever? We have too few good saturn connections on personal planets, only conjunct karma and trine NN, totally out of balance with so much Neptune, Uranus and Pluto. Can it be the reason why we are in this dreaming but exciting and somewhat obssesive state for so long?
Another thing i find so strange is the amount of Eros and Valentine connections we have. Our physical contacts were wonderful, but to be honest, his appearance is not the type that turns me on from the first look at all. SO Eros and Valentine is not about love at first sight then?
What do you think?

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posted November 05, 2007 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
summerdream - lol, thank you for your kind words, but it did take a lot of work for me to start using Neptune more positively than negatively in an intimate relationship. With friendships, I didn't have the same problem. Yet for some reason with bf's (Pisces on the 5th?), if I didn't feel a complete meeting of the minds, I'd get disappointed and feel disconnected from him. I had far too high a standard for what counted as a union. Now I just see distance as inevitable and an opportunity to get to know one another better. I'm still disappointed when it happens, but I accept it as a part of relating and I know that my SO is the man I want to be disappointed by for the rest of my life.

Do you have any Saturn aspects in your composite? I think Saturn is very helpful with materializing what Neptune dreams. I use the Karma asteroid, so I consider your Saturn-Karma conjunction in synastry significant. Do either of you have a strong Saturn natally?

I'm not sure what astrological aspects could indicate love at first sight, if by that term you mean a very strong physical attraction, chemistry, and sense of familiarity and significance upon first meeting. Perhaps aspects to the ascendant would be more likely to play out in that way. I did experience how I described love at first sight with my SO back when I met him, and in synastry we have more narrow Asc aspects than anything else. What sort of Eros and Val aspects do you have, to what planets? I think Eros is powerful and can be felt. Perhaps the Eros/Valentine aspects you have are helping you be attracted to him in spite of him not normally being the type you'd be attracted to physically.

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