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aqua inferno
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posted October 21, 2007 01:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
**edited

There are 3 people.

Person A,B and C.

A: has Scorpio Sun
B: has Strongly aspected Pluto
C: has 8th house stellium

*assuming these are the only scorpio influence they each have*

Who will be more Scorpio-like? and in what order

**also

A: has Saggi Moon and Uranus heavily aspected with a 1st house stellium

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Peri
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posted October 21, 2007 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A,B,C

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aqua inferno
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posted October 21, 2007 01:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really? or are you just pulling my leg?

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Peri
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posted October 21, 2007 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol really, the most Scorpio-like will be a Scorp Sun then strongly aspected Pluto and then 8 house; if you asked who would be the strongest in my opinion, I'd say a strongly aspected Pluto person.

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NeptuneLove
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posted October 21, 2007 01:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
B and C

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SexyScorp103
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posted October 21, 2007 02:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thats a really good question I'd also like to know the answer, my sun is in Scorpio as well as my Pluto, both are exactly conjunct and pluto makes some other strong apects in my chart. I did the Walter - Pullen chart though and the moon is actually the strongest in my chart (I have Cancer asc) at 11.2%, with Pluto and the Sun at a close second (9.3% and 9.0% respectively). Scorpio is the strongest sign in my chart but not by much - virgo is a really close second (virgo moon), it is in the 4th house though which is why i guess the moon rules my chart.

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aqua inferno
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posted October 21, 2007 02:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*edit

jumping the gun I'll wait till more people answer

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NeptuneLove
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posted October 21, 2007 02:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for instance...

i have Virgo Sun

a 2nd house stellium ( Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn )

and the Pluto aspects are :

Sun semisquare Pluto
Moon opposition Pluto
Venus square Pluto
Mars conjunct Pluto
Jupiter semisextile Pluto
Uranus semisextile Pluto
Neptune sextile Pluto
NN sextile Pluto
IC conjunct Pluto

but

Uranus in Scorpio only

The Virgo influence is less felt

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posted October 21, 2007 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would tend towards A, C, B, but it might take some observation to see if that's true.

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aqua inferno
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posted October 21, 2007 02:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me add something

A: has Saggi Moon and Uranus heavily aspected with a 1st house stellium

Maybe this makes more sense! Cause I'm trying to figure out the underbelly of astrology...in a clumsy way

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lalalinda
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posted October 21, 2007 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Peri
for the reasons listed
ABC

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CoralFrequency
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posted October 21, 2007 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably person A – because they actually have the sign of Scorpio in their chart.

The 8th house person – would direct their energies in Scorpionic areas. Maybe they’ll become a forensic scientist or something.. but they won’t necessarily have a Scorpionic character.

About a strongly aspected planet – I’m not sure whether that gives the planet more strength. I think unaspected planets, show up as odd balls and draw more attention.. Also, singleton planets (when the planet is the only one - put to work in the area where it stands alone) stand out.

A
C
B

When you said - 'A' has a Saggi moon etc.. All that means to me is that A (apart from having a heavier Scorpionic influence than the others) - also has strong Sagittarian influences.. and much of their energy is directed in Arien (1st house) pursuits.

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ErickaF
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posted October 21, 2007 11:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think ACB too.

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aqua inferno
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posted October 22, 2007 02:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't get it...why so confidant A first?

Surely if that were true we'd all exhibit our Sun more strongly than anything else. Gemini will always act like Gemini. Leos will always act like Leos, Libras like Libras etc etc

It's like if person 1 & 2 have Cancer Moons where

1: has Moon in 1st conj Mercury

while

2: has moon in 12th conj Neptune

Would they both still "act" like Cancer Moons?

Assuming they have the same Sun & ASC (in diff degrees ). I'm trying to understand why so many people don't act like their Sun, or Moon or w/e

I could line up approx 5 close Leos and would find difficulty finding similarities. Some will show more Moon, others more Mars. While my sister is a shy & talkative Leo, my best friend[leo] has Virgo written all over her. My mother acts more like an aries than Libra with her sun conj Mars & SN in Aries. My ex Aries was more Scorpio because of his Moon, my Libra friend screams Sagittarius (ASC)...and only a few Libra traits like indecisive (like my mum). Am I confusing?

I suppose I want to know the hows and whys of astrology, I'm just picking it apart right now.

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posted October 22, 2007 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't say A - because it was the Sun sign.
I said A - because it was the only chart where the sign of Scorpio was actually represented - as a sign. C has planets in the 8th - but those planets are in another sign. B has a strongly aspected Pluto - but none of their planets are actually in Scorpio.

If A had a Moon or Mercury (or any other personal planet) in Scorpio instead of the Sun.. I probably would still say A - would be more Scorpio-like in comparison to the other two. But that’s just an astro-guess.. I don’t know the people.

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I could line up approx 5 close Leos and would find difficulty finding similarities. Some will show more Moon, others more Mars. While my sister is a shy & talkative Leo, my best friend[leo] has Virgo written all over her. My mother acts more like an aries than Libra with her sun conj Mars & SN in Aries. My ex Aries was more Scorpio because of his Moon, my Libra friend screams Sagittarius (ASC)...and only a few Libra traits like indecisive (like my mum). Am I confusing?

I feel the same way, with the people I know. I think I've mentioned it on here before. I don't think there is a general astrological rule for *what* a person will display more. It depends on the individual chart and the individual person. Even twins who have the exact same charts and the same Ascendant - are different people (regardless of similarities).

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if person 1 & 2 have Cancer Moons where

1: has Moon in 1st conj Mercury

while

2: has moon in 12th conj Neptune

Would they both still "act" like Cancer Moons?


The astrological answer: Yes. Because both of their Moons are still in Cancer.. but the Cancerian energy will be expressed differently when merged with the other planets. One will be like Cancer with a Mercury "flavor" and the other will be like Cancer with Neptune "flavor".

The spiritual answer: Not necessarily.. because people are more than their chart.. so they might come across as something else entirely. 9 times out of 10 I do see the Astrological influence with people.. I can pick out some main points in their chart that ring true. But there's always that 10th time.. where I guess the person is beyond this - They are more spiritual or have greater depth and you can't apply astrology as much.

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posted October 22, 2007 04:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. C
2. A
3. B

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posted October 22, 2007 04:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While intitially I would have guessed like SagSun above, I do clearly agree that 8th house stellium would be "powerful" but, we havn't enough information to conclude that this house is being ruled by Scorpio at all.
As in: [what sign is on the cusp?]

So I say A, B, then C

And then, let's go on one step more to say:
I believe A to be even further pronouced with poster having added the Sagittarius moon info... [Sagittarius understands Scorpio energy well and can express it]
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ErickaF
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posted October 22, 2007 11:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
uuhhh...its kind of common sense it would be A first, I mean it is the sign of Scorpio. i mean hello!;-)

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aqua inferno
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posted October 22, 2007 12:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm having difficulty getting my question across.

lets see

I've read some people say eg

_____ has Gemini Sun but gives off Capricorn energy.

Or

_____ is a Virgo but acts like an Aries.

What made the Sun "weaker"

Or _____ has Leo Mars but is shy due to Cappy asc

What made that Mars "weaker"

What decides that a sign or aspect or stellium overshadows what? And why?

Why does that Cappy Sun act like a Gemini?

Why not say "despite strong Gemini, the Cappy sun shows through"

Hope that helps!

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aqua inferno
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posted October 22, 2007 12:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what the hell are you doing here ErickaF? I thought I put you to shame in SU?

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Mama Mia
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posted October 22, 2007 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uh oh Aqua inferno relax relate release...

That Mars in Aries is surfacing..LOL!!!
gotta ignore the ignorant ppl..

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aqua inferno
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posted October 22, 2007 12:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
haha how are you doing babe? hope everything's well

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Mama Mia
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posted October 22, 2007 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, everything is all good, I am trying to keep the Mars in Aries in control, but somebody is always testing a sista, you know..I just have 0 tolerence for the dumb sh1t and with my Merc in the 1st house and this Mars in Aries my tongue is like a dart..LOL!!!


2000 post for me yayyyyyy!!!!

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aqua inferno
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posted October 22, 2007 01:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congrats!!!

We don't suffer fools gladly!

Hey didn't know you rock the Mercury energy! - lethal combo that is

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Mama Mia
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posted October 22, 2007 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know, it scares me somtimes, but you know alot of ppl love me for my directness I say things that most are to afraid to say..Someone told me wow for a Pisces you sure know how to put things out there they did not know that I have that Merc in the 1st house..My Merc is in Aqua so basically I can talk sh1t all night!!! LOL!!!

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