posted October 23, 2007 05:06 PM            

Thanks in advance

Love

posted October 25, 2007 02:37 PM            

Are they male and female?
Same sex?
Business Associates?

And I can read it better if you give the birth data including place of birth and time. That way I can look at it clearly without asteroids and I can see exact measurements of planetary degree numbers. You don't have to give their names, I would just like to know who is male and who is female, then I'd be happy to give you some insight.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted October 25, 2007 03:19 PM            

A is female and her birth info is:

February 13th, 1978, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, 8:50 PM

M is a male and his birth info is:

posted October 26, 2007 10:12 AM              

One´s Valentine conj the other´s IC
oNE ´S Valentine conj the others PF
It seems theres a DW on Venus-AC conj

And also a karma/AC conj and a wide Sun/AC

oNE´S dc falls on the others 1st house

posted October 26, 2007 11:38 AM            

I got the birth data and I'll post later after reviewing the charts.

posted October 26, 2007 12:55 PM            

I'll say at the outset that once you read this, would you please comment on whether I hit any points or not. It's just that this takes a lot of time and it helps if I have some feedback on my work.

These are my opinions on this synastry:

There is a lot of love here and what appears to be past life connections. There are positive aspects as well as difficult measurements here. I see lots and lots of communication energies, positive and negative. My thought is that this couple yaks it up all the time and when they argue, they can clear the room, possibly clear out the whole neighborhood with their arguing, but hopefully they enjoy what I like to call "healthy debate".

There is a tremendous amount of sexual energy, that could be what got them together. But a few of these measurements suggests such combative or attacking energies, depending on who these people are, the darker side of the measurement is that their arguments could become violent.

So as not to worry you, I'll tell you that my parents had this measurement, Pluto conjunct Mars. They did argue a lot and eventually separated and divorced, but there was never any serious domestic violence. When their last few arguments got heated, my mother would push and shove my father who could have done serious damage to her if he had ever retaliated.

However, it's not always as smooth sailing for every couple.

While looking at the chart I was wondering if this couple met at a party because there is lots of entertaining party energy here, and one or both of you may support the other in their career in some type of artistic or aesthetic manner.

There is some suggestion of longevity, but not the kind that you couldn't get out of if you find that the relationship isn't working. These two people will have a profound effect on each other, there is more Plutonic type karmic energy to be worked out than Saturn type karma, Plutonic karma is more profound, more magnified, penetrating, and destructive if it's the darkest side of karma. It can be incredibly controlling.

Lastly, there is one measurement that suggests that the female here makes the male feel slightly unstable, she can wash out his ambition and confuse him about issues of receiving love. She can also be the more combative or sexually controlling. But there's no way of telling unless I had a conversation with him or her.

So, to wrap it up, there are positives and negatives, just like in any relationship, it all depends on the couple and their personal values and how the environment affects them as well.

I didn't include all of the measurements in terms of symbols and planets because you asked me for my opinion, not to identify which symbols were indicating these energies. I can at some point if you need that.

Once again, please let me know what points I hit and what I didn't. Thanks.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted October 26, 2007 03:13 PM            

Thanks so much for your interpretation and thoughts. You too Diandra

The thing is, these two have never met. I know them both and wondered if I should introduce them or not. In looking at their chart myself, I saw a lot of what you mentioned and so although I cannot tell you if you have hit any actual points in terms of their relating (since they've never related) I can tell you that I agree with everything you've said so far in terms of my own chart opinions.

They are very different people, in many ways they are opposites. Alot of the stuff I noticed that seemed to indicate something deep (beyond the Pluto aspects) were based on asteroids and there's no point in delving into asteroids if there isn't a firm inter-planetary foundation.

So thank you for taking the time to look into this

posted October 26, 2007 03:48 PM            

Just before I left for lunch I read your first post correctly and realized that you said, "I wonder if I should introduce them." But I had to go out so I couldn't correct it. Now I can really tell you the truth. I don't think I would introduce them mainly because of the Mercury-Saturn aspects. They have the trine but they also have the square. As for minor aspects, which I should leave for last, but I'll just keep it to Mercury, Pluto semi-squares Mercury which is also a tough communication aspect.

Why all this about Mercury? Well, I agree with Lois Rodden who believed that if you don't have good communication, the other stuff doesn't work for long. The communication stuff leads me to the other stuff, but let me first answer your question about her controling him either aggressively or sexually.

She has the Pluto-Mars square in her chart natally. Her Pluto squares his Nodal Axis and her Mars conjuncts the Nodal Axis at the south node. Tense Pluto-Mars aspects can suggest anger issues, sexual aggression issues all depending on which houses they rule, I didn't bother to check out house rulerships this time. But her square affecting his Nodal Axis like that is like Pluto's control and Mars' aggression shooting straight into the main artery of his soul.

The ambition wipe-out/instability/confusion about receiving love is about that Neptune-Saturn opposition. Saturn suggests ambition and stability, Neptune disolves things, softens bones and makes boundaries pourous. It erodes things. Neptune also confuses things. His Saturn rules his 11th house of receiving love. The positive effect could be that it allows love in if he wasn't letting love in before, but with the opposition, it could be in a toxic manner.

I wouldn't introduce these two people based on:

Her Pluto-Mars square = his Nodal Axis
They have Mars square Mars

They have Pluto conjunct Mars - even though this can be tremendous sexual chemistry and they have it in Libra which I don't believe is so harmlful because Mars is in it's fall in Libra, but there are other aspects.

Neptune-Venus square - the feeling of deception causing jealousy or actual deception.

Uranus-Mars square, that's also tremendous sexual chemistry, but it turns to anger like lightening.

Ordinarily Pluto-Uranus conjunctions doesn't scare me because nearly everyone born in the 60's who were in relationships close in age will have some sort of Pluto-Uranus conjunction, but he has the Uranus-Mars conjunction natally and her Pluto comes along and aggravates it even more. My thought is that her very presence will **** him off the majority of the time.

I don't know these two and if they meet, they would probably fall in love and have great sex for a while (Her Venus conjuncts his Ascendant; his Venus conjuncts her Nodal Axis) but they might find themselves wondering why they got all bruised up in the process of trying to love each other.

Did you get some of these things, too.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted October 27, 2007 05:54 PM            

I definitely think the Mars square Mars is an issue, for sure. As well as the Venus square Neptune.

The Neptune/Saturn opposition is joined by a Neptune/Saturn square, so there's a double whammy in that case. Also, his Neptune squares her Sun and her Neptune squares his Moon so... I never like Neptune squares.

I suppose I intuitively felt that it might be possible that they could help one another in a somewhat healing way (Her Chiron in his second house and his Chiron in her 7th) This was an idea based on what I know about both of them, however. And then all the super-intense aspects made me think that perhaps it might happen even though there are so many clear reasons for it not to...they're both very intense, sexual people.

<<<<< Her Pluto-Mars square = his Nodal Axis >>>> This never occured to me, so thanks for that insight. How does that work exactly? His Node and her Mars are squaring her Pluto and his Mars/Uranus conjunction?

I think I got caught up in the middle of intuition, logic and astrology and after a while I couldn't tell what was what.

If they happen to meet one day then I guess I'll see what happens. I have told him about her but she knows nothing about him.

Also, just out of curiosity, what is your take on quincunxes? I have read so much about their hard/karmic influence and yet I have also read elsewhere that they are not as challenging as some people think. I have yet to decide conclusively on their energetic influence.

~ Love

PS - Thanks for all the time you took to look into this. I really appreciate it.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the fact that his Venus conjuncts her N. Node made me sit up and take notice. That's gotta be good, no?

posted October 27, 2007 06:22 PM            

I can't say that I know much about quincunxes other than that they are stressful and active, that they suggests adjustments that need to be made between the energies, but I think you get more immediate information from squares and oppositions. If I get a chart that has no squares or oppositions, like President Clinton, then I use semi-squares and they begin to tell the story very quickly.

But it might "behoooove" me to take a 2nd look at the quincunx because, Neptune quincunx's my Sun with a 2 degree orb. I've got lots of Neptune themes happening in my life the older I get. I'm not liking Neptune so much anymore.

I like to keep my charts as streamlined and as simple as possible. I whole heartedly believe that a few aspects will tell the story of the chart and the rest is mainly echoes. A few strong aspects are enough to get a meaningful discussion happening with a client so as to move on with the consultation and whatever questions they may have about their life, the present situations and projections into the future.

I use the quindecile all the time. The quindecile is the 165 degree aspect. You keep the orb very tight, only 2.5 degrees in either direction, but they are INCREDIBLY STRONG!!!

Have you been studying long? You have strong skills.

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posted October 28, 2007 03:51 AM            

I've actually been trying to pare down my chart viewing lately since I had a two year love affair with asteroids, arabic parts and then Draconic charts. I still love them, but I think I got a little carried away and lost my focus on the basics.

<<<<<< a few aspects will tell the story of the chart and the rest is mainly echoes >>>>

I like this interpretation of chart reading. It's a good thing to keep in mind. I'm all about patterns and I think you're right about this.

How long have I been studying astrology? Pretty ferociously for the past three years but I guess I would say six years all told. Before that, I was really just intuitively trying to understand people and their specific birthdays.

I have found that I have a lot of people who will come in to my life with the same birthday, although usually they are born in different years. For example, one of my closest friends has the same birthday as my two most recent ex-boyfriends. My mother, my brother's fiance and a friend of mine all have the same birthday. My grandmother and two other ex-bf's have the same birthday, etc. etc. It goes on and on.

What about you? It sounds as though you do this professionally! How cool is that? I think of astrology as my one healthy obsession ( ) but I can't imagine ever feeling knowledgeable enough to do it as a career. I feel like I never know enough!

posted October 28, 2007 04:15 AM            

So far, I have noticed my Pluto/Karma asteroid conjunction quindeciling my True Black Moon (1 degree orb). My N. Node quindeciles my Lilith (0 degree orb). My Jupiter quindeciles my Uranus with a 2 degree orb. My Vertex quindeciles my Moon, but with a 3 degree orb.