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GeminiLover75
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posted October 31, 2007 11:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone here experienced Saturn transiting several planets consecutively? I know someone who's a Virgo stellium, and within months Saturn will transit, in turn, these natal planets:

Currently conjunct Venus
Next is Sun
Pluto
Mercury
Moon
Uranus

I won't mention this to him, but I am a bit worried.

I don't know his birth time, but I've taken a guess based on how I see his personality and if I'm correct, this transit will pass through his seventh house.

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Tigerlily
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posted November 01, 2007 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Virgo stellium but I'm not fearful of Saturn's affect on this. I welcome Saturn's help in creating new structures and foundations in my life. Only that which no longer serves falls apart. Saturn reveals the truth and the reality of our lives.

As for difficult transits - I'm in the middle of huge onslaught of hard ones. But I look at tests and challenges as opportunies for growth and evolution...and sometimes, the harder the test and challenge, the more you will grow. I've had a very hard life but I look at it as my soul having chosen to take on a path of accelerated learning, difficult as it may be.

Hard transits provide amazing opportunities for growth.

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 01, 2007 02:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True. The thing I'm concerned about is that in all the years I've known him, he hasn't taken responsibility for several things - especially his own health. He also doesn't take action and do things that need to be done, therefore he finds himself in messes that he has to dig himself out of. And still doesn't seem to have learned those lessons. I've been there to help out and try to motivate him for like 8 years, but next year when these transits are happening I may not be around. I know I can't hold his hand anymore and he SHOULD take responsibility for himself but I will feel bad if I'm not around to at least be supportive... He has that Virgo stomach thing and his health is very concerning to me and other friends, but none of us can motivate him to get healthier. If he finally has a real health crisis, I don't want him to feel alone. Both his parents died young - cancer and heart attack. I know I'm thinking worst case scenario, but still.

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Rev. Alice
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posted November 02, 2007 08:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My congratulations to TigerLily!

Gemini

Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for another is to abandon them--to leave them with the consequences of their own actions or lifestyle.

Compare this to the common habit of doing nothing about a pain until it gets really bad! He may need to "hurt enough" to get busy with his own growth. Your "support" can be enabling him to avoid taking responsibility. See?

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 03, 2007 07:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mmm yes I know... whatever I say never really seems to make a difference anyway though. It just seems like there's a health disaster waiting to happen despite what his friends try to say and do to help, so I suppose what I'm thinking is - if and when something does go wrong, I'll feel bad if after all these years of friendship I'm suddenly not there to be supportive.

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posted November 03, 2007 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you have to look to Saturn in the natal chart as well, how powerful he is in the native's life anyway.

I recently had Saturn conj my natal Uranus in Leo which is in close opposition to my natal stellium of Mars, Merc and Jup in Aqua. I really did not feel it...even in hindsight, I can not say I really felt that Saturn transit, Saturn sits all alone in my chart, in Aqua as well, but far from my stellium and aspects no one. Uranus, however always knocks me for a loop becaue he is very active in my natal chart.

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 03, 2007 06:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm... interesting. I believe he has Saturn in Aries and I don't think it has many aspects to it... *Edit: I just checked and it's all alone on the other side of his chart, making a minor aspect to his sun but that's all.*

Do you think Saturn in Aries would represent the fact that he is very slow to take action on anything? He seems to have an inertia or lack of motivation to do things that have any urgency to them.

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Azalaksh
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posted November 03, 2007 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A (nearly-)unaspected Saturn..... sounds like an innate shortage of structure, foundation and discipline in the life-path, unless triggered into action by transits.....
What a challenge!!

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Lucia23
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posted November 03, 2007 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn hit my stellium (Moon, Saturn, Venus) in the 7th house during my Saturn return.

It's TOUGH, but in the end, it's a good kind of tough--like a good hard workout that makes you healthier, leaner and stronger...or a good hard class that makes you a better scholar. Saturn wants you to improve, and helps you do that.

I've had a much harder time with other kinds of transits (Neptune, anyone?)

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 03, 2007 10:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's pretty accurate, Zala. The thing I don't understand is a Virgo stellium who's tidy but for some reason unhygienic, and never pays attention to their health. Everything is always put off until some vague undetermined time in the future. And although he knows what happened to his parents, he doesn't take any steps to prevent the same things happening to himself. Would that be indicated by the unaspected Saturn?

About transits kicking him into action... I just cast my mind back to his Saturn return. I didn't know him then,but I believe there was a major turning point in his life about then. He was unfairly fired from his job and that's when he embarked on a whole new career. The whole thing involved money, so if my rising sign guess is correct,then his SR would have been in his second house. Career would seem like a 10th house transit though,I that would then potentially turn him into Cancer rising instead of my guess of Pisces rising.Hmm...

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted November 03, 2007 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Owww~! But i learned not to be scared of Saturn. My new fear is Pluto. Lol and being a major planet for me i worry about it royally. it conjuncts my bf's moon in about 2-3 months

Oh my Neptune transits are a paaaain! I was reading about it, and its not so much the transit that was bad it was coming out of it. Im a big fan of rose colored glasses...reality not a big fan of. Ugh. Such a problem when the bubble is burst

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Azalaksh
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posted November 03, 2007 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GL75 ~

Could I see the chart?? If you don't feel comfortable posting it you could email me -- at the Free-For-All forum here, topics-header page, where it says Moderated by Azalaksh and Mirandee, my name is a hyperlink and will open a New Message in your email client.....

One thought: if you're guessing 7th house, Virgo's probably early degrees (thus Pisces also, on the Asc) -- and Uranus could have passed his Asc in the last year or two, upsetting his whole applecart Some astrologers call Uranus "The Great Awakener" -- and with Uranus opposing the mid-Virgo planets now and Saturn conjuncting the early ones, this could be a really confusing time for him. On Dec 20th Saturn goes Rx at 08Vir34, then May 1st 2008 turns D again at 01Vir40, so his early Virgo planet(s) will get 3 hits.....

He's also nearing or has reached the generational Neptune sq Neptune and Uranus opposition.....

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 04, 2007 12:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll post the chart but take his name off it.

Interestingly, it was about 2 1/2 years ago that his life did go through a sudden change and it DID upset his whole applecart... maybe I'm right about the Pisces ASC in that case...

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 04, 2007 01:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the chart I've been using, with a guessed birth time of 6pm.

I also just checked the transits for that life-altering time I mentioned, and at that time transiting Uranus was conjunct this hypothetical/guessed ASC.

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 04, 2007 01:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, I just checked the transits for around the time he got fired from his job and started a new career path - Pluto was conjunct this hypothetical MC... could be just a coincidence that I chose this birth time, but still... Are there any other ways I can try to work it out?

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Azalaksh
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posted November 04, 2007 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GL75 ~

I would not like to be your friend when tPluto squares his Chiron in Pisces (especially if it’s 1st house as you’ve guessed)…..

But tPluto will trine his NN at the same time so that might help transform the path he’s on to a more “healthy” one.

Something you wrote earlier resonated with me –

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He also doesn't take action and do things that need to be done, therefore he finds himself in messes that he has to dig himself out of.
I have Moon in Pisces and that was definitely my M.O. when I was younger…...

Along with the nearly unaspected Saturn AND Sun, there’s no Air in his chart!! From: http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html
Air Absence --
The limited amount of the Air element in your horoscope suggests a need to learn adaptability and the use of the mental functions in a creative manner. You don't emphasize mental activity in your daily life. This is not to say that you aren't intelligent, but just that you don't place a lot of value on the world of ideas and education for education’s sake. Often, a shortage of Air signs signifies an inability to communicate effectively or clearly; you may be somewhat enigmatic and obscure. Sometimes there is a self-consciousness associated with such circumstances, and you may over-compensate by working hard to improve such inclinations. You probably don't enjoy learning unless what you're studying has an immediate and tangible end. A strength of the air-weak chart is generally the enhanced ability to communicate emotionally, physically or psychically. It may be hard for you to stand back, and clearly view an issue in an objective manner. Thus, there is a tendency to have some trouble in the task of planning ahead. You may find yourself wasting a lot of energy on this account. You must make a special effort to communicate clearly and plan very carefully or your advancement will come only through costly trial and error.

And this one’s approaching, along with the opp to his nJupiter…..
Neptune square Neptune: Self-scrutiny
This transit is often a part of the "crisis of middle age," since it occurs when you are about forty-two. During this period you are likely to intensely question your life, your goals and how far you have fulfilled your ideals. Depending upon the results of that evaluation, you may begin to make certain changes. The problem is that this is not the best influence for making well-thought-out changes in your life. There is a great danger that you will go off half-cocked in pursuit of some dream that is unrealizable and not even worth realizing. It is very important to use this period for self-scrutiny, but it is not a good idea to act yet.
If you act too quickly, you will only create severe disturbances in your emotional and domestic life or in your work. You are likely to operate on the basis of partially formed ideas about yourself and your needs. Unfortunately, since you are in your forties, you have probably convinced yourself that you know who and what you are. And perhaps you have known, but the function of this influence is to make you reevaluate who you are, which at this moment you do not know. The best solution is to recognize this situation and simply allow yourself to see the truth, whatever it may be. Give yourself plenty of latitude and have whatever experiences seem necessary. Just don't make any permanent commitments during this time. You don't want to spend the rest of your life with the consequences of ill-considered actions taken under the influence of a passing delusion.
Many of the insights you receive during this period will be real, and many will not be real. Only the passage of time will allow you to determine which are which.

It may sound harsh, but I hope you can give him enough space to learn his health-lessons on his own. I think Rev Alice makes a very good point, and a lot more succinctly than I could have – I can’t do it in 100 words or less
So, perhaps you’ll let me relate a little story: my brother has struggled with substance abuse issues all his life. He had his own tile-setting business, but only worked when he felt like it instead of building up a good clientele and the word-of-mouth referral that could have made him financially successful. He blamed his lack of “success” on others, instead of recognizing that the problem was HIM. My mother always bailed him out, gave him money, even paid for hospitalization when he had to have knee surgery – he was nearly the same age as your friend is now. Then my father passed away and my mother came halfway across the country to live with me – his golden-goose abandoned him. What I hear from people who’ve seen him recently is not good – he’s broke and not in good health at all. Mom doesn’t have any money left, she was just approved for Medicaid. I feel bad for my little brother that I always took care of and watched out for, but he’s a grownup and he HAS to find his own way, walking his own path. If he screws it up, fatally or otherwise, there isn’t anything I can do. I won’t enable him by giving him money, and that’s really the only kind of support he’s looking for.

I hope your friend takes advantage of the energies lined up to affect him….. but some people ONLY learn the hard way

Zala

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 04, 2007 10:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the info, Zala... and for telling me your story. It is really hard to stand by and watch while someone doesn't look after themselves. After I move away, which is pretty much in less than two months' time, I'll probably keep worrying. There are other friends here for him, but not only are they less close to him, one is a sun conjunct Neptune (exact) who always drinks (basically when they drink, they binge drink - both have had issues with drinking too much and too often) and smokes with him, and the other is a really health conscious guy who worries about him BUT happily joins in on the alcohol parties from time to time. I find it annoying that one hand he shakes his head at the fact our friend wasted a huge pay packet on alcohol and smoking, and on the other he can turn around and join in. I'm not against drinking per se, but in some people it's destructive. Not to mention that he bakes himself in the sun until he's red, every summer... prime candidate for skin cancer...

But I guess that even if I was around, there isn't anything I can do to stop him anyway. He has to make his own choices... but he is a special friend so, maybe I should make it clear that if he ever needs to talk to someone I will be there.

Very interesting about the lack of air element, btw. He is very intelligent... completing a PhD... but somehow there is a lack of logic or something in his everyday thinking.

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